Santorum blames the president for porn

[elvis]

Opposition to obscenity isn't reserved to religious organizations.

Parental organizations oppose obscenity.

Feminist groups oppose obscenity. In fact Gloria Steinem founded the group Woman Against Pornography.

In fact, the majority of Americans oppose obscenity.

Backing for vigorous enforcement [of obscenity law] was found in all demographic groups, including

women (87%),

men (72%),

high school graduates (85%),

college graduates (82%),

whites (81%),

blacks (78%),

singles (72%),

married people (83%),

married with children (85%),

married without children (69%),

Catholics (82%),

Baptists (80%)

"born again" Christians (85%),

Republicans (79%),

Democrats (77%),

Independents (85%),

those who approve the President's job performance (80%)

and those who do not (81%).


Support for enforcement was highest among 18-to-34-year-old women, at 90%, but "only 60% of men in the same age group agree," Wirthlin reported.



This was "the most striking difference in support levels" among age cohorts.


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Now, this ^ is an old poll, 1997.




This one is from 2002:

PUBLIC OPINION

• Eight out of ten Americans (81%) believe federal laws against Internet obscenity should be vigorously enforced, and seven out of ten (70%) believe that strongly. A higher percentage of women support vigorous enforcement of federal laws against Internet obscenity than men -- 90% versus 72% (Wirthlin Survey, 2002).
• On the other hand, seven out of ten Americans (70%) say they do not believe these laws are currently being vigorously enforced (Wirthlin Survey, 2002).

Enough is Enough: Protecting our Children Online


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But I appreciate you revealing your anti-religious bias.


Now feel free to tell 80% of the population, the state legislature, the state judiciary, the federal legislature, the federal judiciary and the Supreme Court to "fuck off" because we all know the solution to laws we oppose is to ignore them and do whatever we want. Right?

Anti religious bias? No. Anti religious government bias. Absolutely. With porn as rampant as it is, I don't believe that that many men want it illegal. It's a moral and religious laws that Im not upset about being violated. And nice straw man at the end saying I think we can do whatever we want. I'm sorry if you want the country run as a theocracy.
And since I'm sure 80 percent of the south was pro slavery, I'm sure you'd agree with ignoring laws about not rescuing slaves...No wait... Ignoring them Would be out of procedure.

First, Santorum is not talking about pornography, he is referring to Obscenity Laws.

Second, these laws have already been approved by Congress, Upheld by the Supreme Court and enforced by the U.S. Department of Justice.

Is it your contention that we are living under a theocracy right now???

Is it your contention that we have been living under a theocracy for the last 20 years???

Because if that is your contention you have left the realm of logic and reason and are living in a anti-religion fueled dream world.

There you go again the anti religion. I'm against religion and morals controlling government. Worship whomever you like on whatever manner you like.

 

[Missourian]

Anti religious bias? No. Anti religious government bias. Absolutely. With porn as rampant as it is, I don't believe that that many men want it illegal. It's a moral and religious laws that Im not upset about being violated. And nice straw man at the end saying I think we can do whatever we want. I'm sorry if you want the country run as a theocracy.
And since I'm sure 80 percent of the south was pro slavery, I'm sure you'd agree with ignoring laws about not rescuing slaves...No wait... Ignoring them Would be out of procedure.

First, Santorum is not talking about pornography, he is referring to Obscenity Laws.

Second, these laws have already been approved by Congress, Upheld by the Supreme Court and enforced by the U.S. Department of Justice.

Is it your contention that we are living under a theocracy right now???

Is it your contention that we have been living under a theocracy for the last 20 years???

Because if that is your contention you have left the realm of logic and reason and are living in a anti-religion fueled dream world.

There you go again the anti religion. I'm against religion and morals controlling government. Worship whomever you like on whatever manner you like.

And you oppose Santorum insisting that these laws be enforced because they are a form of theocracy? Religion has nothing to do with it.

 

[Full-Auto]

Democrats support children's access to hard core pornography. Yes. We get it.

I dont know about that. But when a tax on porn was suggested by a democrat in my state the democrats of the party quickly disowned him. The populace screamed it would ruin their sex lives.

So there you have it. The first tax a democrat will not support.

 

[Liability]

EXACTLY what laws is PRESIDENT OBAMA not enforcing?

"Pornography loses its First Amendment protections, however, when it becomes obscene or it involves children. At this point, federal and state laws make it illegal to make, sell, own and even look at some of this material. Anyone violating these laws may be fined, sent to jail or both."

Pornography, Obscenity and the Law - Lawyers.com​

Define obscene.....this should be funny.

Oh come now. We all know it when we see it.

Sometimes we have to keep going back to look again and again, though.

Just to be sure, of course.

 

[elvis]

First, Santorum is not talking about pornography, he is referring to Obscenity Laws.

Second, these laws have already been approved by Congress, Upheld by the Supreme Court and enforced by the U.S. Department of Justice.

Is it your contention that we are living under a theocracy right now???

Is it your contention that we have been living under a theocracy for the last 20 years???

Because if that is your contention you have left the realm of logic and reason and are living in a anti-religion fueled dream world.

There you go again the anti religion. I'm against religion and morals controlling government. Worship whomever you like on whatever manner you like.

And you oppose Santorum insisting that these laws be enforced because they are a form of theocracy? Religion has nothing to do with it.

For him it does.

 

[rightwinger]

In the meantime, Let's have a pity party for the religious zealots across the country whose religious laws aren't being upheld. I'd like to thank Missourian for pointing out the issue at hand.

Opposition to obscenity isn't reserved to religious organizations.

Parental organizations oppose obscenity.

Feminist groups oppose obscenity. In fact Gloria Steinem founded the group Woman Against Pornography.

In fact, the majority of Americans oppose obscenity.

Backing for vigorous enforcement [of obscenity law] was found in all demographic groups, including

women (87%),

men (72%),

high school graduates (85%),

college graduates (82%),

whites (81%),

blacks (78%),

singles (72%),

married people (83%),

married with children (85%),

married without children (69%),

Catholics (82%),

Baptists (80%)

"born again" Christians (85%),

Republicans (79%),

Democrats (77%),

Independents (85%),

those who approve the President's job performance (80%)

and those who do not (81%).


Support for enforcement was highest among 18-to-34-year-old women, at 90%, but "only 60% of men in the same age group agree," Wirthlin reported.



This was "the most striking difference in support levels" among age cohorts.


Full Article

​

Now, this ^ is an old poll, 1997.




This one is from 2002:

PUBLIC OPINION

• Eight out of ten Americans (81%) believe federal laws against Internet obscenity should be vigorously enforced, and seven out of ten (70%) believe that strongly. A higher percentage of women support vigorous enforcement of federal laws against Internet obscenity than men -- 90% versus 72% (Wirthlin Survey, 2002).
• On the other hand, seven out of ten Americans (70%) say they do not believe these laws are currently being vigorously enforced (Wirthlin Survey, 2002).

Enough is Enough: Protecting our Children Online


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But I appreciate you revealing your anti-religious bias.


Now feel free to tell 80% of the population, the state legislature, the state judiciary, the federal legislature, the federal judiciary and the Supreme Court to "fuck off" because we all know the solution to laws we oppose is to ignore them and do whatever we want. Right?

Look at that......all those people against obscenity

And yet, the porn industry makes billions of dollars

 

[Missourian]

There you go again the anti religion. I'm against religion and morals controlling government. Worship whomever you like on whatever manner you like.

And you oppose Santorum insisting that these laws be enforced because they are a form of theocracy? Religion has nothing to do with it.

For him it does.

OK, here's Romney saying the EXACT SAME THING.

Former Governor Mitt Romney in a written statement: “(I)t is imperative that we cultivate the promotion of fundamental family values. This can be accomplished with increased parental involvement and enhanced supervision of our children. It includes strict enforcement of our nation’s obscenity laws, as well as the promotion of parental software controls that guard our children from Internet pornography.”

Tell 2012 Candidates “ENFORCE THE LAWS!” | The War On Illegal Pornography

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You have two choices, renounce your support for Romney, or be a hypocrite...your choice.

 

[elvis]

And you oppose Santorum insisting that these laws be enforced because they are a form of theocracy? Religion has nothing to do with it.

For him it does.

OK, here's Romney saying the EXACT SAME THING.

Former Governor Mitt Romney in a written statement: “(I)t is imperative that we cultivate the promotion of fundamental family values. This can be accomplished with increased parental involvement and enhanced supervision of our children. It includes strict enforcement of our nation’s obscenity laws, as well as the promotion of parental software controls that guard our children from Internet pornography.”

Tell 2012 Candidates “ENFORCE THE LAWS!” | The War On Illegal Pornography

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You have two choices, renounce your support for Romney, or be a hypocrite...your choice.

False dilemma. Keep swinging.

 

[elvis]

I hope Missourian is just angry and not reall as stupid as he sounds above.

 

[Missourian]

For him it does.

OK, here's Romney saying the EXACT SAME THING.

Former Governor Mitt Romney in a written statement: “(I)t is imperative that we cultivate the promotion of fundamental family values. This can be accomplished with increased parental involvement and enhanced supervision of our children. It includes strict enforcement of our nation’s obscenity laws, as well as the promotion of parental software controls that guard our children from Internet pornography.”

Tell 2012 Candidates “ENFORCE THE LAWS!” | The War On Illegal Pornography

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You have two choices, renounce your support for Romney, or be a hypocrite...your choice.

False dilemma. Keep swinging.

IOW, what can you say, here you have been railing against enforcing our nation's obscenity laws, how evil it is and how theocratic it is to have the gall to demand that our nations obscenity laws be enforce because of blah, blah blah, faux outrage, faux outrage...and it turns out YOUR CANDIDATE has the exact same position.

Suddenly you discover you have wedged your foot firmly in your mouth.

So, what are you going to do?

Look like a hypocrite, that's what.

If this position really offended you the way you pretended it did when you thought it would help make Romney look good, you would denounce him with the same vigor you denounced Santorum.

I can see why you support Romney...you're just like him...no real core values or convictions...just whatever you have to say to win.

Pitiful.

 

[elvis]

OK, here's Romney saying the EXACT SAME THING.

Former Governor Mitt Romney in a written statement: “(I)t is imperative that we cultivate the promotion of fundamental family values. This can be accomplished with increased parental involvement and enhanced supervision of our children. It includes strict enforcement of our nation’s obscenity laws, as well as the promotion of parental software controls that guard our children from Internet pornography.”

Tell 2012 Candidates “ENFORCE THE LAWS!” | The War On Illegal Pornography

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You have two choices, renounce your support for Romney, or be a hypocrite...your choice.

False dilemma. Keep swinging.

IOW, what can you say, here you have been railing against enforcing our nation's obscenity laws, how evil it is and how theocratic is is to have the gall to demand that our nations obscenity laws be enforce because of blah, blah blah, faux outrage, faux outrage...and it turns out YOUR CANDIDATE has the exact same position.

Suddenly you discover you have wedged your foot firmly in your mouth.

So, what are you going to do?

Look like a hypocrite, that's what.

If this position really offended you the way you pretended it did when you thought it would help make Romney look good, you would denounce him with the same vigor you denounced Santorum.

I can see why you support Romney...you're just like him...no real core values or convictions...just whatever you have to say to win.

Pitiful.

What the fuck is your problem? It's my contention that Santorum views this as a religious issue. I happen to disagree with Romney on this issue. What does that have to do with me renouncing my support for his candidacy?

 

[Missourian]

I hope Missourian is just angry and not reall as stupid as he sounds above.

What do I have to angry about, I didn't just dig a ten foot hole and then proceed to fall in it.

 

[Liability]

This place is fallin' apart.

In that spirit, let me note:

In order to blame the President for porn one would have to assume that the President had some role to play in the cinematic effort.

So, I just don't want to even think about this thread.

 

[elvis]

I hope Missourian is just angry and not reall as stupid as he sounds above.

What do I have to angry about, I didn't just dig a ten foot hole and then proceed to fall in it.

There's no hole you stupid fuck. You're the one full of fallacies.

I renounce my support for Romney on this issue. Happy now?

Oh wait. I just swore. Is it legal for you to read that kind of language where you live? Our President needs to do a better job of making sure puritanical laws from the past are upheld. Forget about terrorism and the economy. We need to concentrate on what's important.

 

[mudwhistle]

I hope Missourian is just angry and not reall as stupid as he sounds above.

What do I have to angry about, I didn't just dig a ten foot hole and then proceed to fall in it.

There's no hole you stupid fuck. You're the one full of fallacies.

I renounce my support for Romney on this issue. Happy now?

Oh wait. I just swore. Is it legal for you to read that kind of language where you live? Our President needs to do a better job of making sure puritanical laws from the past are upheld. Forget about terrorism and the economy. We need to concentrate on what's important.

Try Hannity's site.

 

[Missourian]

False dilemma. Keep swinging.

IOW, what can you say, here you have been railing against enforcing our nation's obscenity laws, how evil it is and how theocratic is is to have the gall to demand that our nations obscenity laws be enforce because of blah, blah blah, faux outrage, faux outrage...and it turns out YOUR CANDIDATE has the exact same position.

Suddenly you discover you have wedged your foot firmly in your mouth.

So, what are you going to do?

Look like a hypocrite, that's what.

If this position really offended you the way you pretended it did when you thought it would help make Romney look good, you would denounce him with the same vigor you denounced Santorum.

I can see why you support Romney...you're just like him...no real core values or convictions...just whatever you have to say to win.

Pitiful.

What the fuck is your problem? It's my contention that Santorum views this as a religious issue. I happen to disagree with Romney on this issue. What does that have to do with me renouncing my support for his candidacy?

What a change of tone, you merely 'disagree' with Romney, but Santorum and Romney hold the EXACT SAME POSITION...strict enforcement of obscenity laws.

Didn't you say that you would tell people who held this position to "fuck off"?

But not Romney, can't tell Romney to fuck off, just Santorum.

It is the exact same position...they even use the exact same wording.

Now, let's see some highlights of your position.

I'm no fan of Bush, Obama, or Santorum.
and you talked of "reasonable person" and "clearly offensive" in regard to state laws. Why are these state laws in place and how do they define these terms? Who defines "community standards" and why should people be subjected to them in their own homes? If it's a state to state issue, why does Santorum want to stick his nose in a state issue?

Evidently you are no fan of Romney's, because he has the exact same position as Santorum on this issue.

Now, Am I supposed to be upset because some religious zealots who may be in my community or someone else's aren't having their religious laws upheld? It may hurt their feelings that I'm viewing something they don't approve of? Excuse me for telling them to fuck off.

Romney stated in no uncertain terms as president these laws would be strictly upheld, apparently he is a religious zealot.

In the meantime, Let's have a pity party for the religious zealots across the country whose religious laws aren't being upheld. I'd like to thank Missourian for pointing out the issue at hand.

The religious zealots like Romney, who wants to have strict enforcement of these laws, just like Santorum.

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Bottom line, it is totally hypocritical to criticize Santorum for the exact same position the candidate you support holds.







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[Missourian]

I hope Missourian is just angry and not reall as stupid as he sounds above.

What do I have to angry about, I didn't just dig a ten foot hole and then proceed to fall in it.

There's no hole you stupid fuck. You're the one full of fallacies.

I renounce my support for Romney on this issue. Happy now?

Oh wait. I just swore. Is it legal for you to read that kind of language where you live? Our President needs to do a better job of making sure puritanical laws from the past are upheld. Forget about terrorism and the economy. We need to concentrate on what's important.

Ah, the personal attacks...didn't see that coming.

Well that's my cue, the debate portion of tonights program is over.

Have a great night.

 

[elvis]

IOW, what can you say, here you have been railing against enforcing our nation's obscenity laws, how evil it is and how theocratic is is to have the gall to demand that our nations obscenity laws be enforce because of blah, blah blah, faux outrage, faux outrage...and it turns out YOUR CANDIDATE has the exact same position.

Suddenly you discover you have wedged your foot firmly in your mouth.

So, what are you going to do?

Look like a hypocrite, that's what.

If this position really offended you the way you pretended it did when you thought it would help make Romney look good, you would denounce him with the same vigor you denounced Santorum.

I can see why you support Romney...you're just like him...no real core values or convictions...just whatever you have to say to win.

Pitiful.

What the fuck is your problem? It's my contention that Santorum views this as a religious issue. I happen to disagree with Romney on this issue. What does that have to do with me renouncing my support for his candidacy?

What a change of tone, you merely 'disagree' with Romney, but Santorum and Romney hold the EXACT SAME POSITION...strict enforcement of obscenity laws.

Didn't you say that you would tell people who held this position to "fuck off"?

But not Romney, can't tell Romney to fuck off, just Santorum.

It is the exact same position...they even use the exact same wording.

Now, let's see some highlights of your position.





Evidently you are no fan of Romney's, because he has the exact same position as Santorum on this issue.

Now, Am I supposed to be upset because some religious zealots who may be in my community or someone else's aren't having their religious laws upheld? It may hurt their feelings that I'm viewing something they don't approve of? Excuse me for telling them to fuck off.

Romney stated in no uncertain terms as president these laws would be strictly upheld, apparently he is a religious zealot.

In the meantime, Let's have a pity party for the religious zealots across the country whose religious laws aren't being upheld. I'd like to thank Missourian for pointing out the issue at hand.

The religious zealots like Romney, who wants to have strict enforcement of these laws, just like Santorum.

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Bottom line, it is totally hypocritical to criticize Santorum for the exact same position the candidate you support holds.







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POint out where Romney says this is a religious issue for him. It's my contention that is one for Santorum because he doesn't believe in separation of church and state. I don't know where Romney comes from on the issue, as religion for him is a personal matter. If I disagree with my candidate on something, I'm supposed to renounce my support for him? There are other issues I disagree with Santorum on besides this one. There are many other factors that make me not want Santorum to win. Yes, I agree they say exactly the same thing on the issue, assuming your source is correct. I think it's for religious reasons for Santorum and don't know for Romney.

 

[elvis]

What do I have to angry about, I didn't just dig a ten foot hole and then proceed to fall in it.

There's no hole you stupid fuck. You're the one full of fallacies.

I renounce my support for Romney on this issue. Happy now?

Oh wait. I just swore. Is it legal for you to read that kind of language where you live? Our President needs to do a better job of making sure puritanical laws from the past are upheld. Forget about terrorism and the economy. We need to concentrate on what's important.

Ah, the personal attacks...didn't see that coming.

Well that's my cue, the debate is over. Have a great night.

Um. Who called whom a hypocrite?

 

[Missourian]

There's no hole you stupid fuck. You're the one full of fallacies.

I renounce my support for Romney on this issue. Happy now?

Oh wait. I just swore. Is it legal for you to read that kind of language where you live? Our President needs to do a better job of making sure puritanical laws from the past are upheld. Forget about terrorism and the economy. We need to concentrate on what's important.

Ah, the personal attacks...didn't see that coming.

Well that's my cue, the debate is over. Have a great night.

Um. Who called whom a hypocrite?

When you come into a thread about Santorum position to strictly uphold obscenity laws and rigorously attack him for it...and it turns out that the candidate you support holds the EXACT SAME POSITION...that is, by definition, being hypocritical.

It's a fact, not a personal attack.