Rudy Blasts Obama's Idiotic Move

[Vast LWC]

Yeah, here's the thing about Bush...

Aside from people being upset over the whole losing the election thing, which really wasn't Bush's fault exactly, just a bad set of circumstances, people weren't all that hard on Bush, aside from a few criticisms here and there, until he really started to fuck things up.

Which was a good 2-3 years into his first term.

In fact, Bush had near universal support and approval immediately following 9/11.

You see, there was a REASON why people hated on W. He fucked up, big time, and people turned on him for it.

In Obama's case, however, you all have been screaming about how he's a "Socialist, Nazi, Fascist" since Day 1.

Hell, he still really hasn't done anything wrong yet. The situation our economy is in still hasn't receovered from the Bush years. The two wars we're in were started by Bush.

But if people were to listen to your insane rhetoric, he's pretty much the Anti-Christ.

You pick on the tiniest minutae of everything the man does and make a big deal out of it, whining and criticizing to no end about it.

That's why South Park, SNL, and all the other comedy outlets are making fun of you now. You're acting like a bunch of certifiable psychotics.

Your a fuckin ditz....they were after him from the time that he was elected....remember the "stolen election"? Get a reality check.
The only problem I have with obama is his policies, period.I didn't have a problem with him bowing, I'm not a birther.
I do have a problem with the msm, and their journalism abilities, and I have problems with the partisan hacks like yourself, Vast......but with Obama it's just his policies.
So take your drivel, and pander it elsewhere, OK?

Yes, I do in fact remember the "Stolen Election" thing, as I mentioned in the the post that you were responding to (see the first bolded paragraph).

Which of course, was not a criticism of Bush directly, but a criticism of the election process and the way it was handled.

Bush really didn't have much to do with that, now did he? So how would that be a criticism of Bush? Hmmm?

And you call ME a "partisan hack", but you're the one who seems to be trying to paint every media outlet on the planet that doesn't agree with you as some sort of (ahem) Vast Left-Wing conspiracy, which you and your right-wing partisan hack buddies have nick-named the "MSM". (The "MSM" of course being all media but Murdoch's media and Talk Radio)

Now, you say you're not a "Birther", yet you claim Obama has not presented the proper birth credentials (which he did) and that George Bush did (though he presented the same stuff Obama did).

You claim you have a problem with Obama's "policies" without elaborating on what specific policies those might be.

Forgive me for doubting your "non-partisan" nature, but it would seem there's good reason for me to do so.

 

[Meister]

Yeah, here's the thing about Bush...

Aside from people being upset over the whole losing the election thing, which really wasn't Bush's fault exactly, just a bad set of circumstances, people weren't all that hard on Bush, aside from a few criticisms here and there, until he really started to fuck things up.

Which was a good 2-3 years into his first term.

In fact, Bush had near universal support and approval immediately following 9/11.

You see, there was a REASON why people hated on W. He fucked up, big time, and people turned on him for it.

In Obama's case, however, you all have been screaming about how he's a "Socialist, Nazi, Fascist" since Day 1.

Hell, he still really hasn't done anything wrong yet. The situation our economy is in still hasn't receovered from the Bush years. The two wars we're in were started by Bush.

But if people were to listen to your insane rhetoric, he's pretty much the Anti-Christ.

You pick on the tiniest minutae of everything the man does and make a big deal out of it, whining and criticizing to no end about it.

That's why South Park, SNL, and all the other comedy outlets are making fun of you now. You're acting like a bunch of certifiable psychotics.

Your a fuckin ditz....they were after him from the time that he was elected....remember the "stolen election"? Get a reality check.
The only problem I have with obama is his policies, period.I didn't have a problem with him bowing, I'm not a birther.
I do have a problem with the msm, and their journalism abilities, and I have problems with the partisan hacks like yourself, Vast......but with Obama it's just his policies.
So take your drivel, and pander it elsewhere, OK?

Yes, I do in fact remember the "Stolen Election" thing, as I mentioned in the the post that you were responding to (see the first bolded paragraph).

Which of course, was not a criticism of Bush directly, but a criticism of the election process and the way it was handled.

Bush really didn't have much to do with that, now did he? So how would that be a criticism of Bush? Hmmm?

And you call ME a "partisan hack", but you're the one who seems to be trying to paint every media outlet on the planet that doesn't agree with you as some sort of (ahem) Vast Left-Wing conspiracy, which you and your right-wing partisan hack buddies have nick-named the "MSM". (The "MSM" of course being all media but Murdoch's media and Talk Radio)

Now, you say you're not a "Birther", yet you claim Obama has not presented the proper birth credentials (which he did) and that George Bush did (though he presented the same stuff Obama did).

You claim you have a problem with Obama's "policies" without elaborating on what specific policies those might be.

Forgive me for doubting your "non-partisan" nature, but it would seem there's good reason for me to do so.

Spin your drivel however you want, because I tend to ignore shit except for when I step in it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

These cases are unchartered waters - they are attempting to set new precedence and as such, a very high probability for failure - needlessly so.

Add yourself to the ongoing study group in self-educating on this particular terrorist civilian trial case.

Now get to work...

In other words you have no evidence of what I highlighted.

I completely agree with that highlighted sentence.

Now get to work...

The highlighted sentence was your claim, quit trolling and provide some evidence for it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama and Libruls are total fucking morons:

1. Was Khalid Mohammad properly Mirandized?
2. Will he be able to access NSA and CIA files during Discovery?
3. Do you see why Obama and Libruls are such fucking morons?
4. If his confession was coerced it is inadmissable in a court of law you fucking morons
5. Isn't it obvious how totally fucking moronic Obama and his Librul Legions of Mindless Zombies are?

 

[Sinatra]

Are We at War -- or Not?

By Pat Buchanan

For if we are at war, why is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed headed for trial in federal court in the Southern District of New York? Why is he entitled to a presumption of innocence and all of the constitutional protections of a U.S. citizen?

Is it possible we have done an injustice to this man by keeping him locked up all these years without trial? For that is what this trial implies -- that he may not be guilty.

And if we must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that KSM was complicit in mass murder, by what right do we send Predators and Special Forces to kill his al-Qaida comrades wherever we find them? For none of them has been granted a fair trial.

...When the Justice Department sets up a task force to wage war on a crime organization like the Mafia or MS-13, no U.S. official has a right to shoot Mafia or gang members on sight. No one has a right to bomb their homes. No one has a right to regard the possible death of their wives and children in an attack as acceptable collateral damage.

Yet that is what we do to al-Qaida, to which KSM belongs.

We conduct those strikes in good conscience because we believe we are at war. But if we are at war, what is KSM doing in a U.S. court?

...When John Wilkes Booth shot Abraham Lincoln, alleged collaborators like Mary Surratt were tried before a military tribunal and hanged at Ft. McNair. When eight German saboteurs were caught in 1942 after being put ashore by U-boat, they were tried in secret before a military commission and executed, with the approval of the Supreme Court. What makes KSM special?

Is the Obama administration aware of what it is risking by not turning KSM over to a military tribunal in Guantanamo?

How does Justice handle a defense demand for a change of venue, far from lower Manhattan, where the jury pool was most deeply traumatized by Sept. 11? Would not KSM and his co-defendants, if a change of venue is denied, have a powerful argument for overturning any conviction on appeal?

Were not KSM's Miranda rights impinged when he was not only not told he could have a lawyer on capture, but that his family would be killed and he would be water-boarded if he refused to talk?

...There have been reports that in the trials of those convicted in the first World Trade Center bombing, sources and methods were compromised, weakening our security for the second attack on Sept. 11.

What do we do if the case against KSM is thrown out because the government refuses to reveal sources or methods, or if he gets a hung jury, or is acquitted, or has his conviction overturned?

In America, trials often become games, where the prosecution, though it has truth on its side, loses because it inadvertently breaks one of the rules.

The Obamaites had best pray that does not happen, for they may be betting his presidency on the outcome of the game about to begin.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/17/are_we_at_war_or_not.html

 

[Chris]

Obama and Libruls are total fucking morons:

1. Was Khalid Mohammad properly Mirandized?
2. Will he be able to access NSA and CIA files during Discovery?
3. Do you see why Obama and Libruls are such fucking morons?
4. If his confession was coerced it is inadmissable in a court of law you fucking morons
5. Isn't it obvious how totally fucking moronic Obama and his Librul Legions of Mindless Zombies are?

No, you are the moron.

I have faith in the American justice system.

Obviously you do not.

Perhaps you should move to another country.

 

[Sinatra]

Obama and Libruls are total fucking morons:

1. Was Khalid Mohammad properly Mirandized?
2. Will he be able to access NSA and CIA files during Discovery?
3. Do you see why Obama and Libruls are such fucking morons?
4. If his confession was coerced it is inadmissable in a court of law you fucking morons
5. Isn't it obvious how totally fucking moronic Obama and his Librul Legions of Mindless Zombies are?

No, you are the moron.

I have faith in the American justice system.

Obviously you do not.

Perhaps you should move to another country.

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[Chris]

Another weak Sinatra post.

You are losing it.

 

[Meister]

Another weak Sinatra post.

You are losing it.

Pot---Kettle---Black
Geeze, Chris...come on......

 

[Sinatra]

Another weak Sinatra post.

You are losing it.

That's because you were my first...

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[Chris]

Another weak Sinatra post.

You are losing it.

Pot---Kettle---Black
Geeze, Chris...come on......

Come on yourself.

 

[Sinatra]

Another weak Sinatra post.

You are losing it.

Pot---Kettle---Black
Geeze, Chris...come on......

Come on yourself.

Wait for me Chris!!!

Wait for me!!!


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[Ravi]

*crickets*

 

[Sinatra]

New CBS polling shows again the majority of Americans think a closed military trial would have been he best method to handle the terrorists - not a public civilian trial.

This mood is only going to intensify as the Obama White House shuffles forward with this idiotic attempt at "justice"...


Poll: Most Oppose Terror Trials in Open Court - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

 

[Chris]

New CBS polling shows again the majority of Americans think a closed military trial would have been he best method to handle the terrorists - not a public civilian trial.

This mood is only going to intensify as the Obama White House shuffles forward with this idiotic attempt at "justice"...


Poll: Most Oppose Terror Trials in Open Court - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

The only thing idiotic in this equation is you.

An open trial will show the world that America respects its own constitution and is a nation of laws and justice.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I'm just wondering why people who call themselves conservative want to abandon the constitutional seperation of powers?
Doesn't the Constitution mean anything to these folks?

 

[Vast LWC]

New CBS polling shows again the majority of Americans think a closed military trial would have been he best method to handle the terrorists - not a public civilian trial.

This mood is only going to intensify as the Obama White House shuffles forward with this idiotic attempt at "justice"...


Poll: Most Oppose Terror Trials in Open Court - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Yeah, that's not generally how this works.

What usually seems to be happening these days is:

the Republicans go on the airwaves and criticize something non-stop, creating a public stir against whatever they happen to be whining about at the moment (health care, etc) and then, as people learn more about the issue, public opinion swings back the other way.

I'm sure as New Yorkers like me start letting the rest of the country know how they feel about it, public opinion will swing the right way.

Perhaps even Rudy Giuliani will look at his statements supporting NYC civilian trials for terrorist from 2006, and realize what a hypocrite he is.

 

[Vast LWC]

But even without public opinion backing them, the LAW supports Obama's decision.

Mr Obama is actually FOLLOWING the law. I know that's a pretty difficult concept for former Bush supporters to wrap their head around, but that's what is happening here.

 

[nodoginnafight]

But even without public opinion backing them, the LAW supports Obama's decision.

Mr Obama is actually FOLLOWING the law. I know that's a pretty difficult concept for former Bush supporters to wrap their head around, but that's what is happening here.

Very true

 

[Sinatra]

But even without public opinion backing them, the LAW supports Obama's decision.

Mr Obama is actually FOLLOWING the law. I know that's a pretty difficult concept for former Bush supporters to wrap their head around, but that's what is happening here.

Very true

The LAW supports a military court as well, and for good reason...