bobcollum
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You assume my belief system. I'm not an atheist, because in the words of George Will, "I'm not that decisive", but it's also why I don't worship a god. You're correct in noting that I believe everything can be explained, however you once again assume that I have a motive other than finding factual answers, which I don't. If it turns out there is hard evidence proving the existence of a god besides 'I don't know what else it could be', well guess what I'm going to accept?
Your belief system precludes the existence of God, simple fact. That does not make you an atheist, anymore than my belief in the existence of God makes me a Catholic. I am not making assumptions about your beliefs.
Based on my statement at the end of this post, you'd have to admit that I don't try to prevent the existence of a god through my beliefs. My beliefs are based upon my own logical reasoning, and if I found it logical to be religious I would be. If one day I feel that it's logical for whatever reason to worship a god, than I will. I don't fight any urge, or ignore any information that would change my mind.
QW said:I want to point out something, math has proven that it is impossible to know everything. Science did not do this, scientists, rightly, refuse to believe that there are questions it is impossible to answer.
Me, being a contradictory and stubborn human being, can accept that math has conclusively proven it is impossible to have all the answers, and still strive for all the answers.
Fair enough, I personally am aware that it's impossible for one human to know everything, so it's conceivable that as a species it would be the same. Tell me, at what point do you determine when we're heading down a futile path on any particular scientific theory? As stated before, the theory of the Higgs has been around since 1964 if I remember correctly, what if someone had decided that it wasn't going to be solved? This thread wouldn't be here, for one...
Thanks for the answer. I have to ask is it evidence, or in all actuality a lack of evidence on the scientific end that has led you to conclude that god is real?
It is evidence. The evidence happens to be coincidental, and mostly subjective, but it is still evidence.
Well seriously, what would you say if someone tried to use that argument against you? Doesn't have to be the same topic either...you'd be less than receptive I'd guess.
Link to what? The Bible? The fact that Jews were often thought of as evil because they did not get sick when everyone else in a city got the plague?
Instead of wondering about the basis of my belief system you might want to examine the basis of yours.
That's that subjective evidence you spoke of apparently.
Of course it doesn't, because the fact that a human being is constrained by ethical and legal choices in no way proves that it is logically consistent to presume that God might have similar constraints.
Okay then, why did you use it to try to make a point?
What evidence do you have of that other than your own prejudice? (I will admit that koshergirl might be a tad unwilling to accept evidence as definitive at first, but that does not mean she is going to reject it altogether.
I asked PC earlier, and like my initial post, she ignored it. She really hasn't been very cooperative in this thread, and basically started this whole discussion.
Quantum Windbag said:I see absolutely no reason to suspect that there is a god besides a lack of an explanation at this time from a scientific standpoint, but that doesn't make the grade as evidence, not to me anyway.
Yet you demand grade a evidence of His existence.
Interesting.
Why is it interesting? It's consistent with everything I've said on this board. I demand grade a evidence from science as well, what have I said that would make you think otherwise? In fact, find the quotes and put them in your next post.