Salon on Trump and the GOP: "A party too timid to denounce a bigoted gasbag"

[tinydancer]

Gee, Trump points out the obvious that the US needs a guarded border and that it needs to screen immigrants and deal with illegal aliens and that makes him a monster?

Well, he did go well beyond that and called them rapists, murderers, etc. Some are but he painted with a very broad brush. It might have served him at his day job but it was stupid to be that polemic at the public mic.

First off he clearly stated that he was not talking about all illegal aliens being rapists and murderers.

On the other hand by being in the USA illegally we can chalk up the simple fact that they are all engaged in a criminal act correct?

And if Trump were to not be as brash and bold and just nail an issue to the wall, he wouldn't be "the Donald".

If all of a sudden Trump became just another mamby pamby politician he wouldn't attract the attention that he is garnering.

I'm thrilled he's in the race. Let the shit fly and see how this election rolls. One thing for certain, it won't be boring now.

 

[tinydancer]

...the US needs a guarded border...

to keep scum like this out..,

Francisco Sanchez has seven felony convictions and has been deported five times, most recently in 2009, a federal agency said Friday. He was arrested about an hour after Wednesday's seemingly random slaying of Kathryn Steinle at Pier 14 — one of the busiest attractions in the city.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Feds San Francisco Pier Shooting Suspect Deported 5 Times

we are told by the lliberliar media the cops shoot and kill innocent people all the time , but when the cops should shoot and kill some dirt bag they do not.., and why not...., oooh shit !!....., i forgot, it is San Fagcisco

The police actually released this son of a bitch without informing ICE.

And ICE is pissed.

 

[mikegriffith1]

This is an interesting write-up. It's a form of OP-ED in Salon:

GOP s baffling Trump cowardice A party too timid to denounce a bigoted gasbag - Salon.com

Simon Maloy has noticed what millions and millions and millions of Americans are noticing:

Just about every second of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, such as it is, has been a disaster. He kicked off his campaign two weeks ago with a speech calling Mexican immigrants criminals and “rapists,” and he’s been dealing with the blowback ever since....

...But what I find curious about the reaction to Trump’s blatant racism and anti-immigrant posturing is that not one Republican has stood up and done literally the easiest, least controversial, most politically buzzy thing one could do in this situation: denounce Donald Trump.

Seriously, it’s utterly baffling. Let’s think about this for a moment. The Republican Party is painfully aware that it has a major problem appealing to voter demographics outside its core coalition of old white people and religious white people. This problem is especially acute in presidential election cycles — like the one we’re in now. Recognizing how toxic this alienation of minority groups was in the 2012 presidential race, the Republican National Committee put out a big report explicitly recommending that the party’s candidates and committees do more to reach out to and engage with Latino voters and make them feel less like the GOP actively despises them. “If Hispanic Americans perceive that a GOP nominee or candidate does not want them in the United States (i.e. self-deportation),” the report counseled, “they will not pay attention to our next sentence.”

In this light, Trump’s comments should have been a big, fat, hanging curve for an enterprising Republican 2016 candidate to swing hard at. What he said was bigoted; there’s no disagreement on that. As far as adversaries go, you could do worse than Trump – he is a semi-sentient pile of hair and sadness, he has no feelings to hurt, and by being on the opposite side of him you win the argument by default. And what he said has nothing to do with immigration policy. By weighing in on it you wouldn’t be taking any dangerous positions you’d later have to defend. And the media would eat that mess up.

All you’d have to do is just stand up and say Trump is wrong and a racist, and that undocumented immigrants are not all rapists. It would be a small step toward demonstrating that Republicans recognize the basic humanity of the people at the center of a controversial policy fight and don’t view them merely as criminals or some sort of invasive species.

But no one did that.

The most outrage the RNC could muster came from its communications director, who said on CNN that “painting Mexican Americans with that kind of a brush, I think that’s probably something that is not helpful to the cause.”

So, with Trump, the GOP is in even more of a conundrum in 2016 than it was in 2012, and that against the first female nominee of a major party. If there was ever a year when the GOP would need to score a major breakthrough with Latino voters, 2016 would be the year.

By not condemning Trump's bigoted hatred of Latinos, 2016 GOPers are tactitly lending him support and they will pay for it later. I can see it coming now:

Journalist, to GOP nominee: "When Donald Trump called Latinos 'rapists' and 'murderers', you said nothing. Why did you not denounce this kind of hatred?"

GOP nominee: "Uhm, er, äääähm, BEGHAZI! Cankles! Murkah!"

President Obama won 71% of the Latino vote in 2012. Hillary is set to hit 80% of said vote in 2016, especially if these trends continue. That takes New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado completely off the table and puts both Arizona and Texas seriously into play. There is also a large Latino community in Georgia, now ripe-hanging fruit for 2012.

By being so short-sighted, the GOP is destroying it's own future and relegating itself to become a regional party in presidential politics.

If you think that Latinos are not paying attention to this whole scene, think again.

The Republicans of 2015 are truly stupid people when they don't denounce something as obvious as this.

Discuss. There is more at the op-ed to read.

What a pack of lies and distortion. You are a lying Nazi. Trump does not "hate" Latinos, and his comment about illegal aliens, when read with an ounce of reason and context, is not "bigoted" in the slightest.

 

[rightwinger]

Gee, Trump points out the obvious that the US needs a guarded border and that it needs to screen immigrants and deal with illegal aliens and that makes him a monster?

Well, he did go well beyond that and called them rapists, murderers, etc. Some are but he painted with a very broad brush. It might have served him at his day job but it was stupid to be that polemic at the public mic.

First off he clearly stated that he was not talking about all illegal aliens being rapists and murderers.

On the other hand by being in the USA illegally we can chalk up the simple fact that they are all engaged in a criminal act correct?

And if Trump were to not be as brash and bold and just nail an issue to the wall, he wouldn't be "the Donald".

If all of a sudden Trump became just another mamby pamby politician he wouldn't attract the attention that he is garnering.

I'm thrilled he's in the race. Let the shit fly and see how this election rolls. One thing for certain, it won't be boring now.

I too am thrilled Trump is in the race

Let him bring his party down with him

 

[defcon4]

This is an interesting write-up. It's a form of OP-ED in Salon:

GOP s baffling Trump cowardice A party too timid to denounce a bigoted gasbag - Salon.com

Simon Maloy has noticed what millions and millions and millions of Americans are noticing:

Just about every second of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, such as it is, has been a disaster. He kicked off his campaign two weeks ago with a speech calling Mexican immigrants criminals and “rapists,” and he’s been dealing with the blowback ever since....

...But what I find curious about the reaction to Trump’s blatant racism and anti-immigrant posturing is that not one Republican has stood up and done literally the easiest, least controversial, most politically buzzy thing one could do in this situation: denounce Donald Trump.

Seriously, it’s utterly baffling. Let’s think about this for a moment. The Republican Party is painfully aware that it has a major problem appealing to voter demographics outside its core coalition of old white people and religious white people. This problem is especially acute in presidential election cycles — like the one we’re in now. Recognizing how toxic this alienation of minority groups was in the 2012 presidential race, the Republican National Committee put out a big report explicitly recommending that the party’s candidates and committees do more to reach out to and engage with Latino voters and make them feel less like the GOP actively despises them. “If Hispanic Americans perceive that a GOP nominee or candidate does not want them in the United States (i.e. self-deportation),” the report counseled, “they will not pay attention to our next sentence.”

In this light, Trump’s comments should have been a big, fat, hanging curve for an enterprising Republican 2016 candidate to swing hard at. What he said was bigoted; there’s no disagreement on that. As far as adversaries go, you could do worse than Trump – he is a semi-sentient pile of hair and sadness, he has no feelings to hurt, and by being on the opposite side of him you win the argument by default. And what he said has nothing to do with immigration policy. By weighing in on it you wouldn’t be taking any dangerous positions you’d later have to defend. And the media would eat that mess up.

All you’d have to do is just stand up and say Trump is wrong and a racist, and that undocumented immigrants are not all rapists. It would be a small step toward demonstrating that Republicans recognize the basic humanity of the people at the center of a controversial policy fight and don’t view them merely as criminals or some sort of invasive species.

But no one did that.

The most outrage the RNC could muster came from its communications director, who said on CNN that “painting Mexican Americans with that kind of a brush, I think that’s probably something that is not helpful to the cause.”

So, with Trump, the GOP is in even more of a conundrum in 2016 than it was in 2012, and that against the first female nominee of a major party. If there was ever a year when the GOP would need to score a major breakthrough with Latino voters, 2016 would be the year.

By not condemning Trump's bigoted hatred of Latinos, 2016 GOPers are tactitly lending him support and they will pay for it later. I can see it coming now:

Journalist, to GOP nominee: "When Donald Trump called Latinos 'rapists' and 'murderers', you said nothing. Why did you not denounce this kind of hatred?"

GOP nominee: "Uhm, er, äääähm, BEGHAZI! Cankles! Murkah!"

President Obama won 71% of the Latino vote in 2012. Hillary is set to hit 80% of said vote in 2016, especially if these trends continue. That takes New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado completely off the table and puts both Arizona and Texas seriously into play. There is also a large Latino community in Georgia, now ripe-hanging fruit for 2012.

By being so short-sighted, the GOP is destroying it's own future and relegating itself to become a regional party in presidential politics.

If you think that Latinos are not paying attention to this whole scene, think again.

The Republicans of 2015 are truly stupid people when they don't denounce something as obvious as this.

Discuss. There is more at the op-ed to read.

What a pack of lies and distortion. You are a lying Nazi. Trump does not "hate" Latinos, and his comment about illegal aliens, when read with an ounce of reason and context, is not "bigoted" in the slightest.

The Nazi part is not true about Stat. Look at the Hebrew text on his avatar.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

It took almost a week but some have come out against Trump's bloviating.

Not surprising that Cruz agreed with him.

Thing is, many RWs will make excuses for Trump because they believe what he said is true.

We know that there is now net zero illegals coming from the south but the willfully ignorant still believe they're pouring over the border by the millions. They need someone to blame for their own failures in life and this is a convenient lie.

I hope Trump keeps expelling hot air ...

 

[defcon4]

Fir

Let him bring his party down with him

First, look at message #8. Then, many wouldn't mind to bring either or both of the hegemonic parties down.

 

[Stephanie]

Anyone who would bring that garbage site (salon) onto this board. You know is someone who hates us and has the same hateful mentality as they do over there

sickening site. DO NOT go there and give them any support if you care about yourself and your country

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We lost Salon. Oh, Dear, how shall we go on?

 

[gipper]

It appears to be considered bigoted if you speak the truth, in America today.

 

[defcon4]

hahaha… look at the libs. They have new marching orders to parrot phrases such as: "We hope Trump stays in the race because he cannot win…."
Meantime they are really afraid, even terrified of Trump's message resonating with a growing number of voters.

 

[chikenwing]

Thread fail. The GOP is made of individuals, they aren't in the Oval Office so there is no one leader but candidates have come out, pretty much everyone on the subject has denounced Trump's comments.

Are you guys really this desperate?

They are ,along with childish and petty.
When will these bright sparks denounce their fellow progressives,that claim white males are more dangerous than ISIS,or that repubs hate women,or all the other absurd things that come out of their yaps,but integrity isn't part of their make up.

 

[Stephanie]

this is what TRUMP is talking about. We the people should be all rallying behind him instead you have sites like Salon trying to tell you who you should be supporting and not supporting. THEY CAN all go to hell along with this fellow below:


SNIP:

Murder Suspect Deported Several Times Before Latest Crime
Out on probation as well
7.3.2015
News
Brian Lilley
134

The man accused of shooting and killing a woman out for a night with her family had been deported to Mexico five times and was no stranger to law enforcement in the United States according to San Francisco's local ABC affiliate. Francisco Sanchez, 45 is facing murder charges after 32 year-old Kathryn Steinle was shot in what appears to be a random act of violence.

Police say Sanchez is on probation in Texas. ABC7 News sources tell us he's been deported to Mexico several times and that his rap sheet includes aggravated assault.

Steinle was walking along the pedestrian Pier 14 in San Francisco at around 6:30pm when she was shot on Wednesday night.

In the meantime, the victim's family is in shock. The victim's brother, Brad Steinle, says his sister loved to make people laugh and smile, and that he'll miss everything about her. "We loved Kate, and I will love her till the day I die," he said.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials confirm that they had previously put an immigration detainer order on Sanchez but the San Francisco police department refused to honor it citing a policy adopted last year. Breitbart News obtained a statement from ICE indicating what happened.

all of it here:
Murder Suspect Deported Several Times Before Latest Crime Truth Revolt

 

[rightwinger]

It took almost a week but some have come out against Trump's bloviating.

Not surprising that Cruz agreed with him.

Thing is, many RWs will make excuses for Trump because they believe what he said is true.

We know that there is now net zero illegals coming from the south but the willfully ignorant still believe they're pouring over the border by the millions. They need someone to blame for their own failures in life and this is a convenient lie.

I hope Trump keeps expelling hot air ...

Trump is on a roll....let him keep talking

Republican candidates may disavow what Trump is saying, but they can't disavow the Republican base that agrees with him

Why would any Hispanic want to vote Republican?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Only mindless drones use Salon. Nasty, nasty left loons on that site.

 

[Stephanie]

Thread fail. The GOP is made of individuals, they aren't in the Oval Office so there is no one leader but candidates have come out, pretty much everyone on the subject has denounced Trump's comments.

Are you guys really this desperate?

They are ,along with childish and petty.
When will these bright sparks denounce their fellow progressives,that claim white males are more dangerous than ISIS,or that repubs hate women,or all the other absurd things that come out of their yaps,but integrity isn't part of their make up.

THANK you. they won't. they let them say whatever the hell they want. Even calling the people in this country: teabaggers. terrorist, deniers, birthers, hostage takers and their ugly nasty goes on and on. And they're wailing over Trump. this better be a wake up. this is coming from Mexico and their traitors to our country from the Democrat party and their supporters from UNIVISION

 

[Correll]

It took almost a week but some have come out against Trump's bloviating.

Not surprising that Cruz agreed with him.

Thing is, many RWs will make excuses for Trump because they believe what he said is true.

We know that there is now net zero illegals coming from the south but the willfully ignorant still believe they're pouring over the border by the millions. They need someone to blame for their own failures in life and this is a convenient lie.

I hope Trump keeps expelling hot air ...

Trump is on a roll....let him keep talking

Republican candidates may disavow what Trump is saying, but they can't disavow the Republican base that agrees with him

Why would any Hispanic want to vote Republican?

Because they don't want this nation to turn into a Third World shit hole?

 

[rightwinger]

hahaha… look at the libs. They have new marching orders to parrot phrases such as: "We hope Trump stays in the race because he cannot win…."
Meantime they are really afraid, even terrified of Trump's message resonating with a growing number of voters.

Why would anyone fear Trumps message of hate?

Gives Dems a chance to paint the entire GOP with a broad brush

See how Teapublicans are?

 

[TooTall]

This is an interesting write-up. It's a form of OP-ED in Salon:

GOP s baffling Trump cowardice A party too timid to denounce a bigoted gasbag - Salon.com

Simon Maloy has noticed what millions and millions and millions of Americans are noticing:

Just about every second of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, such as it is, has been a disaster. He kicked off his campaign two weeks ago with a speech calling Mexican immigrants criminals and “rapists,” and he’s been dealing with the blowback ever since....

...But what I find curious about the reaction to Trump’s blatant racism and anti-immigrant posturing is that not one Republican has stood up and done literally the easiest, least controversial, most politically buzzy thing one could do in this situation: denounce Donald Trump.

Seriously, it’s utterly baffling. Let’s think about this for a moment. The Republican Party is painfully aware that it has a major problem appealing to voter demographics outside its core coalition of old white people and religious white people. This problem is especially acute in presidential election cycles — like the one we’re in now. Recognizing how toxic this alienation of minority groups was in the 2012 presidential race, the Republican National Committee put out a big report explicitly recommending that the party’s candidates and committees do more to reach out to and engage with Latino voters and make them feel less like the GOP actively despises them. “If Hispanic Americans perceive that a GOP nominee or candidate does not want them in the United States (i.e. self-deportation),” the report counseled, “they will not pay attention to our next sentence.”

In this light, Trump’s comments should have been a big, fat, hanging curve for an enterprising Republican 2016 candidate to swing hard at. What he said was bigoted; there’s no disagreement on that. As far as adversaries go, you could do worse than Trump – he is a semi-sentient pile of hair and sadness, he has no feelings to hurt, and by being on the opposite side of him you win the argument by default. And what he said has nothing to do with immigration policy. By weighing in on it you wouldn’t be taking any dangerous positions you’d later have to defend. And the media would eat that mess up.

All you’d have to do is just stand up and say Trump is wrong and a racist, and that undocumented immigrants are not all rapists. It would be a small step toward demonstrating that Republicans recognize the basic humanity of the people at the center of a controversial policy fight and don’t view them merely as criminals or some sort of invasive species.

But no one did that.

The most outrage the RNC could muster came from its communications director, who said on CNN that “painting Mexican Americans with that kind of a brush, I think that’s probably something that is not helpful to the cause.”

So, with Trump, the GOP is in even more of a conundrum in 2016 than it was in 2012, and that against the first female nominee of a major party. If there was ever a year when the GOP would need to score a major breakthrough with Latino voters, 2016 would be the year.

By not condemning Trump's bigoted hatred of Latinos, 2016 GOPers are tactitly lending him support and they will pay for it later. I can see it coming now:

Journalist, to GOP nominee: "When Donald Trump called Latinos 'rapists' and 'murderers', you said nothing. Why did you not denounce this kind of hatred?"

GOP nominee: "Uhm, er, äääähm, BEGHAZI! Cankles! Murkah!"

President Obama won 71% of the Latino vote in 2012. Hillary is set to hit 80% of said vote in 2016, especially if these trends continue. That takes New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado completely off the table and puts both Arizona and Texas seriously into play. There is also a large Latino community in Georgia, now ripe-hanging fruit for 2012.

By being so short-sighted, the GOP is destroying it's own future and relegating itself to become a regional party in presidential politics.

If you think that Latinos are not paying attention to this whole scene, think again.

The Republicans of 2015 are truly stupid people when they don't denounce something as obvious as this.


Discuss. There is more at the op-ed to read.

Not a single illegal alien will vote for Trump.

 

[Statistikhengst]

This is an interesting write-up. It's a form of OP-ED in Salon:

GOP s baffling Trump cowardice A party too timid to denounce a bigoted gasbag - Salon.com

Simon Maloy has noticed what millions and millions and millions of Americans are noticing:

Just about every second of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, such as it is, has been a disaster. He kicked off his campaign two weeks ago with a speech calling Mexican immigrants criminals and “rapists,” and he’s been dealing with the blowback ever since....

...But what I find curious about the reaction to Trump’s blatant racism and anti-immigrant posturing is that not one Republican has stood up and done literally the easiest, least controversial, most politically buzzy thing one could do in this situation: denounce Donald Trump.

Seriously, it’s utterly baffling. Let’s think about this for a moment. The Republican Party is painfully aware that it has a major problem appealing to voter demographics outside its core coalition of old white people and religious white people. This problem is especially acute in presidential election cycles — like the one we’re in now. Recognizing how toxic this alienation of minority groups was in the 2012 presidential race, the Republican National Committee put out a big report explicitly recommending that the party’s candidates and committees do more to reach out to and engage with Latino voters and make them feel less like the GOP actively despises them. “If Hispanic Americans perceive that a GOP nominee or candidate does not want them in the United States (i.e. self-deportation),” the report counseled, “they will not pay attention to our next sentence.”

In this light, Trump’s comments should have been a big, fat, hanging curve for an enterprising Republican 2016 candidate to swing hard at. What he said was bigoted; there’s no disagreement on that. As far as adversaries go, you could do worse than Trump – he is a semi-sentient pile of hair and sadness, he has no feelings to hurt, and by being on the opposite side of him you win the argument by default. And what he said has nothing to do with immigration policy. By weighing in on it you wouldn’t be taking any dangerous positions you’d later have to defend. And the media would eat that mess up.

All you’d have to do is just stand up and say Trump is wrong and a racist, and that undocumented immigrants are not all rapists. It would be a small step toward demonstrating that Republicans recognize the basic humanity of the people at the center of a controversial policy fight and don’t view them merely as criminals or some sort of invasive species.

But no one did that.

The most outrage the RNC could muster came from its communications director, who said on CNN that “painting Mexican Americans with that kind of a brush, I think that’s probably something that is not helpful to the cause.”

So, with Trump, the GOP is in even more of a conundrum in 2016 than it was in 2012, and that against the first female nominee of a major party. If there was ever a year when the GOP would need to score a major breakthrough with Latino voters, 2016 would be the year.

By not condemning Trump's bigoted hatred of Latinos, 2016 GOPers are tactitly lending him support and they will pay for it later. I can see it coming now:

Journalist, to GOP nominee: "When Donald Trump called Latinos 'rapists' and 'murderers', you said nothing. Why did you not denounce this kind of hatred?"

GOP nominee: "Uhm, er, äääähm, BEGHAZI! Cankles! Murkah!"

President Obama won 71% of the Latino vote in 2012. Hillary is set to hit 80% of said vote in 2016, especially if these trends continue. That takes New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado completely off the table and puts both Arizona and Texas seriously into play. There is also a large Latino community in Georgia, now ripe-hanging fruit for 2012.

By being so short-sighted, the GOP is destroying it's own future and relegating itself to become a regional party in presidential politics.

If you think that Latinos are not paying attention to this whole scene, think again.

The Republicans of 2015 are truly stupid people when they don't denounce something as obvious as this.


Discuss. There is more at the op-ed to read.

Not a single illegal alien will vote for Trump.

Irrelevant. Illegal aliens don't vote, anyway.

It's the Latinos who are LEGAL US citizens that you should be worried about, because after all of this shit, there is not way that more than 20% are going to consider a GOP candidate, much less vote for him.