Secularists...Hoist By Their Own Petard

[PoliticalChic]

It takes soooooo little to bring the America-haters out from under their rocks, with this sort of slander:

"The Founders believed in Freedom, all right. Unless you were poor Sally Hemings getting her 15 year old Cherry popped by Thomas Jefferson because she had the bad luck to be his dead-wife's half sister AND his property."

There is no proof of this lie, yet it is regularly spread by Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, who use attacks on the Founders as a proxy for their hatred of America.

Yes, those progressive liberals... like the ones who run the Jefferson Museum at Monticello..

Sally Hemings | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

Sally Hemings had at least six children, who are now believed to have been fathered by Thomas Jefferson many years after the death of his wife. According to Jefferson's records, four survived to adulthood. Beverly (b. 1798), a carpenter and fiddler, was allowed to leave the plantation in late 1821 or early 1822 and, according to his brother, passed into white society in Washington, D.C. Harriet (b. 1801), a spinner in Jefferson'stextile shop, also left Monticello in 1821 or 1822, probably with her brother, and passed for white. Madison Hemings(1805-1878), a carpenter and joiner, was given his freedom in Jefferson's will; he resettled in southern Ohio in 1836, where he worked at his trade and had a farm. Eston Hemings (1808-ca. 1856), also a carpenter, moved to Chillicothe, Ohio, in the 1830s. There he was a well-known professional musician before moving about 1852 to Wisconsin, where he changed his surname to Jefferson along with his racial identity. Both Madison and Eston Hemings made known their belief that they were sons of Thomas Jefferson.

But they are probably all a bunch of America haters, those people who work at Monticello.

2. DNA tests performed on 1 Eston line came up positive, but tests performed originally on 5 Woodson lines in November 1998 came up negative, as did a recent DNA test on a 6th line performed in March 2000. These results should demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that Thomas Jefferson was not the father of Tom Woodson. The Woodson DNA tests are important because if Tom Woodson is Sally Heming's Paris-conceived son and could be shown to have Jefferson DNA, it would then be almost certain that Thomas Jefferson was his father, since Thomas was the only Jefferson in Paris at the time who could have impregnated Sally."

I think you don't understand the concept of reasonable doubt. You are talking about genetic lines that have gone though generations of additional people.

The only way DNA would do this is if you dug up Jefferson and Woodson and compared THEIR DNA. Not remote descendants of both lines.

Anyway, duly noted you couldn't respond to the points about Witchcraft trials, Bleeding and Slavery all being considered "virtues" by the Founding Slave Rapists.

As is the case of soooo many of your areas of ignorance....science is one more lacunae.



" DNA tests performed on 1 Eston line came up positive, but tests performed originally on 5 Woodson lines in November 1998 came up negative, as did a recent DNA test on a 6th line performed in March 2000.These results should demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that Thomas Jefferson was not the father of Tom Woodson. The Woodson DNA tests are important because if Tom Woodson is Sally Heming's Paris-conceived son and could be shown to have Jefferson DNA, it would then be almost certain that Thomas Jefferson was his father, since Thomas was the only Jefferson in Paris at the time who could have impregnated Sally."


".....Thomas Jefferson was not the father.....

And....this is from the über--Liberal PBS.


Clearly DNA tests prove you post to be at least incorrect....but, actually, the sort of lie that is your stock in trade.

 

[PoliticalChic]

From a nation designed for 'a moral and religious people' to one designed for a materialist lot......what happened?

That's what you get when the job creating corporations killed all the Indians....

As you are well-known to provide inane posts.....you seem to have hit a plateau.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now....those promises of material emoluments.....how about keeping them?


8. Let's be clear....since government doesn't actually earn any money, it can only confiscate it from those who do, and 'Ponzi Scheme' it to those whose votes it needs to keep the scheme going.

But maintaining control of the schools and the media, big, uncontrolled government can lie to the electorate...and there will never be the proper attention to those lies.


a. Promise lower premiums, better healthcare, a voluntary program that citizens can join or not....

"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor."

"If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it."

"Nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have."

"...your premiums will go down."

“...no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.”

"...won’t add “one dime” to the federal deficit. "



9. Another half-century old lie?
Sure.....
For more than fifty years, Liberal/Democrat welfare give-away has been advanced.....yet today the poverty rate remains nearly the same as when it started...


a. "Despite nearly $15 trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.
Throwing money at the problem has neither reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient
Scribd


b. ‘Welfare’ as a wholly owned subsidiary of the government, and its main result is the incentivizing of a disrespect for oneself, and for the entity that provides the welfare. As more folks in a poor neighborhood languish with little or no work, entire local culture begins to change: daily work is no longer the expected social norm. Extended periods of hanging around the neighborhood, neither working nor going to school becoming more and more socially acceptable.


Since productive activity not making any economic sense because of the work disincentives of the welfare plantation, other kinds of activities proliferate: drug and alcohol abuse, crime, recreational sex, illegitimacy, and family breakup are the new social norms, as does the culture of violence.
Ferrara, "Bankruptcy Bomb, " chapter five.


Know who it was who took the charity function out of private hands and made it a government role?
Same President who invaded the private housing market, created Fannie Mae, and caused the mortgage meltdown.
Yup.....FDR.


Anyone can see that material solutions don't work.....values and attitudes are the way out of poverty.


"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

 

[Jantje_Smit]

As you are well-known to provide inane posts.....you seem to have hit a plateau.

Come on, I just answered your question. No need to get upset.

And I can do better, it takes a while for the medicinal marihuana to take effect...

 

[JoeB131]

I seem to have destroyed you fairly quickly today.


I can tell by how rapidly you've defaulted to vulgarity.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I offend your little sensibilities by using bad words?

Point is, Religious doesn't equal Moral. Religion is Crusades, Jihads, Inquisitions, Religious Wars.

Religion is Catholic Priests fucking altar boys up the ass and the Parish going along with it.

Religion is saying witch burning and slavery are good.

 

[JoeB131]

As is the case of soooo many of your areas of ignorance....science is one more lacunae.



" DNA tests performed on 1 Eston line came up positive, but tests performed originally on 5 Woodson lines in November 1998 came up negative, as did a recent DNA test on a 6th line performed in March 2000.These results should demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that Thomas Jefferson was not the father of Tom Woodson.

No, they prove that Jefferson was not the ancestor of current people PURPORTED to be descendants of Tom Woodson.

Reasonable doubt means that you have no other plausible explanations.

Here's a plausible explanation- That guy who thought he was a descendant of Tom Woodson... His grandmother fucked the milkman.

Whoops. There's a reasonable doubt. Lots of bored housewives fucked the milkman. It was actually a cliche when I was growing up.

Now, if you dug up Tom Woodson and Jefferson, and compared the DNA from their corpses, then you might have proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[JoeB131]

Now....those promises of material emoluments.....how about keeping them?

See, you get destroyed in your initial arguments, and you keep posting your manifesto. Domestic servitude is the only thing keeping you from ranting on a street corner.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Don't ya' just love it when the villains get what they deserve, a dose of their own medicine?
I sure do.


1. Can you imagine....secularists squealing like stuck pigs when their own methods are used against them!
'...a consummation devoutly to be wished....'


First.....those methods....then that example.



2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.

That's why the hatred comes out whenever they see folks who are religious.




3. The change in America, from a spiritual to a materialist entity, is largely due to the efforts of the 32nd President. He promised all sorts of material rewards, if America would only give up the individualism, and freedoms that the Founders embodied in the Constitution.
He promised rewards such as

· Employment(right to work)

· Food, clothing and leisure, viaenough income to support them

· Farmers' rights to a fair income

· Freedom fromunfair competitionandmonopolies

· Housing

· Medical care

· Social security
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights
Kind of a 'worker's paradise,' huh?
I wonder where he got that idea.



4. And for these material benefits, all Americans had to do was give up our birthright...Individuals who have had the benefit of an education recognize this.

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."


5. While America was founded on this view:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

...it has become inculcated with this one:

" Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries. One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people. Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs and/or practices."
Secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


....the very antithesis of 'a moral and religious people.'
The Founders wouldn't be welcome in a secular nation, would they.

The ignorance of this thread’s premise is exceeded only by its stupidity.

 

[guno]

Don't ya' just love it when the villains get what they deserve, a dose of their own medicine?
I sure do.


1. Can you imagine....secularists squealing like stuck pigs when their own methods are used against them!
'...a consummation devoutly to be wished....'


First.....those methods....then that example.



2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.

That's why the hatred comes out whenever they see folks who are religious.




3. The change in America, from a spiritual to a materialist entity, is largely due to the efforts of the 32nd President. He promised all sorts of material rewards, if America would only give up the individualism, and freedoms that the Founders embodied in the Constitution.
He promised rewards such as

· Employment(right to work)

· Food, clothing and leisure, viaenough income to support them

· Farmers' rights to a fair income

· Freedom fromunfair competitionandmonopolies

· Housing

· Medical care

· Social security
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights
Kind of a 'worker's paradise,' huh?
I wonder where he got that idea.



4. And for these material benefits, all Americans had to do was give up our birthright...Individuals who have had the benefit of an education recognize this.

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."


5. While America was founded on this view:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

...it has become inculcated with this one:

" Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries. One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people. Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs and/or practices."
Secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


....the very antithesis of 'a moral and religious people.'
The Founders wouldn't be welcome in a secular nation, would they.

The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites. Thomas Jefferson


“The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.”
John Adams

“Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?”
John Adams

“The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs.”
Thomas Jefferson — Letter to James Smith, December 8, 1822

“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams


“Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.”
Thomas Paine

66. “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
Thomas Paine

67. “What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.”
Thomas Paine

 

[JoeB131]

Every one please note, the Mail Order Bride from Hell avoided that we've rejected the beliefs of the Founders on Slavery, Bleeding and Witchcraft... but are supposed to take them seriously on other things.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I seem to have destroyed you fairly quickly today.


I can tell by how rapidly you've defaulted to vulgarity.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I offend your little sensibilities by using bad words?

Point is, Religious doesn't equal Moral. Religion is Crusades, Jihads, Inquisitions, Religious Wars.

Religion is Catholic Priests fucking altar boys up the ass and the Parish going along with it.

Religion is saying witch burning and slavery are good.

"Oh, I'm sorry, did I offend your little sensibilities by using bad words?"

You didn't offend me...you simply revealed yourself to be the low-life I've always said you were.

I consider you to be the poster boy for Liberalism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. No matter the political perspective....whether Liberalism, Progressivism, socialism, communism, fascism, or Nazism....replacing morality with material accoutrements, commodities and products,... anything not earned loses its value.




More promises of an increase in material wealth...in return for giving up liberty...

In order to maintain total control over the dissemination of information....the Internet....big government claims that it will lower cable costs if it is allowed to 'regulate' this venue....


"Want a lower Comcast bill? Complain to the FCC
Broadband providers are probably fielding some new complaints now that the Federal Communications Commission hasbegun accepting formal objectionsunder its new net neutrality rules.....the FCC’snet neutrality orderalso reclassified broadband providers as common carriers, allowing for penalties if their billing practices are “unjust” or “unreasonable." The FCC has not said exactly what constitutes unjust or unreasonable pricing." Want a lower Comcast bill? Complain to the FCC


Remember this, earlier?

"...the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."





This was a founding view for America: "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly" Thomas Paine ...

Yet, America is taught in the secular society that 'it's all about the benjamins.....'


So....it's irony in the most elemental meaning when a sort of materialism is used to reverse the toxic trends....and folks are offered material rewards to revisit morality and religion....
....and how the secularists react to the possibility that someone is out to change attitudes and values.


Coming right up.

 

[rightwinger]

We are a more moral nation than at the time of our founding

Not even close

 

[Jantje_Smit]

10. No matter the political perspective....whether Liberalism, Progressivism, socialism, communism, fascism, or Nazism....replacing morality with material accoutrements, commodities and products,... anything not earned loses its value.

I don't get it, greed is bad now and tax cuts for the job creators aren't moral?

 

[PoliticalChic]

We are a more moral nation than at the time of our founding

Not even close

No one can write a more inane post than you.

Not even close.

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. No matter the political perspective....whether Liberalism, Progressivism, socialism, communism, fascism, or Nazism....replacing morality with material accoutrements, commodities and products,... anything not earned loses its value.

I don't get it, greed is bad now and tax cuts for the job creators aren't moral?

Shirley...you can be more articulate than this.

 

[rightwinger]

We are a more moral nation than at the time of our founding

Not even close

No one can write a more inane post than you.

Not even close.

Well Cut and Paste Princess....let's look at the facts

Our founders owned slaves, denied rights to women and Native Anericans, ignored worker rights and child labor. They ignored poverty and human rights abuses

Not even close to our moral society

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Founders were also beer brewers, oh the secular bastardization of their religion..

And their beer was a lot stronger than some of the piss water they sell now.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Don't ya' just love it when the villains get what they deserve, a dose of their own medicine?
I sure do.


1. Can you imagine....secularists squealing like stuck pigs when their own methods are used against them!
'...a consummation devoutly to be wished....'


First.....those methods....then that example.



2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.

That's why the hatred comes out whenever they see folks who are religious.




3. The change in America, from a spiritual to a materialist entity, is largely due to the efforts of the 32nd President. He promised all sorts of material rewards, if America would only give up the individualism, and freedoms that the Founders embodied in the Constitution.
He promised rewards such as

· Employment(right to work)

· Food, clothing and leisure, viaenough income to support them

· Farmers' rights to a fair income

· Freedom fromunfair competitionandmonopolies

· Housing

· Medical care

· Social security
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights
Kind of a 'worker's paradise,' huh?
I wonder where he got that idea.



4. And for these material benefits, all Americans had to do was give up our birthright...Individuals who have had the benefit of an education recognize this.

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."


5. While America was founded on this view:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

...it has become inculcated with this one:

" Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries. One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people. Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs and/or practices."
Secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


....the very antithesis of 'a moral and religious people.'
The Founders wouldn't be welcome in a secular nation, would they.

I got your founder, right here...

That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not, or that the Bible does not.

Thomas Paine


Read more at: Thomas Paine Quotes at BrainyQuote

 

[PoliticalChic]

We are a more moral nation than at the time of our founding

Not even close

No one can write a more inane post than you.

Not even close.

Well Cut and Paste Princess....let's look at the facts

Our founders owned slaves, denied rights to women and Native Anericans, ignored worker rights and child labor. They ignored poverty and human rights abuses

Not even close to our moral society

"Well Cut and Paste Princess...."

While you correctly apply 'Princess,'......the preceding phrase requires a correction to make it accurate.

...don't be sloppy...being inane is certainly bad enough!
My work is not largely 'cut and paste'.....
...I am far too astute and ethical for that to be the case..


The correct usage is 'cut, paste, and attribute.'


Unlike Liberal...I state the source of material I provide.

Always.
Of course, I can do this due to my excellent education, and work ethic.



Now....compare that to the 'Liberal Plagiarism' of your ilk.

You dolts use the talking points you glean from Obama, the NYTimes, the DNC, MSNBC, Comedy Central,.... or CAIR.....and never give the source. It is a pretense that is is aimed at implying that you came up with the material on your own.....

...but we both know that you aren't capable of that: after all, you're a government school grad.

You Liberals are the Milli Vanilli of political discourse....lip-syncing Liberal outlets.

That's the truth.....isn't it.



And I expect genuflection when you use my title.


Now, don't force me to have to correct you again, or we'll cut your prune juice allowance.