Science Question

[Old Rocks]

Yep, that kind of chemistry can get very complicated. However, what we have are actual observations and measurements of the acidity of ocean water from all over the world. From water mid-ocean to water in estuaries. Now most of the life in the ocean is in the upper 300 meters of the ocean. So that is where the pH of the ocean matters the most. And there has been an observed drop of that pH. At the same time, we have an observed increase in absorbed CO2 in the ocean.

As for the rest of your nonsense, obvoiusly you never took any science classes in school.

 

[mamooth]

Oh wait Old Rocks scholarly cut and paste stated that they only measure "surface water". That's odd. Does acid water float to the surface? Does all that manmade global warming trapped in the deep ocean drive the acid water right to the litmus paper?

Frank, try reading up on the thermohaline circulation. That way, you won't keep embarrassing yourself with your constant conspiracy kookery.

However, since you're too lazy to do that, I'll help you out. The deep ocean is near-freezing cold. The warmer water near the surface is less dense, so it doesn't sink down. Only the dense cold surface water near the poles sinks, and that drives the thermohaline circulation. Hence, the surface waters will acidify first, but the deep water will not. The deeps won't get more acidic until the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich water down, and that can take centuries.

Hence, you've made a fundamental bonehead error, by plugging the entire volume of the ocean into your equations.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Interesting. So first you tell us that the average pH of the oceans have declined by .1 and now you're telling us that you're limiting the pH measurements...to what exactly?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oh wait Old Rocks scholarly cut and paste stated that they only measure "surface water". That's odd. Does acid water float to the surface? Does all that manmade global warming trapped in the deep ocean drive the acid water right to the litmus paper?

Frank, try reading up on the thermohaline circulation. That way, you won't keep embarrassing yourself with your constant conspiracy kookery.

However, since you're too lazy to do that, I'll help you out. The deep ocean is near-freezing cold. The warmer water near the surface is less dense, so it doesn't sink down. Only the dense cold surface water near the poles sinks, and that drives the thermohaline circulation. Hence, the surface waters will acidify first, but the deep water will not. The deeps won't get more acidic until the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich water down, and that can take centuries.

Hence, you've made a fundamental bonehead error, by plugging the entire volume of the ocean into your equations.

So when you say "the pH of the ocean has declined by .1" what do you mean by "Ocean"?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yep, that kind of chemistry can get very complicated. However, what we have are actual observations and measurements of the acidity of ocean water from all over the world. From water mid-ocean to water in estuaries. Now most of the life in the ocean is in the upper 300 meters of the ocean. So that is where the pH of the ocean matters the most. And there has been an observed drop of that pH. At the same time, we have an observed increase in absorbed CO2 in the ocean.

As for the rest of your nonsense, obvoiusly you never took any science classes in school.

For such a smart guy you're very short tempered and lack either a good grasp on the subject or the ability to relate what you know and make it understandable.

I took science classes, but then again, I'm not the one alleging that an increase in an atmospheric trace gas is acidifying the oceans.

Let's forget about the volume of the ocean and just solve the maths for how much CO2 must be added to a liter of water with a pH of 8.25 in order to drop the pH by .1

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Q. When is an "Average" not really an Average?

A. Whenever you get information from the AGWCult