Rumsfeld's War

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    After viewing this piece, you gain insight into the dynamics and inner workings of the Administration and Pentagon.
    The ghost of Vietnam is looming in the background. Many of these “Ol Boys” who had their hands in Vietnam appear to have undue influence on the show in Iraq today.

    The story suggest, we find ourselves again getting bogged down in War, due to Civilian planner interference, either they have not learned past lessons, which would suggest incompetence. Or the intent from the beginning was to break things so you can later offer a solution to fix them. These are the only logical conclusions I could arrive at for now.

    I recognized more of the Civilian sector patterns of sidestepping, going around, and steam rolling right over the experts. When the competent experts did not come onboard and follow the game plan, they just found an incompetent stooge who would and replaced them
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    This Planning went against the Powell Doctrine; he opposed many things and was shut out.
    I can’t wait to hear what he has to say after the election, and for the books to come out about this.
     
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    Rumsfeld is unpopular to many in the miliary because he dared to change it. The military was caught up in a cold-war mentality and the Generals wanted to have large, slow moving, heavy armour units. Rummy came in and said, BS, we are going to change all this and he did. A lot of generals were upset and quit over it. Ask anybody STILL in the military (officers especially) and they will tell you the military is MUCH better than it was. I read Franks' book and he covers this a lot and he supports Rummy 100%.
     
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    White Knight. Our armed services are controlled by civilians. By law, by intention. You make it sound as if rumsfeld is overstepping his bounds; he's not. The civilian leadership is in no way bound to do what the career military says. So give it a rest, would ya? There's nothing to see here.
     
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    I like some of his changes also; it was a very stagnant old guard system.
    He has made many improvements.
     
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    i like how he has convinced the navy to go to a new fleet response system. no longer do carrier battle groups go out for six months at a time for no reason at all sometimes, they go out for however long it takes to get a job done (show of force, training exercise, war, intervention)

    in other words, the rest of the navy has become just like us here in japan, ready to deploy whenever, wherever, whatever
     
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    Seriously NATO, you like beinging at the ready 24/7?

    After seeing your Post about the investigation of Halliburton, I thought of another reason to go to War unprepared, and prolong it, Make lots of money for your network of friends, Just like they did in Vietnam.
     
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    haha, oh i don't like being ready 24/7, but if i have to be, damnit the rest of the navy will be too. they don't go through one-tenth of what we go through here, and its about time they started living and serving in the post 9/11 navy like we have for the last 3 years. when we have to work together in the future, we have to be on the same page and they need to be close to our level of effeciency and performance.
     
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    Would you rather the reconstruction work be outsourced to our pseudoallies?
     
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    Frontline was great....it should have been on in prime time, I watched from 10 to 11:30, I dont suppose some of the people that needed to see it got the chance.
     
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    Ha! This is the show I mentioned watching in the "Politically Incorrect sucked" thread.

    It would have been funny if it weren't actually an insidious piece of left-wing propaganda whose sole purpose is to hurt the President's re-election effort.

    If the roles were reversed the DNC would be hiring lawyers and encouraging a boycott.
     

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