Reverend Dr Martin Luther King Jr on Israel

[montelatici]

You do realize that you are continuing to spread Zionist propaganda. The MLK letter was a Zionist hoax, you idiot. Even CAMERA admitted it. LOL


CAMERA ALERT: Letter by Martin Luther King a Hoax

"The flowery, pro-Zionist “Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend” (see below), allegedly written by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., is apparently a hoax."


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The letter is not the same as the recorded comments. Try again, liar.

There are no recorded comments by MLK that state that criticizing Zionism is antisemitism. Your alternative facts are called lies.

You are a one trick dinkey. You have have conflated the "letter" which although has been disputed has not been proven either way, with MLK's comments correctly pointing out that anti-Zionism is today's antisemitism. Take you for example, you're a proven rabid antisemite who cloaks his bigotry in antisemitism.

This is how this thread starts out see the first post.

“When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.”

You and your alternative truth tactics will be exposed every time you lie, bozo.

Yes, as usual you are full of lies and hatred, the quote "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.” Is true.

He did say "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.".
[“The Socialism of Fools: The Left, the Jews and Israel” by Seymour Martin Lipset; in Encounter magazine, December 1969, p. 24.]

Here is the source of the quote. Check this source before deleting it.--Sefringle 03:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

He did say alot more than that and it has been confirmed, plese see the following link: http://www.jewish-history.com/mlk_zionism.html Although it is correct that it was not from the letter that indeed was debunked but from a speech he gave at Harvard University 1968!

Among the quotes confirmed to be by Martin Luther King, Jr., on the persecutions of the Jewish people and support for the State of Israel and Zionism are the following:

"I cannot stand idly by, even though I happen to live in the United States and even though I happen to be an American Negro and not be concerned about what happens to the Jews in Soviet Russia. For what happens to them happens to me and you, and we must be concerned."

"Israel's right to exist as a state in security is uncontestable."

"Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality."

"I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews -- because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all."

"When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism."

From your good friends at CAMERA Rudass.


"The flowery, pro-Zionist “Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend” (see below), allegedly written by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., is apparently a hoax............................We were initially doubtful of the authenticity of the “Letter to an anti-Zionist Friend" because the language in the first paragraph seemed almost a parody of language used in Dr. King's “I have a dream” speech. Additionally, we could find no reference to the “letter” prior to 1999, which was odd because the text is such a dramatic denunciation of anti-Zionism — one that would have been cited widely.

However, we then found the “letter” in a reputable 1999 book (Shared Dreams by Rabbi Marc Shneier) whose preface was written by Martin Luther King III. Since the King family is known to be extremely careful with Dr. King's legacy, we assumed they must have verified the accuracy of the book before endorsing it."

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[Roudy]

The letter is not the same as the recorded comments. Try again, liar.

There are no recorded comments by MLK that state that criticizing Zionism is antisemitism. Your alternative facts are called lies.

You are a one trick dinkey. You have have conflated the "letter" which although has been disputed has not been proven either way, with MLK's comments correctly pointing out that anti-Zionism is today's antisemitism. Take you for example, you're a proven rabid antisemite who cloaks his bigotry in antisemitism.

This is how this thread starts out see the first post.

“When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.”

You and your alternative truth tactics will be exposed every time you lie, bozo.

Yes, as usual you are full of lies and hatred, the quote "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.” Is true.

He did say "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.".
[“The Socialism of Fools: The Left, the Jews and Israel” by Seymour Martin Lipset; in Encounter magazine, December 1969, p. 24.]

Here is the source of the quote. Check this source before deleting it.--Sefringle 03:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

He did say alot more than that and it has been confirmed, plese see the following link: http://www.jewish-history.com/mlk_zionism.html Although it is correct that it was not from the letter that indeed was debunked but from a speech he gave at Harvard University 1968!

Among the quotes confirmed to be by Martin Luther King, Jr., on the persecutions of the Jewish people and support for the State of Israel and Zionism are the following:

"I cannot stand idly by, even though I happen to live in the United States and even though I happen to be an American Negro and not be concerned about what happens to the Jews in Soviet Russia. For what happens to them happens to me and you, and we must be concerned."

"Israel's right to exist as a state in security is uncontestable."

"Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality."

"I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews -- because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all."

"When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism."

From your good friends at CAMERA Rudass.


"The flowery, pro-Zionist “Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend” (see below), allegedly written by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., is apparently a hoax............................We were initially doubtful of the authenticity of the “Letter to an anti-Zionist Friend" because the language in the first paragraph seemed almost a parody of language used in Dr. King's “I have a dream” speech. Additionally, we could find no reference to the “letter” prior to 1999, which was odd because the text is such a dramatic denunciation of anti-Zionism — one that would have been cited widely.

However, we then found the “letter” in a reputable 1999 book (Shared Dreams by Rabbi Marc Shneier) whose preface was written by Martin Luther King III. Since the King family is known to be extremely careful with Dr. King's legacy, we assumed they must have verified the accuracy of the book before endorsing it."

CAMERA: CAMERA ALERT: Letter by Martin Luther King a Hoax

Yeah, I already said that, dipstick. But not his other quote about antizionism being antisemitism. Which means you conflated the two in order to make it look like the quote is from the letter. No surprises, you are a liar and a peddler of garbage and hate.

In the words of Martin Luther King… | Martin Kramer on the Middle East

A repugnant suggestion

King’s words were first reported by Seymour Martin Lipset, at that time the George D. Markham Professor of Government and Sociology at Harvard, in an article he published in the magazine Encounter in December 1969—that is, in the year following King’s assassination. Lipset:

Shortly before he was assassinated, Martin Luther King, Jr. was in Boston on a fund-raising mission, and I had the good fortune to attend a dinner which was given for him in Cambridge. This was an experience which was at once fascinating and moving: one witnessed Dr. King in action in a way one never got to see in public. He wanted to find what the Negro students at Harvard and other parts of the Boston area were thinking about various issues, and he very subtly cross-examined them for well over an hour and a half. He asked questions, and said very little himself. One of the young men present happened to make some remark against the Zionists. Dr. King snapped at him and said, “Don’t talk like that! When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking anti-Semitism!”

For the next three-plus decades, no one challenged the credibility of this account. No wonder: Lipset, author of the classic Political Man (1960), was an eminent authority on American politics and society, who later became the only scholar ever to preside over both the American Sociological Association and the American Political Science Association. Who if not Lipset could be counted upon to report an event accurately? Nor was he quoting something said in confidence only to him or far back in time. Others were present at the same dinner, and Lipset wrote about it not long after the fact. He also told the anecdote in a magazine that must have had many subscribers in Cambridge, some of whom might have shared his “fascinating and moving” experience. The idea that he would have fabricated or falsified any aspect of this account would have seemed preposterous.

 

[montelatici]

Dr. Seymour Martin Lipset, a former chair of the National B'nai B'rith Hillel Commission and the Faculty Advisory Cabinet of the United Jewish Appeal. Lipset was a member of an institution that raised money for Israel's wars writing in a magazine closely allied to the US government. The details he gives are extraordinarily vague: "shortly before he was assassinated" (exactly when?) King went to a dinner in Cambridge (exactly where?) where he admonished a black student (exactly who?). But if it wasn't true, couldn't Dr. King have protested to the magazine? No, he couldn't; he died the year before the article was published.


What MLK really said:

"Israel has grabbed land which belonged to the Palestinians, with the same self-granted right with which the slavers grabbed the black people in Africa: the right of a master race dealing with a downtrodden people."

 

[Roudy]

LOL poor propagandist now losing it. They all exhibit signs of mental illness in some way or another.

The source of the quote is impeccable and verified to be true by all historians. Deal with it.

" Lipset, author of the classic Political Man (1960), was an eminent authority on American politics and society, who later became the only scholar ever to preside over both the American Sociological Association and the American Political Science Association."

 

[Syriusly]

“When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.”

“I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world… as a marvelous example of what can be done… how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy.”

“Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.”

“I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews.”


Georgia Congressman John Lewis, who worked closely with Rev. King during the civil rights movement, observed that “he knew that both peoples [i.e., Blacks and Jews] were uprooted involuntarily from their homelands. He knew that both peoples were shaped by the tragic experience of slavery. He knew that both peoples were forced to live in ghettos, victims of segregation. He knew that both peoples were subject to laws passed with the particular intent of oppressing them simply because they were Jewish or black. He knew that both peoples have been subjected to oppression and genocide on a level unprecedented in history.”

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So we aren't allowed to criticize any action by Israel or we are anti-semites?