Request: Please cut the marxist/stalinist/fascist/... bullshit

[Old Rocks]

You know what term I thought was funny?

Liberal fascist.

The stupid fucker who called me that (CMike) doesn't have a clue what those 2 words mean, nor do they wish to correct their definitions, as all they need to know, they learned on FAUX.

I even posted the definitions for them, but, alas..........to no avail.

What's even stranger is the GOP painting Obama as Hitler, but there's several things wrong with that......Obama is a Democrat, which means that he's a left winger.

Fascists (Nazis) are extreme RIGHT wingers.

I guess when you're just concerned with using fear and intimidation, you really don't care about what is or isn't true.

One of hitlers first act as ruler was to provide socialized medicine. It was one of the National Socialist German Workers' Party's (NAZIS) central core values. I think thats why people are making that comparison

I can see the stretch being made, remember people compairing bush to hiltler? Or people calling him a fascist? Pure idiocracy no matter which side does it.

Dems aren't nazi fascists, repubs aren't nazi fascists however fascists can both be conservative and liberal. Do you even know what fascism is?

From the merriam-webster dictionary:

Main Entry: fas·cism.Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\.
Function: noun.
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces.
Date: 1921.
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>

See now, it has nothing to do with right or left. More to do with how a government uses it's power to achieve it's means.

Not at all, PP. Otto von Bismark did that in the 1880s.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

You know what term I thought was funny?

Liberal fascist.

The stupid fucker who called me that (CMike) doesn't have a clue what those 2 words mean, nor do they wish to correct their definitions, as all they need to know, they learned on FAUX.

I even posted the definitions for them, but, alas..........to no avail.

What's even stranger is the GOP painting Obama as Hitler, but there's several things wrong with that......Obama is a Democrat, which means that he's a left winger.

Fascists (Nazis) are extreme RIGHT wingers.

I guess when you're just concerned with using fear and intimidation, you really don't care about what is or isn't true.

Uh NOoooiuuu...

There's actually nothing 'Right Wing' about fascism...

But you're invited to post whatever "rightwing" traits you feel fascism exemplifies...

 

[Avatar4321]

I agree. stop being marxists. It's a failed idealogy. It results in only death. You need to progress past it.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know what term I thought was funny?

Liberal fascist.

The stupid fucker who called me that (CMike) doesn't have a clue what those 2 words mean, nor do they wish to correct their definitions, as all they need to know, they learned on FAUX.

I even posted the definitions for them, but, alas..........to no avail.

What's even stranger is the GOP painting Obama as Hitler, but there's several things wrong with that......Obama is a Democrat, which means that he's a left winger.

Fascists (Nazis) are extreme RIGHT wingers.

I guess when you're just concerned with using fear and intimidation, you really don't care about what is or isn't true.

Uh NOoooiuuu...

There's actually nothing 'Right Wing' about fascism...

But you're invited to post whatever "rightwing" traits you feel fascism exemplifies...

I'd say they've got quite a few.....

 

[Cuyo]

You know what term I thought was funny?

Liberal fascist.

The stupid fucker who called me that (CMike) doesn't have a clue what those 2 words mean, nor do they wish to correct their definitions, as all they need to know, they learned on FAUX.

I even posted the definitions for them, but, alas..........to no avail.

What's even stranger is the GOP painting Obama as Hitler, but there's several things wrong with that......Obama is a Democrat, which means that he's a left winger.

Fascists (Nazis) are extreme RIGHT wingers.

I guess when you're just concerned with using fear and intimidation, you really don't care about what is or isn't true.

Yes, the "Dude" spent a great deal of time and energy trying to explain to me that Hitler admired Marx (Wow, really huh?)

Eventually they just call you stupid and disappear from the thread. It's aggravating enough to make me wanna bang my head against a wall.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

 

[Munin]

Communists also don't believe in god

False statement.

See: Christian Communism

Ok, but that s weird example. Generally speaking you can say that the majority communists are atheists. See the controversy that they have with marxist philisophy

Controversy
Communism or communalism

A number of Christians, of various political persuasions, object to the use of the word communism in the term "Christian communism" due to that word's association with the governments of nations such as the Soviet Union, Cuba, China, and North Korea, which are seen or have been seen as oppressive in the US. Many of the policies adopted by the governments of those countries were arguably un-Christian in character, including official state hostility towards religious institutions. As such, many Christians argue that the title of Christian communalism should be used, rather than Christian communism.[4]

On the other hand, some Christian communists[who?] believe that it is necessary to employ the word communism in order to capture the essence of their position on economics. They point out the existence of significant communist opposition to the totalitarian "communist states" of the 20th century (including, for example, Trotskyism), and argue that, if they were to abandon the term communism, it would only serve to further obscure the history of that opposition. Thus, these Christian communists hold that the term 'Christian communism' is accurate and appropriate, as long as it is specified that they belong to the democratic, anti-Stalinist branch of communism.


Atheism and communism

Contemporary communism, including contemporary Christian communism, owes much to Marxist thought - particularly Marxist economics. Not all communists are in full agreement with Marxism, but it is difficult to find any communists today who do not agree at least with the Marxist critique of capitalism. Marxism, however, includes a complex array of views that cover several different fields of human knowledge, and one may easily distinguish between Marxist philosophy, Marxist sociology and Marxist economics. Marxist sociology and Marxist economics have no connection to religious issues and make no assertions about such things. Marxist philosophy, on the other hand, is famously atheistic.

It is certainly possible to embrace Marxist economics, for example, or certain aspects of it, without embracing Marxist philosophy. In fact, that is what the majority of religious communists (not just Christians) have done. In their view, the different fields of Marxist thought have little in common with each other beyond the fact that they were initially proposed by the same person (Karl Marx). However, other communists believe that all fields of Marxist thought are interrelated, and therefore feel it necessary to subscribe to all of them. These communists are either atheists or agnostics, and they have been leading the communist movement for the past 150 years. This has given rise to the popular image of communism as an atheistic movement.

The Christian communist view of Karl Marx is mixed. Marx provided the solid economic and sociological foundation upon which the communist movement was built and brought it from relative obscurity to a position of significance on the international political stage. On the other hand, Marx was the first to divorce communism from Christian principles, and as a result there was a strong association during the 20th century between communism and atheism or agnosticism.

The communist movement has been highly fragmented since 1990; while Communist Parties worldwide continue to have millions of members, there is little coordination between them. As such, there is no reliable statistical data on the religious views of communists as a whole. It is commonly assumed, and likely, that the majority are still atheists.

 

[Munin]

Ok then.
So the question is , If Beck is right Does it matter?

Yes, it does matter. To check the probability of something said in the news to be truthfull/accurate you should look at other newssources to see how many times it is repeated (in both leftist, moderate and right extremist news sources: it is important to have a varied collection of sources). This is assuming good journalism works (which we can assume if we look at a large scale), but I m sure that respected newspapers like WSJ or the NYT have at least a decent level of journalism. To increase the probability of something being true: check foreign news sources, if a communist newspaper, a extreem right newspaper and a moderate newspaper all say the same thing it will be most probably accurate.

 

[AllieBaba]

The majority of communists don't have a choice over what religion they are. Their religion, or lack thereof, is dictated by the state.

 

[rightwinger]

The Marxist, Communist, Nazi labels appeal to the 20% of the population who still are living the Cold War. They have no concept of what they mean....but they know its BAD. Recent polls show the Republican base eating it up.

But it doesn't win elections on a national level and will be more of a label of Republican extremism than on the Democrats

 

[Munin]

These are volitale times we're living in

plenty of us (including myself) are not too happy with the road America is going down

so we spew these words to thwart those who would cheerlead it on, in our ansgt claiming that it's wrong, it's just not America, or American

but can any of you define what truly IS America and American

and have the majority here agree on it?

Herding cats. i'm told, would be easier.....

~S~

You just defined what is truly american : having the possibility to disagree on everything

 

[Munin]

As for fascism, if we had to choose to compare wich party is more fascist:

"authoritarian nationalist political ideology",

the biggest nationalist party in the US:
GOP / DNC


Fascist regimes rule by using scare tactics & propaganda to increase their popularity (often by using a potential enemy, usually a country seen as "hostile": Soviet Union, Communists, ...):

GOP / DNC


Fascists promote principles of masculine heroism, patriotism, militarism, and discipline (often promotion of waging war can be included):

GOP / DNC


rejects cultural pluralism and multiculturalism, this could be reflected in anti-immigration policy and suppressed feelings of racism or simply put: hatred against foreigners:

GOP / DNC


Mussolini perceived women's primary role as childbearers while men should be warriors, once saying "war is to man what maternity is to the woman". Fascist movements and governments opposed homosexuality. The Italian Fascist government declared it illegal in Italy in 1931.[162] The Nazis thought homosexuality was degenerate, effeminate, perverted and undermined the masculinity which they promoted, because it did not produce children.

GOP / DNC



Fascists made populist appeals to the middle class (especially the lower middle class) by promising to protect small business and small property owners from communism, and by promising an economy based on competition and profit while pledging to oppose big business.

GOP (except for the fact that republicans usually defend big businesses this seems to be right) / DNC



Fascists opposed laissez-faire economic policies dominant in the era prior to the Great Depression.

GOP / DNC



Fascism had a social Darwinist view of human relations.[200] They promoted the interests of successful businesses while banning trade unions and other workers' organizations.[201] Mussolini wrote approvingly of the notion that profits should not, for any purpose, be taken away from those who produce them from their own labour, saying "I do not respect &#8212; I even hate &#8212; those men that leech a tenth of the riches produced by others".

GOP / DNC


Fascists did not support social welfare for egalitarian reasons. Fascists criticised egalitarianism as preserving the weak. Adolf Hitler was opposed to egalitarian and universal social welfare because, in his view, it encouraged the preservation of the degenerate and feeble.

GOP / DNC


The Fascist government in Italy banned literature on birth control and increased penalties on abortion in 1926, declaring them both crimes against the state.

GOP / DNC


Thus fascism tends to be anti-intellectual.[138] The Nazis, in particular, despised intellectuals and university professors. Hitler declared them unreliable, useless and even dangerous.[139] He said: "When I take a look at the intellectual classes we have - unfortunately, I suppose, they are necessary; otherwise one could one day, I don't know, exterminate them or something - but unfortunately they're necessary."

GOP (example: Sarah Palin) / DNC

 

[JWBooth]

As for fascism, if we had to choose to compare wich party is more fascist:

"authoritarian nationalist political ideology",

the biggest nationalist party in the US:
GOP / DNC


Fascist regimes rule by using scare tactics & propaganda to increase their popularity (often by using a potential enemy, usually a country seen as "hostile": Soviet Union, Communists, ...):

GOP / DNC


Fascists promote principles of masculine heroism, patriotism, militarism, and discipline (often promotion of waging war can be included):

GOP / DNC


rejects cultural pluralism and multiculturalism, this could be reflected in anti-immigration policy and suppressed feelings of racism or simply put: hatred against foreigners:

GOP / DNC


Mussolini perceived women's primary role as childbearers while men should be warriors, once saying "war is to man what maternity is to the woman". Fascist movements and governments opposed homosexuality. The Italian Fascist government declared it illegal in Italy in 1931.[162] The Nazis thought homosexuality was degenerate, effeminate, perverted and undermined the masculinity which they promoted, because it did not produce children.

GOP / DNC



Fascists made populist appeals to the middle class (especially the lower middle class) by promising to protect small business and small property owners from communism, and by promising an economy based on competition and profit while pledging to oppose big business.

GOP (except the fact that republicans usually defend big businesses this seems to be right) / DNC



Fascists opposed laissez-faire economic policies dominant in the era prior to the Great Depression.

GOP / DNC



Fascism had a social Darwinist view of human relations.[200] They promoted the interests of successful businesses while banning trade unions and other workers' organizations.[201] Mussolini wrote approvingly of the notion that profits should not, for any purpose, be taken away from those who produce them from their own labour, saying "I do not respect &#8212; I even hate &#8212; those men that leech a tenth of the riches produced by others".

GOP / DNC


Fascists did not support social welfare for egalitarian reasons. Fascists criticised egalitarianism as preserving the weak. Adolf Hitler was opposed to egalitarian and universal social welfare because, in his view, it encouraged the preservation of the degenerate and feeble.

GOP / DNC


The Fascist government in Italy banned literature on birth control and increased penalties on abortion in 1926, declaring them both crimes against the state.

GOP / DNC


Thus fascism tends to be anti-intellectual.[138] The Nazis, in particular, despised intellectuals and university professors. Hitler declared them unreliable, useless and even dangerous.[139] He said: "When I take a look at the intellectual classes we have - unfortunately, I suppose, they are necessary; otherwise one could one day, I don't know, exterminate them or something - but unfortunately they're necessary."

GOP (example: Sarah Palin) / DNC

GOP / DNC Two faces of the same statist coin.

 

[Oddball]

As for fascism, if we had to choose to compare wich party is more fascist:


Fascist regimes rule by using scare tactics & propaganda to increase their popularity (often by using a potential enemy, usually a country seen as "hostile": Soviet Union, Communists, ...):

GOP / DNC


Fascists promote principles of masculine heroism, patriotism, militarism, and discipline (often promotion of waging war can be included):

GOP / DNC


Fascists made populist appeals to the middle class (especially the lower middle class) by promising to protect small business and small property owners from communism, and by promising an economy based on competition and profit while pledging to oppose big business.

GOP (except the fact that republicans usually defend big businesses this seems to be right) / DNC


Thus fascism tends to be anti-intellectual.[138] The Nazis, in particular, despised intellectuals and university professors. Hitler declared them unreliable, useless and even dangerous.[139] He said: "When I take a look at the intellectual classes we have - unfortunately, I suppose, they are necessary; otherwise one could one day, I don't know, exterminate them or something - but unfortunately they're necessary."

GOP (example: Sarah Palin) / DNC

WRONG!...Both parties engage in those behaviors.

The American left engages in anti-intellectualism via political correctness, social promotion and outcome-based education, among other approaches.

 

[Munin]

GOP / DNC Two facs of the same statist coin.

you mean this coin? (srry I m no good at answering on one-liners)

 

[Munin]

WRONG!...Both parties engage in those behaviors.

The American left engages in anti-intellectualism via political correctness, social promotion and outcome-based education, among other approaches.

Yes but one party empathises more with certain ideas than the other, you can not ignore the pro religious anti-intelectual movement from the republican base. You ignore the negativity against the intelectual elite that the republican base has: see previous elections when the current president was then depicted as an intelectual elitist by republicans. I see that base capable of burning books in the name of their religion and I also see the vice presidential candidate banning books that do not correspond with her beliefs http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5766173&page=1

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The Marxist, Communist, Nazi labels appeal to the 20% of the population who still are living the Cold War. They have no concept of what they mean....but they know its BAD. Recent polls show the Republican base eating it up.

But it doesn't win elections on a national level and will be more of a label of Republican extremism than on the Democrats

ROFLMNAO...

There is no greater ignorance regarding the understanding of Left-think and it's various, innumerable rationalizations than that exhibited by the Left itself.

Many of these people are operating on the assumption that Left-think is perfectly in keeping with American principle. When in truth, Left-think; on the whole, in total, as a rule; without exception... stands wholly antithetical TO THE PRINCIPLES on which America rests.

But hey... that's idiocy for ya; Left-think relies upon myth innuendo and deciet... in practice; all forms of Left-think require the collective be deceived, that morality be relative; thus the Leftist culture is quickly mired in fraud.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Marxism, communism, socialism, fascism . . . .

Whatever each of these actually mean when any of these are used today it's always with the same intent . . . more government control, whether that is the definition of these things or not. All of these things are used interchangeably to mean more government.

Why don't we call what is happening in this country right now what it is? Governmentism.

Least, that's how I see it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I m getting really annoyed by how much marxist/stalinist/fascist/... is being slept around these days, my advice would be:

a) go to the doctor and take a pill
b) go back to school
c) read a book
d) cut the crap


If you think yelling marxist/stalinist/fascist/... at everything that doesn't fit you makes you sound intelligent, than you couldn't be more dumb. If you have an argument make it with facts, not by yelling names. It is like some people think they re back in the kindergarden

If the mustache fits, wear it

 

[PixieStix]

Marxism, communism, socialism, fascism . . . .

Whatever each of these actually mean when any of these are used today it's always with the same intent . . . more government control, whether that is the definition of these things or not. All of these things are used interchangeably to mean more government.

Why don't we call what is happening in this country right now what it is? Governmentism.

Least, that's how I see it.

Obama has managed to create a new ism, Obamunism is a new and improved fast track to the take over the greatest country that ever existed. He learned well how to use community organization to apply his own brand of ism's. Soros chose his puppet well