Rising Fascism USA - Right Now

[kyzr]

It doesnt do that, either.
From the new CDC report

MSN

In addition, researchers found vaccinated New Yorkers accounted for 20% of new infections and 15% of hospitalizations.
Also from the link :
“Vaccines are very, very helpful, but they’re not the end-all, be-all of COVID-19 prevention,” she added, encouraging mask-wearing and other precautions.
TBF, she mentioned masks and they are basically useless. So maybe what she said doesnt stand. lolz

You need to compare the vaccinated outcomes to the unvaccinated outcomes. There is no comparison.

 

[Theowl32]

I had covid without vaccination.

I have over 10 friends with covid and all were vaccinated.

4 family members with the vaccination, have covid.

The fact is the vaccines were rushed. Vaccines take many years to be approved. That is how it typically works.

These Vaccines were pretty quick in being developed and now we are hearing about the upcoming mandate of a booster.

Uhhh huh..

So, well over 50% of the people I associate myself with have covid after getting the vaccine.

So I am asking. If the Vaccines are so good and trustworthy, why this move to the boosters that will be enforced (trust that?)

Any medical people here want to tell me how the Vaccines aren't working but if I get the booster it will?

Cause the Vaccines that the left are pushing on us..clearly aren't working.

Unless someone can explain why so many with the vaccine are getting covid.

Why is that? Hmmmmm?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I don't give a fuck about "transmission" only about hospitalizations and deaths. Johns Hopkins doesn't track "transmissions".
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You can’t have deaths without transmission.
Some of us prefer to risk infection followed immediately by therapeutics than to be forced to absorb an unproven and sometimes ineffective vaccine.

 

[B. Kidd]

At this present moment (checking my watch) August 18, 2021, the population of these United States appears to be divided, actively, into two main groups: Americans who accept overt, blatant COVID-19 vaccine dictatorships arisen recently in their local governments and private businesses, and Americans (in the minority) who could be preparing to resist this developing tyranny with force of arms or by the sword, so to speak.

How is it that any full-blooded freedom loving American of any background, of any culture or ethnic origin or political slant, would even consider bowing down and kissing the feet of totalitarian rule? That is the question on the minds of many of my fellow countrymen today. If YOU, as an American, love the freedoms you were born entitled to exercise, such as walking or driving anywhere you choose, shopping anyplace you like, or choosing to decline ANY medical procedure without punishment, then there's just no way in Hell YOU can support, promote or stand for taking it up the ass with a public government or private employer/business mandated COVID vaccination. And if YOU are (taking it up the ass, at the point of a forced dripping needle) you can no longer call, classify or think of yourself as a FREE human being, let alone a free citizen of these United States.

New York City and some other places here in the U.S. are forging the way, as we speak, into totalitarian rule and iron fisted enforcement of totalitarian edicts. While there's no way to accurately predict the near future, many of my fellow veterans, close friends and some family members are scared shitless today thinking tomorrow will bring vaccine mandates from their employers, local governments and/or the places they buy food, clothing, etc. Personally, that pisses me off—seeing fear in the eyes of those I care for most.

And what about our children? What about those born and those yet to come? What kind of future do all you parents out there beyond internet land hope your children get to have? A future where some teapot local dictator or Walmart manager forces them to get an experimental injection in order to fucking survive in society on a day to day basis? Do you want your children to live in constant fear of their government, teachers, fast food workers? If that does not seem like a big deal to you . . . or you believe being vaccinated equals an American's patriotic duty, then you are a broken soul and quite possibly beyond the point of no return as a human being fit to live in a free society.

As an American just how much of your waning freedom are YOU willing to surrender in the name of forced compliance? What politician's whim will be too much for you to swallow? What's next? A murder lottery in the name of population control to save the environment? Will YOU willingly participate in that as well? Who else, today, is feeling sickened by the level of his or her fellow Americans kowtowing to rising COVID dictatorships?

Here in Vegas, the Raiders have become the 1st NFL team to require proof of Vaxx to attend a game. They have an app to download to your phone to show proof upon entering the stadium. Most fans say they'll do anything to see the Raiders; but you have to remember that most Raider fans are Hispanic here in the Southwest, and the remaining ones are jugheads!
Based on this, Bi-Dung's open border policy looks like a sure winner for Dimm authoritarianism!

 

[Asclepias]

So, well over 50% of the people I associate myself with have covid after getting the vaccine.

How many had to go to the hospital and how many died?

 

[kyzr]

You can’t have deaths without transmission.
Some of us prefer to risk infection followed immediately by therapeutics than to be forced to absorb an unproven and sometimes ineffective vaccine.

What if the vaccines were fully approved by the FDA?
Would you still be vaccine hesitant?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

What if the vaccines were fully approved by the FDA?
Would you still be vaccine hesitant?

Depends upon my circumstance. I’d rather have natural immunity. I went 27 years between antibiotic prescriptions because I like to heal on my own and not outpace antibiotic generations. Make sure they work when I really need them.

 

[dudmuck]

I had covid without vaccination.

I have over 10 friends with covid and all were vaccinated.

4 family members with the vaccination, have covid.

The fact is the vaccines were rushed. Vaccines take many years to be approved. That is how it typically works.

These Vaccines were pretty quick in being developed and now we are hearing about the upcoming mandate of a booster.

Uhhh huh..

So, well over 50% of the people I associate myself with have covid after getting the vaccine.

So I am asking. If the Vaccines are so good and trustworthy, why this move to the boosters that will be enforced (trust that?)

Any medical people here want to tell me how the Vaccines aren't working but if I get the booster it will?

Cause the Vaccines that the left are pushing on us..clearly aren't working.

Unless someone can explain why so many with the vaccine are getting covid.

Why is that? Hmmmmm?

since the vast majority of those in hospital with covid are unvaccinated.. it works.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

since the vast majority of those in hospital with covid are unvaccinated.. it works.

Vaccines don’t prevent transmission.

 

[Dragonlady]

At this present moment (checking my watch) August 18, 2021, the population of these United States appears to be divided, actively, into two main groups: Americans who accept overt, blatant COVID-19 vaccine dictatorships arisen recently in their local governments and private businesses, and Americans (in the minority) who could be preparing to resist this developing tyranny with force of arms or by the sword, so to speak.

How is it that any full-blooded freedom loving American of any background, of any culture or ethnic origin or political slant, would even consider bowing down and kissing the feet of totalitarian rule? That is the question on the minds of many of my fellow countrymen today. If YOU, as an American, love the freedoms you were born entitled to exercise, such as walking or driving anywhere you choose, shopping anyplace you like, or choosing to decline ANY medical procedure without punishment, then there's just no way in Hell YOU can support, promote or stand for taking it up the ass with a public government or private employer/business mandated COVID vaccination. And if YOU are (taking it up the ass, at the point of a forced dripping needle) you can no longer call, classify or think of yourself as a FREE human being, let alone a free citizen of these United States.

New York City and some other places here in the U.S. are forging the way, as we speak, into totalitarian rule and iron fisted enforcement of totalitarian edicts. While there's no way to accurately predict the near future, many of my fellow veterans, close friends and some family members are scared shitless today thinking tomorrow will bring vaccine mandates from their employers, local governments and/or the places they buy food, clothing, etc. Personally, that pisses me off—seeing fear in the eyes of those I care for most.

And what about our children? What about those born and those yet to come? What kind of future do all you parents out there beyond internet land hope your children get to have? A future where some teapot local dictator or Walmart manager forces them to get an experimental injection in order to fucking survive in society on a day to day basis? Do you want your children to live in constant fear of their government, teachers, fast food workers? If that does not seem like a big deal to you . . . or you believe being vaccinated equals an American's patriotic duty, then you are a broken soul and quite possibly beyond the point of no return as a human being fit to live in a free society.

As an American just how much of your waning freedom are YOU willing to surrender in the name of forced compliance? What politician's whim will be too much for you to swallow? What's next? A murder lottery in the name of population control to save the environment? Will YOU willingly participate in that as well? Who else, today, is feeling sickened by the level of his or her fellow Americans kowtowing to rising COVID dictatorships?

I have news for you asshat. Vaccines have been mandated for every American since I was a child. Getting a vaccination isn't a matter of "personal freedom", it's a matter of good public health and common sense.

 

[Dragonlady]

I had covid without vaccination.

I have over 10 friends with covid and all were vaccinated.

4 family members with the vaccination, have covid.

The fact is the vaccines were rushed. Vaccines take many years to be approved. That is how it typically works.

These Vaccines were pretty quick in being developed and now we are hearing about the upcoming mandate of a booster.

Uhhh huh..

So, well over 50% of the people I associate myself with have covid after getting the vaccine.

So I am asking. If the Vaccines are so good and trustworthy, why this move to the boosters that will be enforced (trust that?)

Any medical people here want to tell me how the Vaccines aren't working but if I get the booster it will?
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Cause the Vaccines that the left are pushing on us..clearly aren't working.

Unless someone can explain why so many with the vaccine are getting covid.

Why is that? Hmmmmm?

The vaccines were in development since SARS in 2003, and it continued with MERS in 2011, but without a large scale outbreak to do the final testing, they couldn't do mass testing until covid19. To say the vaccines were "rushed" is an absolute fallacy. Nearly 20 years in development and testing.

But the virus is mutating. The original vaccine was based on the alpha virus. The delta is slightly different and the vaccine is less effective in shutting down transmission. But none of your friends who got sick, were hospitalized or died, so the vaccines are working.

 

[Quasar44]

kyzr
I agree , but I think this should be the individuals choice

 

[kyzr]

kyzr
I agree , but I think this should be the individuals choice

OK, then what if we said that only vaccinated people would be allowed in hospitals if they had covid?
Why should anti-vaxers get hospital beds when they deliberately got covid by not getting vaccinated?

 

[SweetSue92]

Masks don't stop transmission, vaccines stop people from becoming sick or dying.
I'm vaccinated and have no worries.

If they do not stop transmission then it is simply no one else's business who gets the vaccine, in the same way it's no one else's business who takes vitamins or heart medication.

Done, end of story.

 

[kyzr]

If they do not stop transmission then it is simply no one else's business who gets the vaccine, in the same way it's no one else's business who takes vitamins or heart medication.

Done, end of story.

We're in a pandemic. It is our business who doesn't get vaccinated.
If you are an anti-vaxer, fine, but then stay home when you get sick, the hospitals are for responsible people.
You are not looking at the seriousness of the pandemic and the effect on business and the risk posed by variants.

 

[SweetSue92]

We're in a pandemic. It is our business who doesn't get vaccinated.
If you are an anti-vaxer, fine, but then stay home when you get sick, the hospitals are for responsible people.
You are not looking at the seriousness of the pandemic and the effect on business and the risk posed by variants.

Do you know what transmission means? That is a serious question

 

[TNHarley]

You need to compare the vaccinated outcomes to the unvaccinated outcomes. There is no comparison.

You keep moving the goal posts.

 

[Independentthinker]

At this present moment (checking my watch) August 18, 2021, the population of these United States appears to be divided, actively, into two main groups: Americans who accept overt, blatant COVID-19 vaccine dictatorships arisen recently in their local governments and private businesses, and Americans (in the minority) who could be preparing to resist this developing tyranny with force of arms or by the sword, so to speak.

How is it that any full-blooded freedom loving American of any background, of any culture or ethnic origin or political slant, would even consider bowing down and kissing the feet of totalitarian rule? That is the question on the minds of many of my fellow countrymen today. If YOU, as an American, love the freedoms you were born entitled to exercise, such as walking or driving anywhere you choose, shopping anyplace you like, or choosing to decline ANY medical procedure without punishment, then there's just no way in Hell YOU can support, promote or stand for taking it up the ass with a public government or private employer/business mandated COVID vaccination. And if YOU are (taking it up the ass, at the point of a forced dripping needle) you can no longer call, classify or think of yourself as a FREE human being, let alone a free citizen of these United States.

New York City and some other places here in the U.S. are forging the way, as we speak, into totalitarian rule and iron fisted enforcement of totalitarian edicts. While there's no way to accurately predict the near future, many of my fellow veterans, close friends and some family members are scared shitless today thinking tomorrow will bring vaccine mandates from their employers, local governments and/or the places they buy food, clothing, etc. Personally, that pisses me off—seeing fear in the eyes of those I care for most.

And what about our children? What about those born and those yet to come? What kind of future do all you parents out there beyond internet land hope your children get to have? A future where some teapot local dictator or Walmart manager forces them to get an experimental injection in order to fucking survive in society on a day to day basis? Do you want your children to live in constant fear of their government, teachers, fast food workers? If that does not seem like a big deal to you . . . or you believe being vaccinated equals an American's patriotic duty, then you are a broken soul and quite possibly beyond the point of no return as a human being fit to live in a free society.

As an American just how much of your waning freedom are YOU willing to surrender in the name of forced compliance? What politician's whim will be too much for you to swallow? What's next? A murder lottery in the name of population control to save the environment? Will YOU willingly participate in that as well? Who else, today, is feeling sickened by the level of his or her fellow Americans kowtowing to rising COVID dictatorships?

But the Democratic socialists hand out free stuff and tell everyone the government will take care of them. On top of that, it will be DEMOCRATIC socialism, you know like a democracy, you know like Venezuela has and people will be still be able to vote. So, not to worry. Nothing can go wrong. It will be a Utopian paradise. That's why it is so appealing.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I'm vaccinated and have no worries.

You’re honestly not “worried” about your heart exploding from a blood clot?
How many other times in your life have you volunteered to be a lab rat and take an experimental vaccine?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

OK, then what if we said that only vaccinated people would be allowed in hospitals if they had covid?
Why should anti-vaxers get hospital beds when they deliberately got covid by not getting vaccinated?

That’s still a transmission issue. Vaccines don’t prevent transmission.