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Every time. We were culturally and societally the same people for the majority. We had basically the same beliefs. The majority lived basically the same way with a mom and a dad who went to work every day. There were exceptions, but no one wanted to reflect the exception, but the rule. We all said Merry Christmas, even if sometimes a response was Happy Hannukah. We all stood for the pledge of allegiance and the national anthem. If every town had a town drunk and town slut, very few actually wanted to be a town drunk or a town slut. Now, as the celebrity of Sandra Fluke illustrates, at least half the girls in town want to be the town sluts. Legalize drugs so that whole towns can be town addicts with the disparagement going to the lone guy who is still sober.
How can anyone not realize that the nation is utterly divided to the point where we will never be united again. There's no point to unity.
Good Lord! I'm shocked! You really DON'T know much about our history!
We've NEVER been unified, NEVER agreed on much of anything. We've been the most fractious, argumentative, contentious, selfish, cold-hearted and unloving people on the face of the earth for more than 200 years. That Pax Americana, "good ol' days" you think is our standard never even existed anywhere but Hollywood. Trust me..."Leave it to Beaver" and "It's a Wonderful Life" are fiction...total fiction. We've been fighting among ourselves since before the Revolution and the ONLY time we've even been REMOTELY unified is when some other country tried to involve themselves in our affairs.
Not only that, but we've been so divided before that we actually started shooting at each other, more than once, yet the nation survived and grew.
I don't know what alternate universe you think the United States once existed in, but let me clue you in on a little secret: It is our DIFFERENCES, our fights, our arguments, which make this country great...not our uniformity. And, we will continue to be great so long as we agree to live under that precious document created by visionaries in 1787 who understood that our strength and unity is found in our differences. E Pluribus Unum, "Out of many, one" is the guiding principle which has made the United States of America the ideal to which others aspire and that will continue until, and unless, some take a notion to change our form of government or leave the Union because they're unwilling to compromise, to get along, to accept the Will of The People as expressed in our free and open elections.
If you want to fear the future because of something, fear that.
How can you actually be this clueless. Differences never unite and never united us. We were always able to find compromise because our basic beliefs were the same. We are no longer out of many one, but out of many, many more. Our basic beliefs are no longer the same. We were always able to be fractious and hammer out some agreement because the goals were the same. The difference was how to get there. The very goals aren't the same any more. You might think they are and that's the pity because you think the same America still exists. It doesn't. When you get to concepts like whether or not the sight of the Flag is offensive, or whether the Pledge of Allegiance is offensive or whether the National Anthem should be played, you have reached the very bedrock of difference. We no longer respect the same flag, or say the same Pledge or even want to hear the same Anthem. That difference goes way beyond fractious arguments over policy.
Good Lord! I'm shocked! You really DON'T know much about our history!
We've NEVER been unified, NEVER agreed on much of anything. We've been the most fractious, argumentative, contentious, selfish, cold-hearted and unloving people on the face of the earth for more than 200 years. That Pax Americana, "good ol' days" you think is our standard never even existed anywhere but Hollywood. Trust me..."Leave it to Beaver" and "It's a Wonderful Life" are fiction...total fiction. We've been fighting among ourselves since before the Revolution and the ONLY time we've even been REMOTELY unified is when some other country tried to involve themselves in our affairs.
Not only that, but we've been so divided before that we actually started shooting at each other, more than once, yet the nation survived and grew.
I don't know what alternate universe you think the United States once existed in, but let me clue you in on a little secret: It is our DIFFERENCES, our fights, our arguments, which make this country great...not our uniformity. And, we will continue to be great so long as we agree to live under that precious document created by visionaries in 1787 who understood that our strength and unity is found in our differences. E Pluribus Unum, "Out of many, one" is the guiding principle which has made the United States of America the ideal to which others aspire and that will continue until, and unless, some take a notion to change our form of government or leave the Union because they're unwilling to compromise, to get along, to accept the Will of The People as expressed in our free and open elections.
If you want to fear the future because of something, fear that.
How can you actually be this clueless. Differences never unite and never united us. We were always able to find compromise because our basic beliefs were the same. We are no longer out of many one, but out of many, many more. Our basic beliefs are no longer the same. We were always able to be fractious and hammer out some agreement because the goals were the same. The difference was how to get there. The very goals aren't the same any more. You might think they are and that's the pity because you think the same America still exists. It doesn't. When you get to concepts like whether or not the sight of the Flag is offensive, or whether the Pledge of Allegiance is offensive or whether the National Anthem should be played, you have reached the very bedrock of difference. We no longer respect the same flag, or say the same Pledge or even want to hear the same Anthem. That difference goes way beyond fractious arguments over policy.
We've only had a National Anthem since 1931 and a Pledge of Allegiance since 1942. What commonly held values did we have before then?
Did we also have hyphenated Americans? Prior to 1931, or 1942, we were a majority white, majority Christian country who all had the basic same beliefs, traditions, principles and values. We taught the same American history in all the schools, we instilled the same level of patriotism. Even prior to 1931! Actually, we had the Pledge of Allegiance since 1892. It was formally adopted in 1942 which means that prior to 1942, there was no official law, but do you think no one said it? Or, meant it?
We no longer are a people with the same basic beliefs, principles or values. The divisions have gone to the absolute bedrock, down to the tectonic plate.
No, we didn't have hyphenated American's back then. Immigrants were just typically called by their nation of origin: Irish, German, Yiddish...and they weren't welcome just about anywhere by "polite" society. The old saw about "No Irishmen or dogs on the streets at night" is not a fiction.
They were the wrong color (too dark or too white), the wrong religion, the wrong nationality, spoke the wrong language. They were not trusted nor liked and were crammed by general consensus and legal maneuvering into ghettos and manual labor jobs so they wouldn't intermingle with the "good" folks. We had riots where outcast immigrants and people of color were slaughtered just because of who they were (NYC draft riots during the Civil War; Tulsa in the 1920's), lynchings were popular, murder was commonplace and un-investigated (my own grandfather in law was murdered in Nebraska during the 1920's simply because he had a German surname).
The only commonality we've had for most of our history is that we commonly hated our neighbors.
Wbat nation is "Yiddish"??
How can you actually be this clueless. Differences never unite and never united us. We were always able to find compromise because our basic beliefs were the same. We are no longer out of many one, but out of many, many more. Our basic beliefs are no longer the same. We were always able to be fractious and hammer out some agreement because the goals were the same. The difference was how to get there. The very goals aren't the same any more. You might think they are and that's the pity because you think the same America still exists. It doesn't. When you get to concepts like whether or not the sight of the Flag is offensive, or whether the Pledge of Allegiance is offensive or whether the National Anthem should be played, you have reached the very bedrock of difference. We no longer respect the same flag, or say the same Pledge or even want to hear the same Anthem. That difference goes way beyond fractious arguments over policy.
We've only had a National Anthem since 1931 and a Pledge of Allegiance since 1942. What commonly held values did we have before then?
Did we also have hyphenated Americans? Prior to 1931, or 1942, we were a majority white, majority Christian country who all had the basic same beliefs, traditions, principles and values. We taught the same American history in all the schools, we instilled the same level of patriotism. Even prior to 1931! Actually, we had the Pledge of Allegiance since 1892. It was formally adopted in 1942 which means that prior to 1942, there was no official law, but do you think no one said it? Or, meant it?
We no longer are a people with the same basic beliefs, principles or values. The divisions have gone to the absolute bedrock, down to the tectonic plate.
The use of history in the schools in the elementary grades was to teach morality, patriotism and so on, as one moved up in school history was taught more realistically.
Look at the Texas public school history books through the 1950s. Amazing. Yes, Indoctrination, period.
The evangelicals lost badly in the November election for the board that selects the school books.
I doubt there will be any instructions to say nice things about Joe McCarthy or "rethink" Thomas Jefferson or the Civil Right Act.
I gather most HS teachers and all of the higher ed professors simply ignore the school board, using the text books as little as possible.
The evangelicals lost badly in the November election for the board that selects the school books.
I doubt there will be any instructions to say nice things about Joe McCarthy or "rethink" Thomas Jefferson or the Civil Right Act.
I gather most HS teachers and all of the higher ed professors simply ignore the school board, using the text books as little as possible.
the problem is that if texas turns out students who have no foundation, those students won't get into schools outside of their own state...
and if the in-state schools want any kind of national reputation, they won't take those kids either...