Senate defeats measure to overturn Trump expansion of non-ObamaCare plans

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    Good. This will mean more dead Trump voters :clap:
     
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    By repealing the laws in regards to the freeloaders, do you mean have government require hospitals get their payment up front?

    I'll admit with my ACL done they wanted me to pay my deductable upfront, I told them here is $100 and I'll give ya more when I'm out of surgery and awake lol
     
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    Laws requiring mandatory emergency stabilizing medical treatment at hospital emergency rooms need to be repealed. Once treatment begins the bill starts building up and there is no way to predict how high it will get. If they can not pay, don't even load them into an ambulance or kick them out of the emergency room right away, no freeloaders allowed.
     
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    No. I mean have government butt out. And to stop using idiotic laws an excuse for ever more idiotic laws.
     
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    Does this mean hospitals don't have to treat ppl who can't pay?
     
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    Unless they are under contract to do so, yes, that's what it means.
     
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    Just so we're clear, EMTALA (Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act) was signed into law in 1986 - and does require public hospitals that are funded by taxpayer dollars to provide emergency care to patients regardless of ability to pay. Private for-profit hospitals can turn you away, but not the public ones. The defeated measure does not change that. Let's clarify a little bit what actually went down:

    Most of us know that last year, Congress struck a major blow to the heart of Obamacare. The individual mandate penalty tax that punishes Americans for not having Obamacare-compliant coverage was repealed in the Trump tax cut bill. Which made Obamacare voluntary, but there was a problem. There were very few non-Obamacare plans available because a 2016 Obama regulation had deliberately crippled them. In his last in office, he slashed the duration of Obamacare-exempt so-called "short-term, limited duration plans" from one year to three months and banned them from being renewable. Why did Obama do it?

    Because people were flocking to these short-term plans, even though at that time they would have to pay both their premiums and the individual mandate penalty tax for choosing a non-Obamacare plan. The plans were that much cheaper and better than the junky Obamacare plans, with sky-high premiums and deductibles and narrow provider networks that exclude the best hospitals. The catch? These plans do not have to cover pre-existing conditions. And these plans can deny coverage or charge higher premiums to Americans based on their medical histories. And they don't have to provide comprehensive coverage. But it's a cheaper alternative if you don't have a PEC, and if you do then you can still go the ACA route as before, nothing changed for you. But it's a good deal for you if you don't have a PCE, or at least it's an option.

    So, President Trump rescinded the 2016 Obama regulation, which means that as of October 2, 2018, non-Obamacare plans are legal again and uncrippled. They can be written for up to 364 days at a time, renewed for up to three years, and can now be paired with a premium guarantee product to lock in a successor policy after three years without any risk of a premium increase because you get sick. And now there's no penalty tax for being in a non-Obamacare plan!

    So who would say no to consumers having more choices, with lower premiums, guaranteed renewability without medical underwriting, and potentially better provider networks? Your friendly neighborhood Democrat, that's who. Why? Cuz they need an issue like health care to run on, even if they themselves fucked it up. They wanted to undo Trump's directive to rescind Obama's 2016 reg, even though in so doing they would be denying people HC Insurance that really is more affordable.
     
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    Uhhhh, you know these plans have existed for years right?
     
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    Solving simple poverty via compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is more market friendly and cost effective.
     
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    Someone needs to take that worthless **** out behind the woodshed and beat some sense into her. She needs to learn where the hell her loyalties lay.

    Come January she needs to be explicitly told... “If you vote with Democrats you will be evicted from the party and forced to caucus with them. Make your choice and live with it, bitch.”
     

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