Should It Be Illegal For Teachers To Push Their Politics On Their Students?

[Noomi]

^Awesome segue right there. You've gone from teaching to abortion seemingly effortlessly.

The two are inexorably entwined.

You can tell yourself they are.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You can tell yourself they are.

It IS difficult to teach dead babies, even using Outcome Based Education.

 

[Politico]

Because you're a pussy. I have no problem with hearing anyone's positions on anything. I think the problem is why should we have to pay to have teachers indoctrinating our children?

Ah I see. So asking a teacher who spends the entire class not teaching anything on the subject the class was about to do the job my parents taxes pay her to do makes me a pussy. I see what side of the fence you fall on.

 

[squeeze berry]

When I was in school, especially H.S., we had roundtable discussions about abortion or whatever the big issue of the day was, but the teachers rarely tried to tell us that we had to think a certain way. They asked what our opinions were, not tell us what our opinions should be.

And that is the way it still is for all the teachers I know. Let one or two across the whole country get in trouble for this and the people grab pitchforks and torches to go stop the monsters.

I'm sure somewhere there might be a few doctors that recommend soaking warts in stump water in the light of a full moon...few and far between.

what he said ^

 

[onecut39]

I was wondering about this. Why are teachers allowed to take a captive audience (their students) and shove their vices and their political ideology down their throats.

The students really don't have a choice but to sit there and listen to a activist teacher filling their heads full of nonsense. When the kids come home and repeat this to their parents some go nuts. Some sue. Some start home-schooling. Some meekly put up with it because they feel powerless.

When I was in school, especially H.S., we had roundtable discussions about abortion or whatever the big issue of the day was, but the teachers rarely tried to tell us that we had to think a certain way. They asked what our opinions were, not tell us what our opinions should be.

Our kids are constantly being bombarded with nonsense. Listening to the SCOTUS hearings on Obamacare it seems that clarity is rare and common-sense is hard to find.

Can't a teacher who abuses his or her authority be guilty of a crime. Why isn't there a problem with teachers that abuse the trust they have earned to be in charge of our kids for 8 hours a day? If they're screwing up our kids can't we do anything about it?

Part of the problem may be that the teachers know history, especially political history, and the parents do not. I suspect that well over half of the political history spouted on this board is pure political bullshit. Comforting for the poster but inaccurate nevertheless.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Part of the problem may be that the teachers know history, especially political history, and the parents do not. I suspect that well over half of the political history spouted on this board is pure political bullshit. Comforting for the poster but inaccurate nevertheless.

I'd love to put that to the test.

I'd bet that the average elementary and high school teacher knows far less about American history than the average participant in this forum.

 

[squeeze berry]

Part of the problem may be that the teachers know history, especially political history, and the parents do not. I suspect that well over half of the political history spouted on this board is pure political bullshit. Comforting for the poster but inaccurate nevertheless.

I'd love to put that to the test.

I'd bet that the average elementary and high school teacher knows far less about American history than the average participant in this forum.

people on the internet can say whatever they want without proof.

How do you know?

PS

history teachers at least have history degrees. Most people on the internet do not.

 

[Uncensored2008]

people on the internet can say whatever they want without proof.

Okay, and that has WHAT to do with my post?

How do you know?

How do I know that I'd love to test your claim?

Are you on drugs?

PS

history teachers at least have history degrees. Most people on the internet do not.

Really?

Gee, seems to me that most have a Liberal Arts degree and may not know who George Washington was..

But who knows, if you have evidence that high school history teachers have to have a "history degree," I'll look at it.

 

[squeeze berry]

people on the internet can say whatever they want without proof.

Okay, and that has WHAT to do with my post?

How do you know?

How do I know that I'd love to test your claim?

Are you on drugs?

PS

history teachers at least have history degrees. Most people on the internet do not.

Really?

Gee, seems to me that most have a Liberal Arts degree and may not know who George Washington was..

But who knows, if you have evidence that high school history teachers have to have a "history degree," I'll look at it.

how do you get licensed to teach a subject without a degree in that area?

I'll wait for your ill informed answer

 

[chanel]

In NJ they do. HS teachers major in their subject and minor in ed. They also have to pass the Praxis in that discipline.

 

[LoneLaugher]

In New York as well.

I was once certified to teach "Social Studies" in New York. I have a degree in History.

If public schools were, as nutters like to believe, bastions of liberalism.....I might still be doing that for a living.

 

[Uncensored2008]

how do you get licensed to teach a subject without a degree in that area?

So you have no clue at all how teaching works. Fair enough.

My daughter teaches public school.

Here's how it works. She got a degree in liberal studies. After that, she took courses for a California teaching credential and interned at a few schools. The credential was granted. She then applied at a dozen local districts, for the job of "teacher." She was hired by a district to initially teach 7th grade English. After a year, she was moved to 8th grade science.

She doesn't have a degree in English.

She doesn't have a degree in Science.

She has a liberal studies degree and a teaching credential. The district places her where they feel like placing her, because she doesn't have much seniority. If she gets a masters, she gets a raise. But no one gives a fuck about degrees in the subject she's teaching, no one knows what subject she'll teach next year.

On top of this, schools routinely use Howard Zinn as a basis for American history. How could anyone with even a HINT of knowledge about American history peddle revisionist crap like that on children? A teacher who based a class on Zinn's "People's History of the United States" wouldn't know a fucking thing about history after reading it.

How do you

I'll wait for your ill informed answer

I understand you are a partisan, but you're making a fool of yourself.

 

[Uncensored2008]

In NJ they do. HS teachers major in their subject and minor in ed. They also have to pass the Praxis in that discipline.

I still would be willing to bet that the average USMB participant would score higher on a basic test of U.S. History than would the majority of public school teachers.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I doubt it.

 

[Pho_King]

Why don't more conservatives become teachers?
I mean the pay is lousy. You get NO respect. Contard asshats are CONSTANTLY saying you earn too much. You have to think that giving back to your community is at least as important as your own personal wealth. Oh, and you will probably spend a lot of your own money on other people's kids...so you kinda have to be a socialist, by the CON definition.

Oh. THAT'S why there aren't more CONZ in the teaching profession.
So, now you want to even the playing field by saying no proselytizing?
Get your ass into the classroom yourselves or STFU.

When one considers the pay, benefits, hours, and lack of accountability associated with being a teacher, it turns out to be a pretty good gig, especially in this economy.

Funny that you think the answer to the problem of teachers imparting political opinion into their classroom is solved by having a diverse range of political views expressed. For you, the classroom is the right place for political proselytizing, and conservatives just have not caught on. Very telling.

 

[Jackson]

I was wondering about this. Why are teachers allowed to take a captive audience (their students) and shove their vices and their political ideology down their throats.

The students really don't have a choice but to sit there and listen to a activist teacher filling their heads full of nonsense. When the kids come home and repeat this to their parents some go nuts. Some sue. Some start home-schooling. Some meekly put up with it because they feel powerless.

When I was in school, especially H.S., we had roundtable discussions about abortion or whatever the big issue of the day was, but the teachers rarely tried to tell us that we had to think a certain way. They asked what our opinions were, not tell us what our opinions should be.

Our kids are constantly being bombarded with nonsense. Listening to the SCOTUS hearings on Obamacare it seems that clarity is rare and common-sense is hard to find.

Can't a teacher who abuses his or her authority be guilty of a crime. Why isn't there a problem with teachers that abuse the trust they have earned to be in charge of our kids for 8 hours a day? If they're screwing up our kids can't we do anything about it?

It would certainly be unprofessional and the district should take disciplinary measures against it. The teachers should be putting up debates and discussions as you have experienced but not using it for a personal platform for their own agendas.

 

[regent]

If America went vouchers, would that mean anyone can teach anything as long as parents presented their vouchers? If so, I would open a school, but call it an acadamy of course, and run it like a Sears Roebuck giving the parents exactly what they wanted. In one room we would teach the world is flat, in the next room the world is oval, in another room, creationism, in still another evolution and so on. As the head-dean and taker of the vouchers I would agree with everything the parents said or wanted, no conflict there. Parents would be invited to come and aid the teachers adding little educational tidbits here and there. For example, if in the world is flat room a parent wanted to tell the class how the sun gets under the earth to travel from west to east each night that would be ever so helpful. Anyone know how the voucher thing is coming along?

 

[Uncensored2008]

I doubt it.

California is 47th in educational prowess. The teachers I encounter are from California. I ride a train to work and government workers ride free, so there are lots of them. (The rest of us pay $400+ a month, public masters get more than the peasants.)

Most of those I encounter couldn't put a proper English sentence together if their life depended on the act. Maybe the quality of teachers is significantly better in other parts of the country. But I would be astounded if 5% of the teachers I've encountered could name the participants of the War of 1812 and the victor in the conflict.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If America went vouchers, would that mean anyone can teach anything as long as parents presented their vouchers? If so, I would open a school, but call it an acadamy of course, and run it like a Sears Roebuck giving the parents exactly what they wanted. In one room we would teach the world is flat, in the next room the world is oval, in another room, creationism, in still another evolution and so on. As the head-dean and taker of the vouchers I would agree with everything the parents said or wanted, no conflict there. Parents would be invited to come and aid the teachers adding little educational tidbits here and there. For example, if in the world is flat room a parent wanted to tell the class how the sun gets under the earth to travel from west to east each night that would be ever so helpful. Anyone know how the voucher thing is coming along?

Perhaps, but I doubt you would ever get a student.

 

[regent]

I doubt it.

California is 47th in educational prowess. The teachers I encounter are from California. I ride a train to work and government workers ride free, so there are lots of them. (The rest of us pay $400+ a month, public masters get more than the peasants.)

Most of those I encounter couldn't put a proper English sentence together if their life depended on the act. Maybe the quality of teachers is significantly better in other parts of the country. But I would be astounded if 5% of the teachers I've encountered could name the participants of the War of 1812 and the victor in the conflict.

Why don't you ask one or two who won the War of 1812? By the way who did win and what did they win?