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Social security and Medicare, both progressive policies and both very good for the people of this country... the VA, a progressive government program and very good for our vets. Many more out there but we don’t have all night... you should stop with the partisan rhetoricThe bottom line is that left-wing ideology is built on lies and myths.
Asking why a left-winger lies, is like asking why a snake bites.
It's what they do.
Honestly if they didn't lie, they wouldn't be able to rationalize their support for thousands of terrible policies that have never worked in human history.
Social security and Medicare, both progressive policies and both very good for the people of this country... the VA, a progressive government program and very good for our vets. Many more out there but we don’t have all night... you should stop with the partisan rhetoricThe bottom line is that left-wing ideology is built on lies and myths.
Asking why a left-winger lies, is like asking why a snake bites.
It's what they do.
Honestly if they didn't lie, they wouldn't be able to rationalize their support for thousands of terrible policies that have never worked in human history.
I don’t... my mother has both and I help her manage her medical and finances. I agree neither is perfect and both could use improvement on many levels. But let me ask... what if none of those existed? Would your neighbor that you helped out be able to afford care with zero coverage? What would she do?Social security and Medicare, both progressive policies and both very good for the people of this country... the VA, a progressive government program and very good for our vets. Many more out there but we don’t have all night... you should stop with the partisan rhetoricThe bottom line is that left-wing ideology is built on lies and myths.
Asking why a left-winger lies, is like asking why a snake bites.
It's what they do.
Honestly if they didn't lie, they wouldn't be able to rationalize their support for thousands of terrible policies that have never worked in human history.
I have to wonder, do you use any of those government programs? I assure you both social security and medicare are not the panacea you think they are. I had the privilege of assisting my elderly neighbor for many years get to and from the doctor and actually paid for her medication on many occassions because between those two programs and her retirement, she still didn't have enough to cover the cost of her meds. Not to mention she should have easily qualified for home health assistance but had to fight tooth and nail to get it for her.
As for VA. I am retired military. I did 22 plus years active duty and my struggles with the VA have been enormous. Now, that being said, it's nowhere as bad as it was when I first retired but it's still, really damn frustrating when you have to wait 3 weeks to a month to see a specialist because something is wrong.... I say better because it was 6 months to a year. If I didn't have other insurance, Tricare, which I pay for from my retirement, some very bad things would have went down for me shortly after I retired.
So, do you?
With zero coverage and not believing in the false promises of the government will be there to take care of you in your old age? I'd like to believe she would have planned things out better and not had the frustrations she did have. She was a glorious old hag of italian decent, who grew up with the belief that social security would be therefor the elderly and help take care of them. It wasn't enough. She worked 50 someodd years, 30 with Northrup Gruman, and very little to show for it at the end.I don’t... my mother has both and I help her manage her medical and finances. I agree neither is perfect and both could use improvement on many levels. But let me ask... what if none of those existed? Would your neighbor that you helped out be able to afford care with zero coverage? What would she do?Social security and Medicare, both progressive policies and both very good for the people of this country... the VA, a progressive government program and very good for our vets. Many more out there but we don’t have all night... you should stop with the partisan rhetoricThe bottom line is that left-wing ideology is built on lies and myths.
Asking why a left-winger lies, is like asking why a snake bites.
It's what they do.
Honestly if they didn't lie, they wouldn't be able to rationalize their support for thousands of terrible policies that have never worked in human history.
I have to wonder, do you use any of those government programs? I assure you both social security and medicare are not the panacea you think they are. I had the privilege of assisting my elderly neighbor for many years get to and from the doctor and actually paid for her medication on many occassions because between those two programs and her retirement, she still didn't have enough to cover the cost of her meds. Not to mention she should have easily qualified for home health assistance but had to fight tooth and nail to get it for her.
As for VA. I am retired military. I did 22 plus years active duty and my struggles with the VA have been enormous. Now, that being said, it's nowhere as bad as it was when I first retired but it's still, really damn frustrating when you have to wait 3 weeks to a month to see a specialist because something is wrong.... I say better because it was 6 months to a year. If I didn't have other insurance, Tricare, which I pay for from my retirement, some very bad things would have went down for me shortly after I retired.
So, do you?
Aren’t the so called “costal elites” liberals? You think all those Californians and New Yorkers make less than 40k. Really?It's so easy for the libs to lie rather than tell or face the truth. They don't care about the truth. If they did, we wouldn't have a nation of Liars.
One really wonders how many average liberals hold jobs that pay them more than $40K per year. Anyone who makes between $50K and $315K saw their taxes cut by $50 to $500 per month. My taxes were cut by $220 per month. So how could any liberal who makes, say, between $80K and $315K claim, with a straight face, that the Trump tax cuts mainly helped rich and only gave "crumbs" to the middle class," when in fact the middle class had their taxes cut by a much larger rate than did the rich.
Why Do So Many Liberals Keep Lying About the Trump Tax Cuts
Sorry for your loss... but let’s take your theory a step further and say that a percentage of people do as you say and without the safety net decide to do the responsible thing and save for retirement and medical expenses... there is still going to be a percentage that doesn’t, right? That’s millions of people that couldn’t afford or have the discipline to save for their golden years. What happens to these people when they are sick and broke?With zero coverage and not believing in the false promises of the government will be there to take care of you in your old age? I'd like to believe she would have planned things out better and not had the frustrations she did have. She was a glorious old hag of italian decent, who grew up with the belief that social security would be therefor the elderly and help take care of them. It wasn't enough. She worked 50 someodd years, 30 with Northrup Gruman, and very little to show for it at the end.I don’t... my mother has both and I help her manage her medical and finances. I agree neither is perfect and both could use improvement on many levels. But let me ask... what if none of those existed? Would your neighbor that you helped out be able to afford care with zero coverage? What would she do?Social security and Medicare, both progressive policies and both very good for the people of this country... the VA, a progressive government program and very good for our vets. Many more out there but we don’t have all night... you should stop with the partisan rhetoricThe bottom line is that left-wing ideology is built on lies and myths.
Asking why a left-winger lies, is like asking why a snake bites.
It's what they do.
Honestly if they didn't lie, they wouldn't be able to rationalize their support for thousands of terrible policies that have never worked in human history.
I have to wonder, do you use any of those government programs? I assure you both social security and medicare are not the panacea you think they are. I had the privilege of assisting my elderly neighbor for many years get to and from the doctor and actually paid for her medication on many occassions because between those two programs and her retirement, she still didn't have enough to cover the cost of her meds. Not to mention she should have easily qualified for home health assistance but had to fight tooth and nail to get it for her.
As for VA. I am retired military. I did 22 plus years active duty and my struggles with the VA have been enormous. Now, that being said, it's nowhere as bad as it was when I first retired but it's still, really damn frustrating when you have to wait 3 weeks to a month to see a specialist because something is wrong.... I say better because it was 6 months to a year. If I didn't have other insurance, Tricare, which I pay for from my retirement, some very bad things would have went down for me shortly after I retired.
So, do you?
She died last October 2nd, and it was a sad, sad day. I hope she is able to give Francis Perkins a whole earful.
I guess I shouldn't pick on him alone, there have been enough cherry picking bullshit done by bothsides since he devised it to fuck it all up.
I agree that many improvements to these programs can and should be made. But having something there to help sick people is better than nothing, even if that something is broken. We should be putting energy into fixing it and making it better instead of campaigning against it for 8 years only to come up with nothing once power is gained to actually do something. That’s so embarrassing and infuriating about the Republicans. How many times did you hear repeal and replace? Replace with what????? They got nothing! They should have spent all that time trying to lower prices and improve efficiency.Aren’t the so called “costal elites” liberals? You think all those Californians and New Yorkers make less than 40k. Really?It's so easy for the libs to lie rather than tell or face the truth. They don't care about the truth. If they did, we wouldn't have a nation of Liars.
One really wonders how many average liberals hold jobs that pay them more than $40K per year. Anyone who makes between $50K and $315K saw their taxes cut by $50 to $500 per month. My taxes were cut by $220 per month. So how could any liberal who makes, say, between $80K and $315K claim, with a straight face, that the Trump tax cuts mainly helped rich and only gave "crumbs" to the middle class," when in fact the middle class had their taxes cut by a much larger rate than did the rich.
No, of course not, and I didn't say that. My point was rhetorical. I'm saying that given liberal rhetoric about the tax cuts, one would be tempted to think that most liberals earn so little money that they were not affected by the tax cuts, or else one wonders how they can keep lying about them.
Regarding the discussion about Medicare, two points:
One, why do liberals continue to be mute on the fact that Obamacare raided $700 BILLION from Medicare?
Two, Medicare is rife with waste and fraud, and is currently facing at least $20 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities for the next several decades. That's "trillion" with a "T."
Paint me as a bad guy/heartless here all you want, but at some point it either has to be fixed, or it will go bankrupt. I have been one of those people who pushed off preparing for the future. Many a time it was, "ahh, I'll do it later" just to finally realize that later was always just that later. So, I started small and started paying off credit cards, decided I didn't need a new car every 4 to 5 years, paid off those vehicles and started putting that money aside, got my kids into college, and make sure they take the responsibility to do the right thing. I took the responsibility to take care of me and mine. I took care of my own house and those around me. Yes, my taxes go toward those programs, and specifically social security is taken out as well. However, before I go off on a complete tangent, we are all forced (through our paycheck deductions) to participate. Yet the return on investment just doesn't seem to be there. What happens to those that don't prepare? Right here and now, they will get the care the hospitals deem them to warrant per what they can get paid. Whether that be strictly through medicare/caid or if supplemental insurance is involved or if the individual patient can pay out of pocket.Sorry for your loss... but let’s take your theory a step further and say that a percentage of people do as you say and without the safety net decide to do the responsible thing and save for retirement and medical expenses... there is still going to be a percentage that doesn’t, right? That’s millions of people that couldn’t afford or have the discipline to save for their golden years. What happens to these people when they are sick and broke?With zero coverage and not believing in the false promises of the government will be there to take care of you in your old age? I'd like to believe she would have planned things out better and not had the frustrations she did have. She was a glorious old hag of italian decent, who grew up with the belief that social security would be therefor the elderly and help take care of them. It wasn't enough. She worked 50 someodd years, 30 with Northrup Gruman, and very little to show for it at the end.I don’t... my mother has both and I help her manage her medical and finances. I agree neither is perfect and both could use improvement on many levels. But let me ask... what if none of those existed? Would your neighbor that you helped out be able to afford care with zero coverage? What would she do?Social security and Medicare, both progressive policies and both very good for the people of this country... the VA, a progressive government program and very good for our vets. Many more out there but we don’t have all night... you should stop with the partisan rhetoricThe bottom line is that left-wing ideology is built on lies and myths.
Asking why a left-winger lies, is like asking why a snake bites.
It's what they do.
Honestly if they didn't lie, they wouldn't be able to rationalize their support for thousands of terrible policies that have never worked in human history.
I have to wonder, do you use any of those government programs? I assure you both social security and medicare are not the panacea you think they are. I had the privilege of assisting my elderly neighbor for many years get to and from the doctor and actually paid for her medication on many occassions because between those two programs and her retirement, she still didn't have enough to cover the cost of her meds. Not to mention she should have easily qualified for home health assistance but had to fight tooth and nail to get it for her.
As for VA. I am retired military. I did 22 plus years active duty and my struggles with the VA have been enormous. Now, that being said, it's nowhere as bad as it was when I first retired but it's still, really damn frustrating when you have to wait 3 weeks to a month to see a specialist because something is wrong.... I say better because it was 6 months to a year. If I didn't have other insurance, Tricare, which I pay for from my retirement, some very bad things would have went down for me shortly after I retired.
So, do you?
She died last October 2nd, and it was a sad, sad day. I hope she is able to give Francis Perkins a whole earful.
I guess I shouldn't pick on him alone, there have been enough cherry picking bullshit done by bothsides since he devised it to fuck it all up.
So when you double the estate tax waiver rate from 11 mill to 22 mill , that benefited the working class?
The real truth will come on election day.Most liberals continue to claim that the Trump tax cuts were "mainly for millionaires and billionaires," "a giveaway to the uber-rich," etc., etc. But anyone can look at the tax tables and see with their own eyes that the top bracket a much smaller rate cut than did the middle-income brackets. The second and third brackets got a cut of 3 percentage points each, which equaled a 20% rate cut for the second bracket and 12% rate cut for the third bracket. The fourth bracket got a cut of 4 percentage points, or 14%. The top bracket--the one for people who earn $600K and above--got a cut of 2.6 percentage points, or just 6.6%. Don't believe me? Here are the 2017 and 2018 tax tables, which anyone can Google:
2017
Tax Bracket Tax Rate
$0.00+ 10%
$18,650+ 15%
$75,900+ 25%
$153,100+ 28%
$233,350+ 33%
$416,700+ 35%
$470,700+ 39.6%
2018 (under Trump’s tax cuts)
Tax Bracket Tax Rate
$0.00+ 10%
$19,050+ 12%
$77,400+ 22%
$165,000+ 24%
$315,000+ 32%
$400,000+ 35%
$600,000+ 37%
What's more, notice that the fifth bracket got a cut of only 1 percentage point, and that the sixth bracket got no cut at all.
Also, keep in mind that the rich got hit particularly hard by the tax cut bill's $10K cap on state and local taxes (SALT). Someone who owns a house worth, say, $2.0 million, will pay $26K just in property taxes, based on the nationwide median average of 1.3% for property taxes. Someone with an income of, say, $2 million per year will pay $100,000 in state income taxes, and that's assuming a low state income tax rate of 5%. So a rich person who makes $2 million per year and owns a house worth $2 million lost $116,000 in tax breaks because of the Trump tax cuts.
Finally, if any liberals cite the cut in the corporate income tax rate as justification for their false description of the Trump tax cuts as "mainly helping millionaires and billionaires," I would point out two important facts that debunk this nonsense:
One, the corporate income tax rate was cut to 21%, which put it in the range of the corporate income tax rates in Europe and Asia, which range between 18% and 21%. So this was an entirely sensible reduction that put our companies in a better position to compete with foreign companies.
Two, as part of the rate cut from 35% to 21%, the Republicans imposed a one-time mandatory tax on American corporate money parked overseas: 8% on illiquid/reinvested assets and 15.5% on cash and cash equivalents, which amounted to a tax of about $2.6 trillion on U.S. business profits held overseas.
What did people do before social security and medicare? I have no idea, I wasn't there, but I'm willing to bet it was a whole hell of a lot cheaper that what it is now; dollar for adjusted dollar.
We used to be a nation based on self reliance. Then the government stepped in, and we allowed it.
I’m sorry but I just don’t think that answer is good enough. You should research and see what happened to our elderly before social security and Medicare. Understand the effects it had on standard of living and our society. And then really think through what happens to the millions of elderly people who get sick and can’t afford care or didn’t save enough to retire. Think about what happens to those millions of people and how that impacts our nation...Paint me as a bad guy/heartless here all you want, but at some point it either has to be fixed, or it will go bankrupt. I have been one of those people who pushed off preparing for the future. Many a time it was, "ahh, I'll do it later" just to finally realize that later was always just that later. So, I started small and started paying off credit cards, decided I didn't need a new car every 4 to 5 years, paid off those vehicles and started putting that money aside, got my kids into college, and make sure they take the responsibility to do the right thing. I took the responsibility to take care of me and mine. I took care of my own house and those around me. Yes, my taxes go toward those programs, and specifically social security is taken out as well. However, before I go off on a complete tangent, we are all forced (through our paycheck deductions) to participate. Yet the return on investment just doesn't seem to be there. What happens to those that don't prepare? Right here and now, they will get the care the hospitals deem them to warrant per what they can get paid. Whether that be strictly through medicare/caid or if supplemental insurance is involved or if the individual patient can pay out of pocket.Sorry for your loss... but let’s take your theory a step further and say that a percentage of people do as you say and without the safety net decide to do the responsible thing and save for retirement and medical expenses... there is still going to be a percentage that doesn’t, right? That’s millions of people that couldn’t afford or have the discipline to save for their golden years. What happens to these people when they are sick and broke?With zero coverage and not believing in the false promises of the government will be there to take care of you in your old age? I'd like to believe she would have planned things out better and not had the frustrations she did have. She was a glorious old hag of italian decent, who grew up with the belief that social security would be therefor the elderly and help take care of them. It wasn't enough. She worked 50 someodd years, 30 with Northrup Gruman, and very little to show for it at the end.I don’t... my mother has both and I help her manage her medical and finances. I agree neither is perfect and both could use improvement on many levels. But let me ask... what if none of those existed? Would your neighbor that you helped out be able to afford care with zero coverage? What would she do?Social security and Medicare, both progressive policies and both very good for the people of this country... the VA, a progressive government program and very good for our vets. Many more out there but we don’t have all night... you should stop with the partisan rhetoric
I have to wonder, do you use any of those government programs? I assure you both social security and medicare are not the panacea you think they are. I had the privilege of assisting my elderly neighbor for many years get to and from the doctor and actually paid for her medication on many occassions because between those two programs and her retirement, she still didn't have enough to cover the cost of her meds. Not to mention she should have easily qualified for home health assistance but had to fight tooth and nail to get it for her.
As for VA. I am retired military. I did 22 plus years active duty and my struggles with the VA have been enormous. Now, that being said, it's nowhere as bad as it was when I first retired but it's still, really damn frustrating when you have to wait 3 weeks to a month to see a specialist because something is wrong.... I say better because it was 6 months to a year. If I didn't have other insurance, Tricare, which I pay for from my retirement, some very bad things would have went down for me shortly after I retired.
So, do you?
She died last October 2nd, and it was a sad, sad day. I hope she is able to give Francis Perkins a whole earful.
I guess I shouldn't pick on him alone, there have been enough cherry picking bullshit done by bothsides since he devised it to fuck it all up.
What did people do before social security and medicare? I have no idea, I wasn't there, but I'm willing to bet it was a whole hell of a lot cheaper that what it is now; dollar for adjusted dollar.
We used to be a nation based on self reliance. Then the government stepped in, and we allowed it.
Social security and Medicare, both progressive policies and both very good for the people of this country... the VA, a progressive government program and very good for our vets. Many more out there but we don’t have all night... you should stop with the partisan rhetoricThe bottom line is that left-wing ideology is built on lies and myths.
Asking why a left-winger lies, is like asking why a snake bites.
It's what they do.
Honestly if they didn't lie, they wouldn't be able to rationalize their support for thousands of terrible policies that have never worked in human history.
Social security and Medicare, both progressive policies and both very good for the people of this country... the VA, a progressive government program and very good for our vets. Many more out there but we don’t have all night... you should stop with the partisan rhetoricThe bottom line is that left-wing ideology is built on lies and myths.
Asking why a left-winger lies, is like asking why a snake bites.
It's what they do.
Honestly if they didn't lie, they wouldn't be able to rationalize their support for thousands of terrible policies that have never worked in human history.
I have to wonder, do you use any of those government programs? I assure you both social security and medicare are not the panacea you think they are. I had the privilege of assisting my elderly neighbor for many years get to and from the doctor and actually paid for her medication on many occassions because between those two programs and her retirement, she still didn't have enough to cover the cost of her meds. Not to mention she should have easily qualified for home health assistance but had to fight tooth and nail to get it for her.
As for VA. I am retired military. I did 22 plus years active duty and my struggles with the VA have been enormous. Now, that being said, it's nowhere as bad as it was when I first retired but it's still, really damn frustrating when you have to wait 3 weeks to a month to see a specialist because something is wrong.... I say better because it was 6 months to a year. If I didn't have other insurance, Tricare, which I pay for from my retirement, some very bad things would have went down for me shortly after I retired.
So, do you?
If rich people had to pay the same percentage of their income to Social Security as poor people, social security would be fine.Social security and Medicare, both progressive policies and both very good for the people of this country... the VA, a progressive government program and very good for our vets. Many more out there but we don’t have all night... you should stop with the partisan rhetoricThe bottom line is that left-wing ideology is built on lies and myths.
Asking why a left-winger lies, is like asking why a snake bites.
It's what they do.
Honestly if they didn't lie, they wouldn't be able to rationalize their support for thousands of terrible policies that have never worked in human history.
So lets look at the facts, rather than your opinion.
Trustees Report Summary
Social Security’s total cost is projected to exceed its total income (including interest) in 2020.
When Social Security was created, it was a 1% tax. Now it is a 15% tax, and still going broke. Not only that but the average monthly benefit from Social Security is barely $1,400 a month, meaning 50% of all recipients are getting less than that.
That same amount of money flushed down the toilet of Social Security, if invested in real assets, would result in most people with a half million, to a million or more by retirement. Instead they are living in poverty, most being forced to work menial jobs to make ends meet, and still bankrupting the country.
The people of Greece said the same thing about their pension system, until their country imploded.
You people are a joke. You keep everyone impoverished at the low income levels with your 15% tax, and then keep them impoverished in their old age with your McJob level Social Security benefit, and then are ignorant enough to think you are helping people. You guys are like the abusive husband, hitting his wife over saying "You should be thanking me!".
I have a family member on Medicare and it has been great. He got a knee replacement and didn't have to wait but a month or so.Social security and Medicare, both progressive policies and both very good for the people of this country... the VA, a progressive government program and very good for our vets. Many more out there but we don’t have all night... you should stop with the partisan rhetoricThe bottom line is that left-wing ideology is built on lies and myths.
Asking why a left-winger lies, is like asking why a snake bites.
It's what they do.
Honestly if they didn't lie, they wouldn't be able to rationalize their support for thousands of terrible policies that have never worked in human history.
I have to wonder, do you use any of those government programs? I assure you both social security and medicare are not the panacea you think they are. I had the privilege of assisting my elderly neighbor for many years get to and from the doctor and actually paid for her medication on many occassions because between those two programs and her retirement, she still didn't have enough to cover the cost of her meds. Not to mention she should have easily qualified for home health assistance but had to fight tooth and nail to get it for her.
As for VA. I am retired military. I did 22 plus years active duty and my struggles with the VA have been enormous. Now, that being said, it's nowhere as bad as it was when I first retired but it's still, really damn frustrating when you have to wait 3 weeks to a month to see a specialist because something is wrong.... I say better because it was 6 months to a year. If I didn't have other insurance, Tricare, which I pay for from my retirement, some very bad things would have went down for me shortly after I retired.
So, do you?
My brother-in-law had the same problem. All he needed was some surgery on his hand, to fix a deployment related injury. After a year and a half of waiting just to see the doctor to get the surgery setup... he finally went to a private doctor, paid out of pocket, and had the surgery done the same week he went to the doctor.
This is the reality of gov-run anything. But left-wingers don't care. They'll have people sitting in an ER for 36 hours only to die, as long as it's free, and no one is 'profiting' from it.
