Seven Core Elements of Anti-Religious Faith... OKA: A-theism.

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    Had a conversation recently; wherein a self-proclaimed atheist made the following positive assertions regarding Atheism.

    I'd be interested in knowing if any of our inhouse heathens can do any better than the advocate of these Core Elements of Atheism did, when I simply asked her to substantiate them.

    It's interesting that when I pointed out that her failure to sustain her own asserted 'would-be atheist facts', provided irrefutable evidence that she was demonstrating profound faith in that which has no logical or factual underpinnings... she damn near lost her mind.

    So be careful kids... this is sound reasoning and for the Humanist, it can be rather disorienting...

    The Seven Core Elements of Atheism... advanced by Bobby, An Atheist:


    1.God is just an idea.

    2.There has NEVER been proof outside of a single book, which was written by men.

    3.Life came about through chemical process combined with temperature and pressure.

    4.There was no Invisible being involved.

    5.Science has more than enough evidence to prove that.

    6.God didn't create us, and he didn't give us rights.

    7.Rights were given to us by MEN who wrote the documents giving us our rights!!


    Again... these were shouted to me, BY AN ATHEIST... and represented as fact.

    She couldn't actually point towards anything factual in support of 'em... and I'm just looking to see if any of you who also claim to be atheists can do so.
     
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    1.God is just an idea.

    That's right.
    you have never seen god
    or spoken to god

    there is NO God.

    god is just made up.


    2.There has NEVER been proof outside of a single book, which was written by men.


    and even THAT book is not evidence.

    how can fairy tales written by ignorant camel jockies be considered "evidence"?


    3.Life came about through chemical process combined with temperature and pressure.

    and you can pprove otherwise?

    show me.....


    4.There was no Invisible being involved.

    and you can prove otherwise?

    show me....



    5.Science has more than enough evidence to prove that.

    science is working on that job.

    science has shown MORE evidence for evolution than YOU can show for creation.

    if you happen to have ANY evidence of god and creation....

    show us.....

    6.God didn't create us, and he didn't give us rights.

    you're are beginning to get it right....

    (carefull your head might explode...you probably find this reality very disorienting)


    7.Rights were given to us by MEN who wrote the documents giving us our rights!!

    well...
    sort of...

    through the ages various people have discussed the topic of human rights

    eventually SOME of them got together and wrote it all down

    there was no god there.

    in fact
    if you check out the constitution and the bill of rights to see who wrote them you will see LOTS of HUMAN NAMEs...but no god.



    "She couldn't actually point towards anything factual in support of 'em... and I'm just looking to see if any of you who also claim to be atheists can do so. "

    I don't need to.
    I have faith!

    I fyou want me to believe in your mythical god YOU can start by showing me proof of gods existance...


    after that you can try to expain to me why god promotes slavery

    and why he is such a vicious jerk who punishes people for ridiculous reasons
     
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    So what was "Nature's God" written there for? Was "Nature's God" another fictional fantasy character that just HAPPENED to be put into the DOI?

    I'm not down with turning us into a fundy country, but come on; don't be so intelectually dishonest as to claim that there was a COMPLETELY secular culture back in the colonial times.
     
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    the CULTURE wasn't necessarily secular.

    but government was and is.
     
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    My athesim is based on non faith, not on faith.
    I have no proof that god exists. It does not take faith to not believe in something that cannot be proven to exist.

    On the other hand those who do believe have faith.
     
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    "So what was "Nature's God" written there for? Was "Nature's God" another fictional fantasy character that just HAPPENED to be put into the DOI? "


    again
    "natures god" was written by the framers.

    there was NO GOD in attendance...at that time...or ever...

    so, yes...........
    "natures god" is fictional fantasy that was put there by people who believe in something that isn't real.




    "I'm not down with turning us into a fundy country, but come on; don't be so intelectually dishonest as to claim that there was a COMPLETELY secular culture back in the colonial times."


    I never said that.
    why do you lie?
    isn't lying against gods commandments?

    are you risking hell by lying like this?
     
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    But they wouldn't have written it into one of our historical founding documents if they didn't believe any being existed or at least possibly could exist.

    Atheism requires at least SOME faith in order to deny the existence of a God-being.

    I like how St. Anselm put it, from his "Ontological Argument":

    "For, it is possible to conceive of a being which cannot be conceived not to exist; and this is greater than one which can be conceived not to exist. Hence, if that, than which nothing greater can be conceived, can be conceived not to exist, it is not that, than which nothing greater can be conceived."

    In English, after deciphering this jargon from my philosophy textbook (I keep my textbooks and don't sell them, sue me), it means that atheism stands on shaky ground. After all, how and why can you conceive of a being which doesn't exist? If He didn't exist, surely the concept wouldn't come up, would it?

    The concept of a monotheistic Supreme God, in all of His majesty and traits that He possesses, has to at least POSSIBLY exist, if books like the Bible which explain His traits and purposes for our lives are kept and preserved for millennia, yes?

    Believe me, not even the biggest scammer can come up with such a structured concept.

    (I'm Protestant but I like some of these Catholic saints' writings.)

    OK, I misrepresented that part. Forgive me for doing such.
     
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    the massachusetts bay colony was a theocracy.
     
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    Is Witch burning secular?
     
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    no reason it can't be.
     

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