SCOTUS upholds federal silencer law

[task0778]

The US Supreme Court on Monday left intact a federal law that requires the registration of some firearms, including silencers, and turned away a request to consider whether such firearm accessories are protected by the Second Amendment.

Silencer law challenges rejected by Supreme Court - CNNPolitics

I think this is the correct ruling by the court, a firearm without a silencer is good enough protection for an individual in their own home IMHO. A silencer was used during the recent Virginia Beach massacre, and if a state wants to ban them altogether then I think that should be their prerogative.

 

[Edgetho]

The 2nd Amendment gives us the right keep and bear arms, not the right to be an assassin

 

[Pete7469]

Even the fuckin french can buy suppressors right off the shelf. Suppressors aren't "silencers". They barely reduce the sound of gunfire enough. When shooting subsonic ammunition you can still hear a distinct pop. Full power rifle rounds still require hearing protection. I think it's a shitty ruling.

 

[mdk]

Stupid ruling.

 

[Edgetho]

Even the fuckin french can buy suppressors right off the shelf. Suppressors aren't "silencers". They barely reduce the sound of gunfire enough. When shooting subsonic ammunition you can still hear a distinct pop. Full power rifle rounds still require hearing protection. I think it's a shitty ruling.

Then, respectfully, you're wrong.

The 2nd Amendment was written as a bulwark against a tyrannical, over-reaching government, not for your, or anybody else's personal pleasure.

Not for hunting. Not for collectors, not for target shooting, not for anything other than to protect The Rights of The People from an aggressive government.

If Venezuela had a 2nd Amendment, or North Korea, or Cuba, or virtually any other socialist shithole.........

We do. It's why socialists are so set on removing, damaging or otherwise taking down the 2nd.

Silencers is a Bridge Too Far

 

[M14 Shooter]

The US Supreme Court on Monday left intact....

The USSC did -not- uphold the lower court ruling.

 

[Pete7469]

Even the fuckin french can buy suppressors right off the shelf. Suppressors aren't "silencers". They barely reduce the sound of gunfire enough. When shooting subsonic ammunition you can still hear a distinct pop. Full power rifle rounds still require hearing protection. I think it's a shitty ruling.

Then, respectfully, you're wrong.

The 2nd Amendment was written as a bulwark against a tyrannical, over-reaching government, not for your, or anybody else's personal pleasure.

Not for hunting. Not for collectors, not for target shooting, not for anything other than to protect The Rights of The People from an aggressive government.

If Venezuela had a 2nd Amendment, or North Korea, or Cuba, or virtually any other socialist shithole.........

We do. It's why socialists are so set on removing, damaging or otherwise taking down the 2nd.

Silencers is a Bridge Too Far

We certainly disagree then. I don't see where a suppressor goes too far. I know plenty of people who have one or more. That asshole in Virginia did not have any more of advantage in using one.

 

[captkaos]

The US Supreme Court on Monday left intact a federal law that requires the registration of some firearms, including silencers, and turned away a request to consider whether such firearm accessories are protected by the Second Amendment.

Silencer law challenges rejected by Supreme Court - CNNPolitics

I think this is the correct ruling by the court, a firearm without a silencer is good enough protection for an individual in their own home IMHO. A silencer was used during the recent Virginia Beach massacre, and if a state wants to ban them altogether then I think that should be their prerogative.

Wow! We agree leave this decision to the local communities. I can't think of a "Lawful" use or need for a silencer. IMHO the more noise the mother makes the better! I wanna know when someone is shooting close by...….. So I can run for cover and not get shot. Chicago should require louder guns I guess ! Banning them obviously hasn't worked! Just sayin'

 

[2aguy]

The US Supreme Court on Monday left intact a federal law that requires the registration of some firearms, including silencers, and turned away a request to consider whether such firearm accessories are protected by the Second Amendment.

Silencer law challenges rejected by Supreme Court - CNNPolitics

I think this is the correct ruling by the court, a firearm without a silencer is good enough protection for an individual in their own home IMHO. A silencer was used during the recent Virginia Beach massacre, and if a state wants to ban them altogether then I think that should be their prerogative.

It isn't about protection against an attacker....it is about protecting the hearing of the user. One silencer and two pistols........and you want to put red tape on owning a silencer.......? That is foolish and unecessary. Fire a 9mm, .45 or .357 in your hallway of your home during an attack...after you get back from the hearing Doctor, tell us how a silencer isn't something you would have liked to have had.....how about if members of your family are in the room....think your children like their hearing?

 

[captkaos]

Even the fuckin french can buy suppressors right off the shelf. Suppressors aren't "silencers". They barely reduce the sound of gunfire enough. When shooting subsonic ammunition you can still hear a distinct pop. Full power rifle rounds still require hearing protection. I think it's a shitty ruling.

Yeah because they can't buy the guns to go with them ! Duh!

 

[Pete7469]

Even the fuckin french can buy suppressors right off the shelf. Suppressors aren't "silencers". They barely reduce the sound of gunfire enough. When shooting subsonic ammunition you can still hear a distinct pop. Full power rifle rounds still require hearing protection. I think it's a shitty ruling.

Yeah because they can't buy the guns to go with them ! Duh!

Yes they can, it's just a lot more difficult than here.
Five things to know about guns in France

France is in 12th place in the world in the rankings of gun ownership, according to the Small Arms Survey. The estimated total number of guns held by civilians - both legally and illegally - in France is around 10 million, according to figures published last year by Gun Policy, a project run by the University of Sydney.

 

[Osiris-ODS]

The suppressor law was passed to stop hunting on federal land. I figured the hearing protection act would play a role in taking suppressors off the tax stamp list, but I guess not if the OP is accurate. The decibel rating of firing subsonic ammo suppressed (particularly an integrally suppressed barrel) is about the same as the sound of the bolt hitting, which is not "Hollywood silent" by any means, but can be fired with minimal hearing protection. I hunt wild hog, and there is a very good reason to shoot suppressed if you're hoping to kill off a lot of these dangerous pests to the local community/economy.

My handguns for home protection, on the other hand, are not suppressed. I shoot hot ammo which makes a bang.

 

[captkaos]

Even the fuckin french can buy suppressors right off the shelf. Suppressors aren't "silencers". They barely reduce the sound of gunfire enough. When shooting subsonic ammunition you can still hear a distinct pop. Full power rifle rounds still require hearing protection. I think it's a shitty ruling.

Yeah because they can't buy the guns to go with them ! Duh!

Yes they can, it's just a lot more difficult than here.
Five things to know about guns in France

France is in 12th place in the world in the rankings of gun ownership, according to the Small Arms Survey. The estimated total number of guns held by civilians - both legally and illegally - in France is around 10 million, according to figures published last year by Gun Policy, a project run by the University of Sydney.

I'm more informed now thanks. Still why do they need silencers or suppressors? Why don't the manufacturers make them with the Silencer "Assassin" option they could make substantially more on each one. Just wondering? Game animals don't care how much noise the weapon makes. For recreational firearms use they make other noise suppression devices that work very well. Why an better yet when would you need a silencer?

 

[Dekster]

I find it a bit odd that i can have a gun to protect myself but i cant wear body armor to protect myself from the guns

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The US Supreme Court on Monday left intact a federal law that requires the registration of some firearms, including silencers, and turned away a request to consider whether such firearm accessories are protected by the Second Amendment.

Silencer law challenges rejected by Supreme Court - CNNPolitics

I think this is the correct ruling by the court, a firearm without a silencer is good enough protection for an individual in their own home IMHO. A silencer was used during the recent Virginia Beach massacre, and if a state wants to ban them altogether then I think that should be their prerogative.

I think they should be legal.
It's not like you cant hear the shot,it just brings the decibels down to a safe level.

 

[Osiris-ODS]

I'm more informed now thanks. Still why do they need silencers or suppressors? Why don't the manufacturers make them with the Silencer "Assassin" option they could make substantially more on each one. Just wondering? Game animals don't care how much noise the weapon makes. For recreational firearms use they make other noise suppression devices that work very well. Why an better yet when would you need a silencer?

If you're hunting hogs, they absolutely care how loud a fired round is--they will scatter after 1 shot and you won't see them again for the rest of the night. Look up the damage these things do to the ecosystem and the economy, they breed out of control. The goal is to take down as many as possible in one outing. Hence, it is better to shoot suppressed subsonic (.300 blackout, etc).

 

[captkaos]

The suppressor law was passed to stop hunting on federal land. I figured the hearing protection act would play a role in taking suppressors off the tax stamp list, but I guess not if the OP is accurate. The decibel rating of firing subsonic ammo suppressed (particularly an integrally suppressed barrel) is about the same as the sound of the bolt hitting, which is not "Hollywood silent" by any means, but can be fired with minimal hearing protection. I hunt wild hog, and there is a very good reason to shoot suppressed if you're hoping to kill off a lot of these dangerous pests to the local community/economy.


My handguns for home protection, on the other hand, are not suppressed. I shoot hot ammo which makes a bang.

I've hunted hogs the F#%&ers run when they hear a twig snap 200 yds. away who you tryin to fool, and you're probably not killing one closer than that unless you sit a stand. Hogs are smart and they learn quick what danger (man)smells like. Shoot them from further away and don't worry about the sound. They'll come back to the feeder!

 

[task0778]

Look guys, the federal law that was upheld does NOT ban silencers, it just makes you register when you buy one. It's the law, comply or face the consequences. All you gotta do is register the silencer when you purchased it, where's the problem with that?

Hearing issue, my ass. You can wear hearing protection devices if you so desire, but allowing people to buy silencers without registering them is akin to tacit permission to go into any place with a bunch of people and start shooting without alarming most of them. So you get more shooting victims; surely we all remember the reports after most mass shootings where people say they heard the shots and went into hiding or left the area if they could. So we'd make it easier for a shooter to kill people relatively without much noise?

 

[Pete7469]

I'm more informed now thanks. Still why do they need silencers or suppressors? Why don't the manufacturers make them with the Silencer "Assassin" option they could make substantially more on each one. Just wondering? Game animals don't care how much noise the weapon makes. For recreational firearms use they make other noise suppression devices that work very well. Why an better yet when would you need a silencer?

Suppressors only muffle the concussion at the muzzle, the only good they really do is make the gunfire less damaging to the hearing of the user. They sound is still loud as hell, the Hollywood portrayal where a sniper is silently dropping people is complete fantasy.

They do make weapons with integral suppressors also, but you have to pay the federal government an extra $200 tax and wait a year until some bureaucrook finally gets around to pushing the paperwork through.


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[task0778]

The US Supreme Court on Monday left intact a federal law that requires the registration of some firearms, including silencers, and turned away a request to consider whether such firearm accessories are protected by the Second Amendment.

Silencer law challenges rejected by Supreme Court - CNNPolitics

I think this is the correct ruling by the court, a firearm without a silencer is good enough protection for an individual in their own home IMHO. A silencer was used during the recent Virginia Beach massacre, and if a state wants to ban them altogether then I think that should be their prerogative.

I think they should be legal.
It's not like you cant hear the shot,it just brings the decibels down to a safe level.

They ARE legal, as far as the federal law in question is concerned. You just have to register the silencer, that's all.