Secret takeover of the USA

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  1. ScreamingEagle
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    "Is our government working quietly to create the equivalent of a North American Union -- much on the lines of the European Union?

    Some charge that such a Union will eventually override our Constitutional government, our judicial system, our economic system and even our currency, which, some speculate, will be replaced by something called the Amero.

    Can it be possible?

    Others say such charges are just another trumped up conspiracy theory of a lunatic fringe.

    I can't possibly address every issue and describe the complete history of the situation in our short time together, but I can go over the highlights and give you an idea as to why many of us are greatly concerned and in fact believe we are entering the fight of our lives.

    Here's a quick run down.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/deweese021307.htm

    These are just a very few of the details concerning the SPP. We believe it is the beginning of the creation of a North American Union much on the lines of the European Union.

    The game plan is very much the same. The excuse for the EU was trade. But today, according to the former president of Germany, 84% of that nation's laws now come from the European Union.

    It begins in secrecy and slowly builds incrementally. But step by step a structure is put into place run by communitarian law and regional governing councils of appointed, well connected, yet unknown and unreachable officials hiding behind public/private partnerships, not answerable or responsive to citizens.

    This is why we fear the creation of a North American Union.

    The United States is the most unique nation on earth. We are the only nation which was created to protect our natural rights.

    The greatness of the American system arises from the fundamental principle that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.

    That means that public policy must be enacted only by elected representatives of the people. This principle ensures that the people can remove and replace policy makers who make policy with which the people disagree.

    To harmonize this land with nations which do not share our values and governing principles can only result in a lessoning of our liberty and our quality of life.

    To do it in secret, refusing to allow us to engage in debate before such massive changes take place is nothing short of treason."
     
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    Such charges are just another trumped up conspiracy theory of a lunatic fringe.
     
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    Canada and Mexico would probably end up being controlled, not the other way around... and America isn't the birthplace of democracy... nor does it have the closest system to democracy, you guys are seriously underrepresented at the polls, you should change it up so someone winning 51% of the votes in just enough states can't be pres. (I believe the electoral college system would allow for a 51% winner in just five-seven states to beat someone with 49% in those states, and 100% in the rest.)
     
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    "What is a conspiracy theory? There seems to be a lot of them because every time I write about another government program or policy, the denials begin as someone starts smirking "conspiracy theory" and calling me a fringe wacko. It’s getting tiresome.
    http://www.americanpolicy.org/more/main.htm

    They say it is a conspiracy theory to suggest that the Bush Administration is creating a North American Union. "They" all shake their heads at this one, with smiles on their faces and they simply say no, there is no effort to create a North American Union. The Bush Administration’s Security and Prosperity Partnership is not using a Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) report as a blue print for the plan, and certainly not, there are no plans to throw out the dollar for a common North American currency called the Amero. The SPP, says the "Myths and Facts" section of the SPP web site (put there to calmly put down those darn conspiracy theorist) is not an agreement nor is it a treaty, In fact, no agreement was ever signed," the document proudly states.

    The Truth. On March 23, 2005, President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin met at the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas in what they called a "Summit." After the meeting, the three heads of state then drove to Baylor University to announce their "signing" of an agreement to form the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.

    Today, 20 working groups operate out of offices in the Commerce Department preparing policy papers, memorandums of understanding, and trilateral declarations of agreement, laying the foundation for how the agreement will work. Each working group has a counterpart in the other two nations. The Bush Administration refuses to release the names of the members of the working groups. Members of the groups and top Administration leaders including the Secretaries of Defense, State and Homeland Security have attended top level meetings in Canada and Mexico to discuss SPP policy such as "Demographic and Social Dimensions of North American Integration."

    Yet, all of these very expensive meetings and travel expenses, paid for by the Administration have never been authorized by the U.S. Congress. Officially, Congress has never been informed of the activities of the SPP, nor have they been approved. It’s all been created behind the scenes with the use of the President’s Executive Order pen.

    A key participant in the organization of the SPP is Dr. Robert Pastor, a member of the CFR and author of a 2001 book entitled "Toward a North American Commission" which outlined in detail the creation of a North American Union, including the creation of a common currency he called the Amero.

    In May, 2005, the CFR published its own version in a report called "Building a North American Community." Pastor had a guiding hand it writing that report as well. Yet, the Bush Administration continues to deny there is any connection to Pastor’s book or the CFR report, even though Pastor is a major player in the implementation of the SPP.

    We are supposed to believe that a man who has written passionately to advocate a North American Union, and travels the world advocating its establishment, now quietly sits in SPP meetings but does nothing to help promote or implement his ideas. It’s even harder to explain the near identical language in the SPP documents and Pastor’s book. No conspiracy here, just good old fashioned civil servants trying to make the government run better. Logic and the ability to read and to mentally process such information is simply to be suspended. Anything other conclusion is simply to be degraded as a conspiracy theory. "



    Who the heck said America is "the birthplace of democracy"? What country are you from? The United States is a Constitutional Republic, a representative democracy. Read up on it:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College

    The point of the article is that all three countries - U.S., Canada, Mexico - would be rolled into one overarching entity (kinda like the EU) controlled by "policy makers" who are not necessarily elected by the people of any country.
     
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    I'm with ya sir, the whole thing is out of control, and NO ONE knows for sure where it will land.

    Call it what you will, the "fringe" will rule the day.
     
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    I guess that doesn't say America created democracy, but it kind of implied it was democratic aberration in a world of undemocratic nations.
     
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    Never was a claim that the US created democracy, the Greeks did. While some town meetings had close to direct democracy, it never was seriously considered while creating the country, while fighting a war. The Parliamentary system was rejected.

    Instead they came up with a meshing of democracy and republic, then federated it all. It fit our situation, size, etc. It's not for everyplace. As for the electoral college, it too fit and still does, our situation. There were concerns at the time of establishment, have been time and time again, yet always those that actually looked at 'why' came down to keeping it.

    But you enjoy CA, we will try to lurch on.
     
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    If the US is comfortable killing it's way to democracy overseas, why not inch a little closer (sans violence) at home?
     
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    "killing its way to democracy"? Damn right. Or I suppose you think Saddam was such a nice guy he'd set his people free and stopped threatening the rest of us if we only had just asked him nicely, right?

    So you're living in California and don't think we live in a democracy? That I can understand...:rolleyes:
     
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    Who says comfortable? Why would we want more democracy here?
     

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