Lipush
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Then why are we ruining it?
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But your stomach seems strong enough, Georgie Boy, to post a lot of nonsense. Does it really take big guns for a country or those from that country to lie a lot? Do you really think that if you actually had the money to visit some Muslim country, the leaders would really tell you that those who are non Muslims or Muslims of different sects are shown such tolerance when it comes to matters of religion? Go find some Muslims in your own city (there are plenty of them) and see them lie about the millions and millions of people Muslims have murdered since the inception of Islam. Years ago they didn't even need guns to do that -- their trusty swords did them quite well. Georgie Boy reminds me of those Muslims you see yelling Death to the U.S.My stomach isn't that strong, Hoss.How 'bout Bibi's speech tonight, GP? I knew you would like it.Let's ask Bibi:
"During an interview with Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu in March 2011, Piers Morgan posed a serious question:
MORGAN: Do you have nuclear weapons?
NETANYAHU: Well, we have a longstanding policy that we won’t be the first to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East, and that hasn’t changed.
MORGAN: So you don’t have any?
NETANYAHU: That’s our policy. Not to be the first to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East.
"Despite the word games, it is well known that Israel has been a nuclear weapons power for forty-five years. As several Israeli historians and journalists have revealed, Israel crossed the nuclear threshold on the eve of the Six Day War in May 1967.
"Summarized by Patrick Tyler in his book, A World of Trouble: The White House and the Middle East—from the Cold War to the War on Terror:
“[Prime Minister Levi] Eshkol, according to a number of Israeli sources, secretly ordered the Dimona [nuclear reactor] scientists to assemble two crude nuclear devices. He placed them under the command of Brigadier General Yitzhak Yaakov, the chief of research and development in Israel’s Defense Ministry.
"'One official said the operation was referred to as Spider because the nuclear devices were inelegant contraptions with appendages sticking out. The crude atomic bombs were readied for deployment on trucks that could race to the Egyptian border for detonation in the event Arab forces overwhelmed Israeli defenses.”
http://blogs.cfr.org/zenko/2012/03/05/israels-nuclear-weapons-program-and-lessons-for-iran/
All governments lie, but those with the biggest guns lie best.
Looking back on what they have done since statehood:As we all know, after the terrible Jewish persecution in WWI the allied nations under the hospices of the UN created the state of Israel in the former British mandate of Palestine. With the benefit of hindsight, was this a good idea?
While there is little doubt the terrible plight the Jews experienced in WWII and even before that, but is that enough of a reason to cede land to them? Historically the land had been Jewish, but not for many, many years. I don't think the Jewish people have a better or worse claim on the land than the Egyptians, Turks and other Semetic tribes.
Now of course the question is moot. Isreal exists and it would not be just, nor advantageous to displace them. However, as a thought on alternative historical outcomes, what say you?
Uuhhh, guys?
Any special reason why we're bumbing a thread from 2004?
As we all know, after the terrible Jewish persecution in WWI the allied nations under the hospices of the UN created the state of Israel in the former British mandate of Palestine. With the benefit of hindsight, was this a good idea?
While there is little doubt the terrible plight the Jews experienced in WWII and even before that, but is that enough of a reason to cede land to them? Historically the land had been Jewish, but not for many, many years. I don't think the Jewish people have a better or worse claim on the land than the Egyptians, Turks and other Semetic tribes.
Now of course the question is moot. Isreal exists and it would not be just, nor advantageous to displace them. However, as a thought on alternative historical outcomes, what say you?
(COMMENT)NATO AIR said:Israel's creation created Pandora's box in the already backwards Middle East. In addition, if Israel gets a state, why not the Kurds? the Tibetans? countless other oppressed and margainalized minorities?
I take all the Bible/Koran/Torah stuff with a huge grain of salt so I'm not into "that's their chosen land" or any of the stuff like that, so I guess that's why my view is quite different from that of others.
For me, no, the state of Israel did not deserve to be created. As it is now though, I do believe in and support the state of Israel. I just wish the settler elements would shut up and move out.
I fully understand your position, but then what about Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc.? Did they have a right to be formed? Were we right to sit by as they either exterminated or deported the jews that lived in those lands? Without the formation of Israel, I would say the formation of those predominately Islamic states was wrong too.
It would have been much safer for everyone if the refugees had gone to America, where they were welcome. And, no, the 'Moslems' would not be chasing them here.
He forgot the boatload of Jews that was refused by America and sent back to their deaths.It would have been much safer for everyone if the refugees had gone to America, where they were welcome. And, no, the 'Moslems' would not be chasing them here.
'Welcome'????? Just where are you getting that little fantasy from???
I remember the radio broadcasts at the time and American citizens were devastated by the news. Back in those days, Herr Roosevelt and his government were stifling free speech.He forgot the boatload of Jews that was refused by America and sent back to their deaths.It would have been much safer for everyone if the refugees had gone to America, where they were welcome. And, no, the 'Moslems' would not be chasing them here.
'Welcome'????? Just where are you getting that little fantasy from???
This isn't about "haters", it's about "humans".Luckily, haters like you are not calling the shots, nor are important in everyway.
Israel exists because this is how it should be
Yeah, but this thread is about Israel.anyone who cares for humanity would be APPALLED
by the way arabs treated jews and would APPLAUD
their escape from the SHIT HOLES OF ISLAMIC
OPPRESSION---just as all decent people APPLAUD
the escape of sudanese christians FROM THE
SHIT OF ISLAM -------and, of course---anyone
who cares for humanity would be APPALLED
at the cynical neglect of the muslims for
their bretherern and their MISTREATMENT
OF THEM and their FORCING THEM
INTO PERPETUAL REFUGEE STATUS just
for the sake of and the STINK of
ISLAMIC IMPERIALISM
Learn to read:Hundreds of thousands of jews fled lands in which they
had lived long before the rapist pig, muhummad, of
arabia------was born. WHO MADE MONEY off this
demographic shift? I am fascinated. Hundreds of
thousands of BENGALIS----fled east bengal to west
bengal in 1971----did someone make a fortune out of
that too?. In fact hundreds of thousands of Irish--
fled the British Isles to america-----during a famine---did
someone make a fortune on their backs too?
It is true that Cortez got his filthy paws on the gold
of mexico-----but that was justified by SAINT ISABELLA--
in the name of allah, isa and the rapist pig and the
SPANISH INQUISITION
But they didn't do that now, did they?Learn to read:
"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..."
Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It seems to have worked out well for some...But they didn't do that now, did they?Learn to read:
"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..."
Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(COMMENT)The Allied Powers defeated the Ottoman Empire and then set in motion events that lead to the imposition of a settler-colonial state in Israel circa 1948. Hundreds of thousands of indigenous Palestinians were fled lands they had lived on for generations.
(COMMENT)Since all governments serve the interests of their richest citizens (natural and corporate);
(COMMENT)perhaps elites in the west who have gotten even richer off the misery of Jew and Arab alike in Palestine since 1948 should pay the cost of reparations to their Semitic victims?