Santorum blames the president for porn

[Zander]

Here we go with the double standards.

Some people aren't good at making informed decisions in the marketplace, so more regulation solves that right?

Some people aren't good at budgeting and saving for retirement, so Social Security is perfect right?

Some parents aren't good at packing nutritious lunches for their kids, so we should ban soda and candy and chips at school right?

Some people are not good at dieting, so we should ban fatty foods from store shelves right?

God damn how the fuck do some of you people call yourselves conservatives???

I am merely suggesting that we need to make it harder for children to access porn. Did I say it's the governments job?

Methinks you have a hard time understanding the difference between libertarians and conservatives....

Who do you think is going to do it? The free market? They make BILLIONS off porn in the free market, there's no way anyone but the government is going to force them to change their system in any way that might hinder business.

What's the great idea for enforcing this? How does an internet site guarantee no access to children? You can create all the requirements in the world and people are still going to get through.

There's too much money in porn to expect the market to police itself on the issue. So that leaves only government.

I like a combination of both.

I expect the free market to offer parents a way to protect their children form viewing porn on the internet. There are companies that do just that.

I expect government to make common sense regulations that are not a burden to businesses. Like showing an ID to get in a bar- yeah, some kids get a fake ID, but most don't. Government can make it a little harder... I don't want 2nd and 3rd graders looking at hardcore porn....

 

[elvis]

You should acquaint yourself with the law, so you know what you are talking about.

I'll be happy to educate you in the mean time.

A couple making a video would only be subject to state law, unless they transmitted the video by mail, internet, cable etc. across state lines.

My definition of offensive is irrelevant, the community standards are ensconced by state law. Each state is different.

Santorum's definition of obscenity is also irrelevant, the DOJ already had the task force operational under Gonzalez with the Bush Administration. Eric Holder shut it down.

Obscenity Prosecution Task Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Since you have no idea what I'm talking about, I can only assume you had no problem with this program under Bush.

I'm no fan of Bush, Obama, or Santorum.
and you talked of "reasonable person" and "clearly offensive" in regard to state laws. Why are these state laws in place and how do they define these terms? Who defines "community standards" and why should people be subjected to them in their own homes? If it's a state to state issue, why does Santorum want to stick his nose in a state issue?

I would imagine "community standards" are established by the community, i.e. local, county, state.

It becomes a federal issue when the obscene material is transmitted by mail, television, internet, etc. across state lines.

These are the same laws that give the FCC the right to fine CBS for the infamous "wardrobe malfunction".

That's what I thought regarding the federal issue. Now, Am I supposed to be upset because some religious zealots who may be in my community or someone else's aren't having their religious laws upheld? It may hurt their feelings that I'm viewing something they don't approve of? Excuse me for telling them to fuck off.

 

[Paulie]

No. It's not impossible. But "impossibility" is different, anyway, than the nonsense you had previously spewed.

I'm all ears, my man. Shoot me some ideas.

Really?

You have no notions of how the gubmint might be able to craft properly limited legislation that makes a child's access to internet porn more difficult?

I find that incredibly difficult to believe.

Dude, you're the one who thinks they should be doing it in the first place. Why would I bother to come up with ideas for something I don't even agree with? If you think they can and should pull it off, YOU come up with the ideas.

 

[Katzndogz]

obama only enforces the laws that personally appeal to him. If there isn't one, he'll make it up as he goes along.

 

[Liability]

This is an issue I have dealt with recently.

My solution was to sign them up with there own email addy Identifying them as minors, going further in telling the program what is acceptable. After careful monitoring I havent had one single incident.

Good. VERY effective -- at home. It's akin to how my wife and I handled it -- at home.

Now, when some other parents are not as knowledgeable in their own homes, and their kids have a less restricted (or unrestricted) access to the lures of the interwebz, how do we prevent our kids from seeing such material when they go over to their pals' houses?

Is it really so outrageous to contend that possibly the government might have a valid role to play in this?

Isn't this where you as a parent are supposed to meet the parents of the friends where your child goes to hang out?

Isn't that where you're supposed to inform yourself of the situation you're allowing your child to be involved in?

What you're advocating for is just another example of nanny state bullshit.

LOL.

Yeah. You're just joe practicality aren't you?

In what universe do you think any parent has the chance to meet the parents of all the kids whom their kids meet at school? I happen to know lots of my kids' friends and many of their parents. But not all. And even then, is it TRULY your belief that proper parenting requires me to grill those nice parents about their home internet policies?

And then there's the "issue" of public libraries. New York City libraries say 'checking out' porn protected by First Amendment - NYPOST.com

 

[Katzndogz]

I am merely suggesting that we need to make it harder for children to access porn. Did I say it's the governments job?

Methinks you have a hard time understanding the difference between libertarians and conservatives....

Who do you think is going to do it? The free market? They make BILLIONS off porn in the free market, there's no way anyone but the government is going to force them to change their system in any way that might hinder business.

What's the great idea for enforcing this? How does an internet site guarantee no access to children? You can create all the requirements in the world and people are still going to get through.

There's too much money in porn to expect the market to police itself on the issue. So that leaves only government.

I like a combination of both.

I expect the free market to offer parents a way to protect their children form viewing porn on the internet. There are companies that do just that.

I expect government to make common sense regulations that are not a burden to businesses. Like showing an ID to get in a bar- yeah, some kids get a fake ID, but most don't. Government can make it a little harder... I don't want 2nd and 3rd graders looking at hardcore porn....

You may not want second and third graders looking at hardcore porn, but obama DOES.

 

[mudwhistle]

 

[Paulie]

I am merely suggesting that we need to make it harder for children to access porn. Did I say it's the governments job?

Methinks you have a hard time understanding the difference between libertarians and conservatives....

Who do you think is going to do it? The free market? They make BILLIONS off porn in the free market, there's no way anyone but the government is going to force them to change their system in any way that might hinder business.

What's the great idea for enforcing this? How does an internet site guarantee no access to children? You can create all the requirements in the world and people are still going to get through.

There's too much money in porn to expect the market to police itself on the issue. So that leaves only government.

I like a combination of both.

I expect the free market to offer parents a way to protect their children form viewing porn on the internet. There are companies that do just that.

I expect government to make common sense regulations that are not a burden to businesses. Like showing an ID to get in a bar- yeah, some kids get a fake ID, but most don't. Government can make it a little harder... I don't want 2nd and 3rd graders looking at hardcore porn....

There's just no way to effectively ID someone on the internet. At a bar, I can see if it's you or not. On the internet you can claim to be anyone.

And apparently there's SOOO many people who don't have ID's in this country, if you look at the argument over voter ID laws, so imagine the market you're alienating by requiring ID to simple access a website?

I just don't see how it's practical. Like you said, the free market provided solutions. Now it's up the parents to put them to work.

You don't know what your kid might see at his friend's house? Go meet the parents and be informed of the situation your child is going into before you allow them to go there.

It's not the government's job to babysit your child when they leave the house.

 

[Katzndogz]

PLASTIC

But, just as good.

 

[Peach]

If not for the internet, how are kids going to learn about sex?

Look. We learned in the gutter. So can they.

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I see no government "solution". Perhaps nature will continue taking its course?

 

[Paulie]

Good. VERY effective -- at home. It's akin to how my wife and I handled it -- at home.

Now, when some other parents are not as knowledgeable in their own homes, and their kids have a less restricted (or unrestricted) access to the lures of the interwebz, how do we prevent our kids from seeing such material when they go over to their pals' houses?

Is it really so outrageous to contend that possibly the government might have a valid role to play in this?

Isn't this where you as a parent are supposed to meet the parents of the friends where your child goes to hang out?

Isn't that where you're supposed to inform yourself of the situation you're allowing your child to be involved in?

What you're advocating for is just another example of nanny state bullshit.

LOL.

Yeah. You're just joe practicality aren't you?

In what universe do you think any parent has the chance to meet the parents of all the kids whom their kids meet at school? I happen to know lots of my kids' friends and many of their parents. But not all. And even then, is it TRULY your belief that proper parenting requires me to grill those nice parents about their home internet policies?

Are you fucking kidding me? Your damn fucking RIGHT you should ask their parents about that. If they're unwilling to accomodate you with peace of mind then it's not a place your child should be hanging out in the first place.

Grow a set of balls and ask the simple question.

 

[Paulie]

How fucking hard is it to ask your kid's friends' parents if they have internet content filters, because you're concerned that in the event they surf the internet unsupervised, they may do what boys do and try to look at unacceptable content?

You sound like a pussy, I'm not gonna lie.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Also immportant to remember is that Santorum would rid the country of that danged pesky little First Amendment.

Yep, that's probably the first thing this idiot would do.

Problem is, rw's don't understand what the First Amendment really means. Some time ago, I read of a poll where 78% of Repubs polled said that there should be some controls on what American news media can print/broadcast/report etc.

....Per the....

....Evangelical Patriarchy.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I want smaller government, period. I can't vote for Santorum.

 

[Paulie]

I'm outta here, but do yourself a favor...when you ask the kid's parents you probably don't wanna start right off from jump street with "nice to meet you, the kids won't be watching any squirting videos online right?". A simple hand shake, maybe some politics or sports talk, business or whatever...build a rapport and then simply seek the peace of mind you need.

Fucking human relations 101. Be a damn parent you fucking pussy!



peace....

 

[nitroz]

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inb4 santorum arrests me

 

[Liability]

I'm outta here, but do yourself a favor...when you ask the kid's parents you probably don't wanna start right off from jump street with "nice to meet you, the kids won't be watching any squirting videos online right?". A simple hand shake, maybe some politics or sports talk, business or whatever...build a rapport and then simply seek the peace of mind you need.

Fucking human relations 101. Be a damn parent you fucking pussy!



peace....

That was a whole series of douchey comments from Paulie.

Not unexpected.

Stop BEING A pussy, douche-wad.

 

[rightwinger]

If not for the internet, how are kids going to learn about sex?

Look. We learned in the gutter. So can they.

I'm 55 and I still haven't talked to my parents about sex

When my kids asked questions about sex, I told them......Google it

 

[elvis]

In the meantime, Let's have a pity party for the religious zealots across the country whose religious laws aren't being upheld. I'd like to thank Missourian for pointing out the issue at hand.

 

[Katzndogz]

One of my areas of legal practice has been in the porn industry. Porn stars and porn filmmakers. I've been to their homes. There has been not a single one that I know that allows their childen unsupervised access to the internet. There are no computers in the rooms of their children. It's in the living room or den where the parents (active in the porn industry) watch everything on that screen.

There is no kind of filter that can replace a parental eye. Of course the parents have to care about that. Liberal parents think that early and frequent exposure to hard core sexual content is necessary to their children's development.