Senate defeats measure to overturn Trump expansion of non-ObamaCare plans

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    article: "Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) voting with Democrats in favor of overturning the short-term plans."

    Well there's you are! Thanks Suzy for your Kavanaugh vote. But I see now it's back to business as usual. Shame, shame, shame!

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    The Senate on Wednesday defeated a Democratic measure to overrule President Trump’s expansion of non-ObamaCare insurance plans as Democrats seek to highlight health care ahead of the midterm elections.

    The Democratic measure would have overruled Trump’s expansion of short-term health insurance plans, which do not have to cover people with pre-existing conditions or cover a range of health services like mental health or prescription drugs.

    It was defeated on an extremely narrow, mostly party line 50-50 vote, with Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) voting with Democrats in favor of overturning the short-term plans. Republicans argue the short-term plans simply provide a cheaper option alongside more comprehensive ObamaCare plans.

    Democrats forced the vote ahead of the midterms in an attempt to put health care front and center in the campaign. Democrats said Republicans voting to keep in place these “junk” insurance plans that do not have to cover pre-existing conditions was another example they can use to paint the GOP as wrong on health care.

    “In a few short weeks the American people will head to the polls where they can vote for another two years of Republican attempts to gut our health-care system, or they can vote for Democratic candidates who will safeguard the protections now in place and work to make health care more affordable,” Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) said on the Senate floor Wednesday.

    Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), the chairman of the Senate Health Committee, forcefully pushed back, saying short-term plans provide a cheaper option than ObamaCare and if people want full ObamaCare plans with all the protections, they can still have them.

    With short-term plans, Alexander said the message is “you can pay less with less coverage and at least you will have some insurance.”

    “But our Democratic friends will say, ‘Oh no, we don't want to do anything that will lower the cost of insurance,’” Alexander added.

    Health-care experts say the short-term plans pose a risk of siphoning healthy people away from ObamaCare plans, leading to an increase in premiums for those remaining in the ObamaCare plans.

    “The rule threatens to split and weaken the individual insurance market, which has provided millions of previously uninsured people with access to quality coverage since the health care law went into effect,” a range of patient groups, including the American Cancer Society and American Heart Association, said in a joint statement this week opposing the Trump administration's short-term plans rule.

    The rules that Democrats seek to overturn, which the Trump administration finalized in August, lifted a three-month restriction on short-term plans, allowing them to last up to a year. Critics say this makes the plans not really “short-term” at all.

    “Our constituents deserve more options, not fewer,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Wednesday. “The last thing we should do is destroy one of the options that’s still actually working for American families.”
     
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    Apparently Freightwinger thinks this is funny....he's very ODD!
     
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    Huh? So democrats voted against cheap health care insurance?????


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    More CRUMBS that the DemonRATS want to take away from the voters...spread the word!
     
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    They don't give a fuck about a person's health, they just want more money.

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    I'm not deadset on how to take this.

    On one hand, the fine behind Obamacare was probably unconstitutional.

    On the other, if Trump would use the power correctly he could force all these freeloader to pay SOMETHING for their medical care through reduced tax returns or SOMETHING. They're just all showing up at the hospital, getting treated and dying or getting a bill they can't pay now that we're back to freeloader medical care again.
     
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    Well, it wasn't THEIR cheap health insurance. I'd like to know why Collin voted with the Dems though. Her reasons are generally worthy of consideration.
     
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    All the states should do what south Carolina does and garnish wages, you get something back.


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    So you support socialized medicine that treats everyone and then charging those who live for it as you can garnish their wages? In a way that makes great sense. If the doctor can save me and get my but back to work he can garnish me for the rest of my life! Give him some incentive to keep me alive and get me work ready again.

    I knew some old ladies back in the 80's who mailed off checks for ridiculously small sums like $10 and $15 to continually pay SOMETHING towards their medical bills. Even with the cost of stamps back in the day I thought it was inefficient lol.
     
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    If freeloaders are really what pisses you off, wouldn't it would be lot easier to just repeal the laws that facilitate that in the first place? We could avoid a lot of authoritarian government that way.
     

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