Response time to the Oil disaster!

No one really looked to DC for leadership on things like this in those days. It wasn't considered a national emergency. Alaskans were hopping mad of course, but Americans weren't of the mindset at that time to demand Washington get involved. That didn't seem to come about until Katrina came along and it was decided that Bush should take charge of Louisiana. (Inept leadershp at the state and local level probably made looking to Bush even more attractive.)

Plus, the Valdez spill didn't involve stopping and indefinite flow oil. It was more about cleanup.

Did he even mention the clean up?
 
I see this guided towards Obama and the scrutiny of everything he does. 20 billion dollars aside, I have a question for you all....


How long did it take Bush 1 to respond to the exxon Valdez disaster? Did he ever even address it let alone get the victims money?

Seriously, right leaning people, can anyone one of you answer me this, did he do ANYTHING about the Valdez?
Yes, I know that was a while ago, but I am just reminded time and time again how bad Obama handled this, but Bush 1 did nothing.

Valdez = Bush 1 = He did nothing and no scrutiny from any right wingers.
Gulf = Obama = 20 billion dollars for victims and scrutiny on EVERY aspect of everything he does.

Why the difference? I know he said he would continue deep drilling after the valdez, but that is just one of the problems we are dealing with now. :eusa_whistle:

Stay on point please. This thread is about response time from Bush 1 and why there was NO back lash for it. I found ONE thing he said after the Valdez and all he said was he will continue drilling and looking for energy. Never about the Valdez directly really.

STAY ON POINT PLEASE.




It took Obama how long to have a press conference? Bush on the other hand was considering a federal takeover of the clean up on the 29 of March. 4 to 5 days post spill:

Bush considers federal takeover of Valdez cleanup on Gawkk

And he had the The FBI investigating the spill within 5 days March 29, 1989:

msnbc.com Video Player

And Huffington Post has Obama mirroring Bush Sr.'s repsonse, so it can't possibly have been that bad since I really can't recall it being 20 some years ago.:

Obama Echoes George H.W. Bush On Oil Spill Response (VIDEO)

Obama Echoes George H.W. Bush On Oil Spill Response (VIDEO)
 
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Exxon has gotten away with the Valdez disaster screwing Alaskans under Bush I, Clinton, Bush II & Obama.

This is only thing Obama has done right so far. Time will tell if the money gets to the affected people in time. This administration is still guilty of allowing BP who lobbied the Obama white-house to drill without following safety regs.

Obama appointed these defendants named in the BP lawsuit: Ken Salazar, Secretary of the Department of Interior, Wilma Lewis, Assistant Secretary Land and Minerals Management, Department of the Interior, and S. Elizabeth Birnbaum, Director Minerals Management Service, Department of the Interior.

The Sierra Club and the Gulf Restoration Network are accusing the Department of Interior's Minerals Management Service of contributing to the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico by waiving safety regulations for oil explorations.

The federal lawsuit argues that the Minerals Management Service issued Notice to Lessee which exempted offshore exploratory drilling operations in the Gulf of Mexico from compliance with the Blowout Scenario Disclosure and portions of the Worst Case Oil Spill Response requirements found in the governing federal rules. This waiver allowed BP to drill in 5000 feet of water without first conducting blow-out and worst case oil spill response analysis, the Sierra Club and the Gulf Restoration Network argue.

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion
In 2009, the Obama administration intervened to support the reversal of a court order that would have halted offshore oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Obama’s Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who has long had close ties to the industry, specifically cited BP’s Deepwater Horizon operation as one that should be allowed to go forward, according to a group involved in the court case.

A Washington DC Appeals Court ruled in April 2009 that the Bush administration’s five-year plan for offshore oil and gas drilling (covering 2007 to 2012) was not based on a proper review of the environmental impact of the drilling. Only days before the ruling, the Obama administration had granted BP a “categorical exclusion,” exempting it from an environmental impact study for the Deepwater Horizon project.

The American Petroleum Institute, the oil industry trade group, intervened to reverse the court order, and was backed by the administration.

Kierán Suckling, executive director and founder the Center for Biological Diversity, which was involved in the original lawsuit, told the World Socialist Web Site that Salazar “filed a special motion asking the court to lift the injunction, and he cited the BP drilling several times by name in the request.”

In July 2009, the court ruled that drilling in both the Gulf and off the coast of Alaska could continue, on the condition that the administration conduct a study of the potential environmental risks. This study has yet to be completed.

Salazar praised the decision at the time, saying it allowed the administration to go forward with “a comprehensive energy plan,” including the BP project and a sale of leases for drilling in the Gulf.

Even since the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon less than three weeks ago, the Interior Department’s Minerals Management Services (MMS) has continued to grant “categorical exclusions” to oil and gas companies, allowing them to bypass environmental studies.

The administration has publicly announced that no new offshore drilling grants will be issued until a review, to be completed by the end of the month. Nevertheless, at least 27 exemptions have been granted, including one for a BP exploration plan for drilling at more than 4,000 feet. Another exemption was granted to Anadarko Petroleum Corporation for an exploration plan at more than 9,000 feet. The Deepwater Horizon was drilling at about 5,000 feet.

“The same problems we saw under the Bush administration are continuing under Obama,” Suckling said. “The change in political parties has done very little in terms of corporate domination of the political system. Who got to vote on turning over our natural resources to private corporations? The whole system is corrupt from the bottom up.”

The Obama administration’s announcement earlier this year that he would expand offshore oil drilling was a clear sop for the oil industry, as was his earlier decision to appoint Salazar as Interior Secretary. Suckling noted that as a Senator for Colorado Salazar supported the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006, which expanded drilling. Salazar received money from BP, and when he became Interior Secretary he brought several BP officials on his staff.

Did you just blame the valdez on Obama? wow.

No. I blame Obama for helping Exxon over the Alaskan victims. The Exxon Valdez compensation case is still being fought & was last in the supreme court as late as June 25, 2008. Yet still now under the Obama administration Exxon is getting federal subsidies & paying no federal taxes. Way to reward bad behavior.
 
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CaféAuLait;2432214 said:
I see this guided towards Obama and the scrutiny of everything he does. 20 billion dollars aside, I have a question for you all....


How long did it take Bush 1 to respond to the exxon Valdez disaster? Did he ever even address it let alone get the victims money?

Seriously, right leaning people, can anyone one of you answer me this, did he do ANYTHING about the Valdez?
Yes, I know that was a while ago, but I am just reminded time and time again how bad Obama handled this, but Bush 1 did nothing.

Valdez = Bush 1 = He did nothing and no scrutiny from any right wingers.
Gulf = Obama = 20 billion dollars for victims and scrutiny on EVERY aspect of everything he does.

Why the difference? I know he said he would continue deep drilling after the valdez, but that is just one of the problems we are dealing with now. :eusa_whistle:

Stay on point please. This thread is about response time from Bush 1 and why there was NO back lash for it. I found ONE thing he said after the Valdez and all he said was he will continue drilling and looking for energy. Never about the Valdez directly really.

STAY ON POINT PLEASE.




It took Obama how long to have a press conference? Bush on the other hand was considering a federal takeover of the clean up on the 29 of March. 4 to 5 days post spill:

Bush considers federal takeover of Valdez cleanup on Gawkk

And he had the The FBI investigating the spill within 5 days March 29, 1989:

msnbc.com Video Player

And Huffington Post has Obama mirroring Bush Sr.'s repsonse, so it can't possibly have been that bad since I really can't recall it being 20 some years ago.:

Obama Echoes George H.W. Bush On Oil Spill Response (VIDEO)

Obama Echoes George H.W. Bush On Oil Spill Response (VIDEO)

Thanks.

That one you quoted from gawwk, it is the one I saw. He said he is going to continue deep drilling. ??

Eh, either way, no one said anything about Bush's response time and the fact that he did NOTHING about it.

I really dont remember, but did he do an investigation? Did he make sure the victims got something?

It went from 5 billion to 500 million because of a righty.
 
Exxon has gotten away with the Valdez disaster screwing Alaskans under Bush I, Clinton, Bush II & Obama.

This is only thing Obama has done right so far. Time will tell if the money gets to the affected people in time. This administration is still guilty of allowing BP who lobbied the Obama white-house to drill without following safety regs.

Obama appointed these defendants named in the BP lawsuit: Ken Salazar, Secretary of the Department of Interior, Wilma Lewis, Assistant Secretary Land and Minerals Management, Department of the Interior, and S. Elizabeth Birnbaum, Director Minerals Management Service, Department of the Interior.

The Sierra Club and the Gulf Restoration Network are accusing the Department of Interior's Minerals Management Service of contributing to the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico by waiving safety regulations for oil explorations.

The federal lawsuit argues that the Minerals Management Service issued Notice to Lessee which exempted offshore exploratory drilling operations in the Gulf of Mexico from compliance with the Blowout Scenario Disclosure and portions of the Worst Case Oil Spill Response requirements found in the governing federal rules. This waiver allowed BP to drill in 5000 feet of water without first conducting blow-out and worst case oil spill response analysis, the Sierra Club and the Gulf Restoration Network argue.

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion

Did you just blame the valdez on Obama? wow.

No. I blame Obama for helping Exxon over the Alaskan victims. The Exxon Valdez compensation case is still being fought & was last in the supreme court as late as June 25, 2008. Yet still now under the Obama administration Exxon is getting federal subsidies & paying no federal taxes. Way to reward bad behavior.

I...I ....I wont even responde to this idiocy. (Unless this is a joke or something?)
 
Exxon has gotten away with the Valdez disaster screwing Alaskans under Bush I, Clinton, Bush II & Obama.

This is only thing Obama has done right so far. Time will tell if the money gets to the affected people in time. This administration is still guilty of allowing BP who lobbied the Obama white-house to drill without following safety regs.

Obama appointed these defendants named in the BP lawsuit: Ken Salazar, Secretary of the Department of Interior, Wilma Lewis, Assistant Secretary Land and Minerals Management, Department of the Interior, and S. Elizabeth Birnbaum, Director Minerals Management Service, Department of the Interior.

The Sierra Club and the Gulf Restoration Network are accusing the Department of Interior's Minerals Management Service of contributing to the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico by waiving safety regulations for oil explorations.

The federal lawsuit argues that the Minerals Management Service issued Notice to Lessee which exempted offshore exploratory drilling operations in the Gulf of Mexico from compliance with the Blowout Scenario Disclosure and portions of the Worst Case Oil Spill Response requirements found in the governing federal rules. This waiver allowed BP to drill in 5000 feet of water without first conducting blow-out and worst case oil spill response analysis, the Sierra Club and the Gulf Restoration Network argue.

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion
In 2009, the Obama administration intervened to support the reversal of a court order that would have halted offshore oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Obama’s Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who has long had close ties to the industry, specifically cited BP’s Deepwater Horizon operation as one that should be allowed to go forward, according to a group involved in the court case.

A Washington DC Appeals Court ruled in April 2009 that the Bush administration’s five-year plan for offshore oil and gas drilling (covering 2007 to 2012) was not based on a proper review of the environmental impact of the drilling. Only days before the ruling, the Obama administration had granted BP a “categorical exclusion,” exempting it from an environmental impact study for the Deepwater Horizon project.

The American Petroleum Institute, the oil industry trade group, intervened to reverse the court order, and was backed by the administration.

Kierán Suckling, executive director and founder the Center for Biological Diversity, which was involved in the original lawsuit, told the World Socialist Web Site that Salazar “filed a special motion asking the court to lift the injunction, and he cited the BP drilling several times by name in the request.”

In July 2009, the court ruled that drilling in both the Gulf and off the coast of Alaska could continue, on the condition that the administration conduct a study of the potential environmental risks. This study has yet to be completed.

Salazar praised the decision at the time, saying it allowed the administration to go forward with “a comprehensive energy plan,” including the BP project and a sale of leases for drilling in the Gulf.

Even since the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon less than three weeks ago, the Interior Department’s Minerals Management Services (MMS) has continued to grant “categorical exclusions” to oil and gas companies, allowing them to bypass environmental studies.

The administration has publicly announced that no new offshore drilling grants will be issued until a review, to be completed by the end of the month. Nevertheless, at least 27 exemptions have been granted, including one for a BP exploration plan for drilling at more than 4,000 feet. Another exemption was granted to Anadarko Petroleum Corporation for an exploration plan at more than 9,000 feet. The Deepwater Horizon was drilling at about 5,000 feet.

“The same problems we saw under the Bush administration are continuing under Obama,” Suckling said. “The change in political parties has done very little in terms of corporate domination of the political system. Who got to vote on turning over our natural resources to private corporations? The whole system is corrupt from the bottom up.”

The Obama administration’s announcement earlier this year that he would expand offshore oil drilling was a clear sop for the oil industry, as was his earlier decision to appoint Salazar as Interior Secretary. Suckling noted that as a Senator for Colorado Salazar supported the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006, which expanded drilling. Salazar received money from BP, and when he became Interior Secretary he brought several BP officials on his staff.

Interesting site;

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion
World Socialist Web Site
wsws.org
Published by the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI)
Click here for advanced search »
 
Exxon has gotten away with the Valdez disaster screwing Alaskans under Bush I, Clinton, Bush II & Obama.

This is only thing Obama has done right so far. Time will tell if the money gets to the affected people in time. This administration is still guilty of allowing BP who lobbied the Obama white-house to drill without following safety regs.

Obama appointed these defendants named in the BP lawsuit: Ken Salazar, Secretary of the Department of Interior, Wilma Lewis, Assistant Secretary Land and Minerals Management, Department of the Interior, and S. Elizabeth Birnbaum, Director Minerals Management Service, Department of the Interior.

The Sierra Club and the Gulf Restoration Network are accusing the Department of Interior's Minerals Management Service of contributing to the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico by waiving safety regulations for oil explorations.

The federal lawsuit argues that the Minerals Management Service issued Notice to Lessee which exempted offshore exploratory drilling operations in the Gulf of Mexico from compliance with the Blowout Scenario Disclosure and portions of the Worst Case Oil Spill Response requirements found in the governing federal rules. This waiver allowed BP to drill in 5000 feet of water without first conducting blow-out and worst case oil spill response analysis, the Sierra Club and the Gulf Restoration Network argue.

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion
In 2009, the Obama administration intervened to support the reversal of a court order that would have halted offshore oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Obama’s Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who has long had close ties to the industry, specifically cited BP’s Deepwater Horizon operation as one that should be allowed to go forward, according to a group involved in the court case.

A Washington DC Appeals Court ruled in April 2009 that the Bush administration’s five-year plan for offshore oil and gas drilling (covering 2007 to 2012) was not based on a proper review of the environmental impact of the drilling. Only days before the ruling, the Obama administration had granted BP a “categorical exclusion,” exempting it from an environmental impact study for the Deepwater Horizon project.

The American Petroleum Institute, the oil industry trade group, intervened to reverse the court order, and was backed by the administration.

Kierán Suckling, executive director and founder the Center for Biological Diversity, which was involved in the original lawsuit, told the World Socialist Web Site that Salazar “filed a special motion asking the court to lift the injunction, and he cited the BP drilling several times by name in the request.”

In July 2009, the court ruled that drilling in both the Gulf and off the coast of Alaska could continue, on the condition that the administration conduct a study of the potential environmental risks. This study has yet to be completed.

Salazar praised the decision at the time, saying it allowed the administration to go forward with “a comprehensive energy plan,” including the BP project and a sale of leases for drilling in the Gulf.

Even since the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon less than three weeks ago, the Interior Department’s Minerals Management Services (MMS) has continued to grant “categorical exclusions” to oil and gas companies, allowing them to bypass environmental studies.

The administration has publicly announced that no new offshore drilling grants will be issued until a review, to be completed by the end of the month. Nevertheless, at least 27 exemptions have been granted, including one for a BP exploration plan for drilling at more than 4,000 feet. Another exemption was granted to Anadarko Petroleum Corporation for an exploration plan at more than 9,000 feet. The Deepwater Horizon was drilling at about 5,000 feet.

“The same problems we saw under the Bush administration are continuing under Obama,” Suckling said. “The change in political parties has done very little in terms of corporate domination of the political system. Who got to vote on turning over our natural resources to private corporations? The whole system is corrupt from the bottom up.”

The Obama administration’s announcement earlier this year that he would expand offshore oil drilling was a clear sop for the oil industry, as was his earlier decision to appoint Salazar as Interior Secretary. Suckling noted that as a Senator for Colorado Salazar supported the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006, which expanded drilling. Salazar received money from BP, and when he became Interior Secretary he brought several BP officials on his staff.

Interesting site;

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion
World Socialist Web Site
wsws.org
Published by the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI)
Click here for advanced search »



World Socialist Web Site.org!!!!!

OK....................

Leave it to Old Rocks to find a fake website in the nether-regions of the internet!!!



:clap2::clap2:






Nobody cares s0n.....................not at all part of the public litany, except if youre a far left fcukking k00k!!!:lol:
 
Obama getting the 20 bill was ginormus. That said if it's fair to bash bush for Katrina it's more than fair to Bash Obama's inept cleanup response.
 
I see this guided towards Obama and the scrutiny of everything he does. 20 billion dollars aside, I have a question for you all....


How long did it take Bush 1 to respond to the exxon Valdez disaster? Did he ever even address it let alone get the victims money?

Seriously, right leaning people, can anyone one of you answer me this, did he do ANYTHING about the Valdez?
Yes, I know that was a while ago, but I am just reminded time and time again how bad Obama handled this, but Bush 1 did nothing.

Valdez = Bush 1 = He did nothing and no scrutiny from any right wingers.
Gulf = Obama = 20 billion dollars for victims and scrutiny on EVERY aspect of everything he does.

Why the difference? I know he said he would continue deep drilling after the valdez, but that is just one of the problems we are dealing with now. :eusa_whistle:

Stay on point please. This thread is about response time from Bush 1 and why there was NO back lash for it. I found ONE thing he said after the Valdez and all he said was he will continue drilling and looking for energy. Never about the Valdez directly really.

STAY ON POINT PLEASE.


The only point I see is; because "Bush I" did nothing about Valdez, it is OK that BO is doing too, little too late with this problem? :confused:



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I see this guided towards Obama and the scrutiny of everything he does. 20 billion dollars aside, I have a question for you all....


How long did it take Bush 1 to respond to the exxon Valdez disaster? Did he ever even address it let alone get the victims money?

Seriously, right leaning people, can anyone one of you answer me this, did he do ANYTHING about the Valdez?
Yes, I know that was a while ago, but I am just reminded time and time again how bad Obama handled this, but Bush 1 did nothing.

Valdez = Bush 1 = He did nothing and no scrutiny from any right wingers.
Gulf = Obama = 20 billion dollars for victims and scrutiny on EVERY aspect of everything he does.

Why the difference? I know he said he would continue deep drilling after the valdez, but that is just one of the problems we are dealing with now. :eusa_whistle:

Stay on point please. This thread is about response time from Bush 1 and why there was NO back lash for it. I found ONE thing he said after the Valdez and all he said was he will continue drilling and looking for energy. Never about the Valdez directly really.

STAY ON POINT PLEASE.


The only point I see is; because "Bush I" did nothing about Valdez, it is OK that BO is doing too, little too late with this problem? :confused:



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The point of this was to point out to you how much scrutiny you guys are giving Obama but yet, when your president (a republican) you gave no scrutiny whatsoever, which makes you a hypocrite.
 
I still fail to see the validity of the complaint that Obama failed to respond.

What EXACTLY did he fail to do?

None of you has yet told us what steps he might have taken that he failed to do.

Why?

Because you're blowing partisan smoke, that's why.
 
I still fail to see the validity of the complaint that Obama failed to respond.

What EXACTLY did he fail to do?

None of you has yet told us what steps he might have taken that he failed to do.

Why?

Because you're blowing partisan smoke, that's why.

He's sitting on a $400B hoard of appropriated Stimulus funds that the Gulf desperately needs, but he's holding the funds back to buy ads bashing Republicans and funding ACORN Get Out the Vote efforts later this year
 
Interesting site;

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion
World Socialist Web Site
wsws.org
Published by the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI)
Click here for advanced search »

World Socialist Web Site.org!!!!!

OK....................

Leave it to Old Rocks to find a fake website in the nether-regions of the internet!!!

:clap2::clap2:

Nobody cares s0n.....................not at all part of the public litany, except if youre a far left fcukking k00k!!!:lol:

What is fake about the World Socialist Web Site.org? It is very real & has been in business for more than 12 years publishing their socialist world views & news. The thing that scares the Obama supporters is my link did not come from FOX News. It came from their fellow socialist who are pissed at their own. Someday both sides will figure out we are not a free market or socialist. We live under crony capitalism which is much worse.

If all of us at USMB pooled our money & wanted to lease a drill rig to go offshore & drill for oil we would not be allowed to bypass the regulators & take money shaving shortcuts. We would soon be out of business because we could not compete with Big Oil who had lower cost because they did not have to follow regs, get huge subsidies & circumvent taxes. The rules of business in our country is first pay-off the leaders & then you can do anything you want including screw the citizens as much as you wish.
 
I see this guided towards Obama and the scrutiny of everything he does. 20 billion dollars aside, I have a question for you all....


How long did it take Bush 1 to respond to the exxon Valdez disaster? Did he ever even address it let alone get the victims money?

Seriously, right leaning people, can anyone one of you answer me this, did he do ANYTHING about the Valdez?
Yes, I know that was a while ago, but I am just reminded time and time again how bad Obama handled this, but Bush 1 did nothing.

Valdez = Bush 1 = He did nothing and no scrutiny from any right wingers.
Gulf = Obama = 20 billion dollars for victims and scrutiny on EVERY aspect of everything he does.

Why the difference? I know he said he would continue deep drilling after the valdez, but that is just one of the problems we are dealing with now. :eusa_whistle:

Stay on point please. This thread is about response time from Bush 1 and why there was NO back lash for it. I found ONE thing he said after the Valdez and all he said was he will continue drilling and looking for energy. Never about the Valdez directly really.

STAY ON POINT PLEASE.


The only point I see is; because "Bush I" did nothing about Valdez, it is OK that BO is doing too, little too late with this problem? :confused:



.


The point of this was to point out to you how much scrutiny you guys are giving Obama but yet, when your president (a republican) you gave no scrutiny whatsoever, which makes you a hypocrite.

go back and read critisism of Bush/Katrina moron
 
Interesting site;

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion
World Socialist Web Site
wsws.org
Published by the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI)
Click here for advanced search »

World Socialist Web Site.org!!!!!

OK....................

Leave it to Old Rocks to find a fake website in the nether-regions of the internet!!!

:clap2::clap2:

Nobody cares s0n.....................not at all part of the public litany, except if youre a far left fcukking k00k!!!:lol:

What is fake about the World Socialist Web Site.org? It is very real & has been in business for more than 12 years publishing their socialist world views & news. The thing that scares the Obama supporters is my link did not come from FOX News. It came from their fellow socialist who are pissed at their own. Someday both sides will figure out we are not a free market or socialist. We live under crony capitalism which is much worse.

If all of us at USMB pooled our money & wanted to lease a drill rig to go offshore & drill for oil we would not be allowed to bypass the regulators & take money shaving shortcuts. We would soon be out of business because we could not compete with Big Oil who had lower cost because they did not have to follow regs, get huge subsidies & circumvent taxes. The rules of business in our country is first pay-off the leaders & then you can do anything you want including screw the citizens as much as you wish.

Are all tea baggers white trash GEDs or did you get some college?
 
Are all tea baggers white trash GEDs or did you get some college?

Are all Democrats mentally deficient products of the public communist school system or did you get some special schooling & ride the short bus to a place they told you was a college?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8"]DEMOCRATS[/ame]
 

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