RINO Romney's Pro-Choice Record

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    This is all typical RINO camoflage and fakery.

    Report on the pro-life views of Gov. Mitt Romney


     
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    But if you don't like those positions he has others.

    He's adaptable like that.
     
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    I really don't like Romney, but I don't care that much about this.

    Frankly, I wish the abortion issue would go away, and stop distorting our politics.

    We are never going to have a federal law banning abortion. The Supreme Court will never overturn Roe v. Wade.

    Even if these things happened, such a law would be about as effective as the 18th Amendment and the Volsted Act was in banning alcohol sales.

    Now, what bothers me about Romney in this is what it says about his character.

    He ran to right left on the issue from where he was personally (Mormons take a dim view of Abortion) because it was the only way he could get elected in Massachusetts.

    Then he ran to the right on the issue in 2008 because he wanted to fool the Evangelicals into thinking he was one of them.
     
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    I think most pro-life people now think the best shot is simply to get the 'right' to an abortion removed and let each individual state pass its own law, which is what the situation was prior to Roe. A constitutional amendment that strengthens the 10th amendment and specificaly mentions abortion as one of the issues the federal government cannot regulate is probably the best approach at this point in time.

    If you consider the demographic effects of abortion on demand and it is apparent that this is not a harmless issue for our nation.

    All laws are violated every day. That does not mean they cannot be enforced in the majority of the cases or that they do not keep an even larger problem from developing.


    Romney's real concerns and values are not fathomable at this point because he says what ever he thinks he needs to to get elected. What Romney should he get into office is most likely going to be the same as what he did in Massachussettes; fake being conservative and promote socially liberal groups behind the scenes.
     
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    But there were no more Abortions going on after Roe than there were before Roe. The birth rate did not drop after abortion was legalized. (It did drop about a decade earlier after birth Control was perfected.)

    But a law can't be effectively enforced if a large part of the population has contempt for it.

    Murder laws are enforceable because no one wants murderers running about in their community. Abortion laws aren't because there will always be people who need abortions. The dirty secret of Roe was that it legalized what was already going on.


    And from a conservative point of view, wouldn't that be worse than a second term of Obama? Scalia won't retire with Obama picking his replacement, but he might if Romney does, but it's still a liberal.
     
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    Psssst... Bowie.....

    Don't vote for him.... simple as that.
     
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    Abortion statistics in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Number of abortions in US in 1970: 193,491
    Number of abortions in US in 1976: 988,267
    Number of abortions in US in 1990: 1,429,247


    Sure they can, you just have to pick the more extreme cases and let the rest go.

    Well the anti-death penalty people are OK with the idea that a murderer may eventually end up in someone elses community, as has happened many times.

    As is the case with all crimes.

    Yes, it would be worse for conservatives, but most conservatives are sheep and most of the rest are greedy and want to use conservativism to cover their tracks and make them look respectable.

    And your point about the Romney record on the judges he picks tends to be very favorable to liberals. He would do another Breyer and who needs that?
     
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    Psst,...Plate....I wont.

    But thank you for your concern, lol.
     
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    If you are going to start here, I'm not sure what to do with you. The figure is "reported to the CDC." Not "how many actually happened." In 1970, only legal abortions in the states where it was legal were reported. By 1976, you probably had more complete reporting.

    You also stop at 1990, not admitting that by 2008- the last year we have info on- it had gone down to 825,000.

    The more telling figure is the birth rate- which remained pretty constant. There were as many babies being born after Roe as before. Which means women were terminating the unwanted pregnancies at about the same rate all along.

    Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year — Infoplease.com


    What qualifies as an "extreme case"? And why would that have an effect on the vast majority of abortions, performed first trimester when the fetus is the size of a kidney bean?


    I was referring specifically to the prosecution and arrest of murderers, not what we do with the ones we let go. People will not hide a murderer. They will hide a woman who had an abortion.


    As is the case with all crimes.


    I'd be more concerned if he picked another Souter...
     
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    Think about it.....the country has done nothing but go downhill since then. Spit in God's face then face the consequences. Kill and oppress the innocent you will answer.
     

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