the_human_being
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Obama and Hillary have already lost the Middle East. Suck it up folks.
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Obama and Hillary have already lost the Middle East. Suck it up folks.
According to Liberals, it all depends who is President.
Bush went into Iraq and overthrew a brutal dictator that abused, tortured, gassed, and murdered his own people. Despite Liberal politicians not only voting to give Bush the authority to do so they also argued how it HAD to be done. Liberals still attacked Bush for going into Iraq...and still do today, giving liberal politicians a pass on their part in that story.
Obama and Hillary actually allied themselves with Al Qaeida - the same guys who murdered 3k Americans and who had for years hired Jihadists to go to Iraq and Afghanistan to kill American soldiers, dragged the US into the middle of a civil war between the terrorists and the dictator we put in power - a dictator who had begun HELPING US FIGHT TERRORISTS in Northern Africa, and thrust the US into their own personal war - without Congressional approval to do so - to help Al Qaeida take over their own country.
Then there's Syria. A Nation should NEVER go to war or take rash action over / because of a President's EGO...but that is what we have done.
Obama stuck his nose where it did not belong, arrogantly throwing out a 'Red Line' BLUFF to Assad...and Assad called him on it...and Barry backed down in front of the whole world...and then further embarrassed himself by claiming it was the WORLD'S 'Red Line', not his. Obama became obsessed with Syria and ousting Assad to redeem himself. The outcome has been horrific:
- ISIS exploded
- Iraq Invaded
- Thousands and thousands of innocent people butchered...
- More troops on the ground and coming home in body bags...
...all for Barry's EGO and to redeem himself from the Syrian 'Red Line' BS!
If there is no reason for us to have gone into Iraq - with Congressional approval to do so - then there is certainly no reason for us to be involved in Syria without Congressional approval to be fighting a war there.
No all.According to both "liberals" and "conservatives", it all depends who is President.
No all.According to both "liberals" and "conservatives", it all depends who is President.
JFK once said we would stand with any nation who sought FREEDOM. I doubt most modern-day Liberals would agree with him. Bush was basically doing that in Iraq, and most Libs crucified him for it.
Bush had Congressional approval and opinion behind him to take the nation to war. Was it right? Maybe not,, but it was 'legal'.
Hillary and Barry taking us to war in Libya to help Al Qaeida was neither 'right' or 'legal'.
Our involvement in Syria just because of Obama's failed 'Red line' fiasco is neither 'right' nor 'legal.
There is no "Syrian/Russian" genocide. Stop believing western propaganda. Get real.
If she wins the Presidency, Hillary will get us into a war with Libya, Syria, Iran, Russia and China. The draft will have to be reinstated and many lives on all sides will be lost and we will face enormous costs and rationing.
Yes, yes of course, it all breaks down into partisanshit for you.
If she wins the Presidency, Hillary will get us into a war with Libya, Syria, Iran, Russia and China. The draft will have to be reinstated and many lives on all sides will be lost and we will face enormous costs and rationing.
Can I quote you on that? Just as a reminder on your predictive prowess next time you are talking out of your ass again.
No. It's none of our business.
There would be no need to consider intervening if the US had a competent president. A competent president would make a deal with Russia supporting their continued use of their military bases in Syria in return for ending Russia's support for Assad and his allies. Assad would quickly fall and this new spirit of trust between Russia and the US would allow both countries to work together to end the fighting among the rebels and build a new Syria.
Get off it already.Yes, yes of course, it all breaks down into partisanshit for you.
NO, no it doesn't! You completely miss the LEGALITY of it, if not the concept of 'treasonous behavior' as well.
Legality-wise, Democrats GAVE Bush the legal authorization to go to war in Iraq...then suddenly demonized him after getting a partisan case of 'Buyer's Remorse'. It is still a FACT, though, that Bush was authorized by Congress to go to war.
The same can NOT be said for Hillary and Obama and Libya. The TRUTH is Obama did NOT get Congressional approval to go to war because he knew there was NO WAY IN HELL he could make the argument to help Al Qaeida - perpetrators of 9/11/01 - take over Libya! So, he went it on his own...WITHOUT Congressional Authorization to do so.
Like it or not, Bush had the authority to do it. Had Congress NOT have given him permission to do so and he invaded Iraq on his own without such authorization I would be one of the loudest 'MoFos' calling for his impeachment for doing so.
Both Legally and considering who the hell they aligned themselves with and used our military to help WITHOUT Congressional approval to do so, Hillary and Obama should have been / should be held accountable for dragging the US into a personal, unauthorized war - in a civil war - to help Al Qaeida. If it would have been Bush that did so I would be demanding he be held just as accountable.
'MoFo's like YOU, however, have let partisanship rot your damn minds and come up with stupid accusations like this one while completely overlooking the facts and legality ... and hypocrisy ... of situations.
Like it or not, WITH the argument and authorization to do so given to him by Liberals, Bush took the country to war in Iraq...LEGALLY. You can make the argument all day long whether he should have and the ethics behind it, but Libs gave him the power to do so.
And if you look at it legally AND ethically, Hillary and Barry aided Al Qaeida...and ISIS now...- TERRORISTS and Murderers of American troops and civilians - take over their own nation in Libya...WITHOUT making an argument before Congress on why it had to be done and WITHOUT the same Congressional authority to do so that they gave Bush!
But at the end of the day, if you opposed Bush going into Iraq, saying we had no business being there, then you can't possibly argue that Obama was 'right' to do the same thing in Libya WITHOUT the Congressional approval Bush had.
There would be no need to consider intervening if the US had a competent president. A competent president would make a deal with Russia supporting their continued use of their military bases in Syria in return for ending Russia's support for Assad and his allies. Assad would quickly fall and this new spirit of trust between Russia and the US would allow both countries to work together to end the fighting among the rebels and build a new Syria.
However the Russians understand Obama is simply not a man who can make such a deal and with good reason they distrust the Clintons so deeply that there is no possibility of an end to this carnage if Hillary is elected.
Libs scream when a Conservative intervenes...but when it's one of their own there's no problem.There would be no need to consider intervening if the US had a competent president. A competent president would make a deal with Russia supporting their continued use of their military bases in Syria in return for ending Russia's support for Assad and his allies. Assad would quickly fall and this new spirit of trust between Russia and the US would allow both countries to work together to end the fighting among the rebels and build a new Syria.
However the Russians understand Obama is simply not a man who can make such a deal and with good reason they distrust the Clintons so deeply that there is no possibility of an end to this carnage if Hillary is elected.
What do US citizens care what goes on in another sovereign nation? It's none of our business who they select to lead them.
Seriously.
How would you feel if some other nation, say China, was trying to affect who was leading this nation?
You mean the USA/Israeli/Saudi backed attempted regime change in Syria that's set Isis lose and led to Europe being invaded