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    Republicans and Democrats seeking to change the 14th Amendment to deny U.S. citizenship to people born in the United States whose birth mother is illegally in the U.S. and whose father is not a U.S. citizen is an excellent idea that America should pursue with all its fervor! The country has to solve this illegal immigration problem it is so divisive and expensive to America and it is so impairs the sharing of America’s prosperity to ordinary Americans that we can’t as a people can’t let this fester indefinitely. There is no easy solution to solving this problem, there are only partial solutions available that will add up to a good overall solution. It is going to take sealing the border, it is going to take denying work to illegals, it is going to take providing a path to citizenship for the majority of illegals (the American people don’t have the will to deport anywhere near the number of eleven million illegals in the country nor is it morally right to do so and there will never be the needed good workplace enforcement on immigration with anywhere near this number of illegals in the country) and “yes” it will take stopping for illegals birthright citizenship for their children born in the U.S.. The truth of the matter is birthright citizenship is an incentive for women to illegally come into America especially in border states so it has to be removed. Furthermore, if illegals know that their children born in this country will not be U.S. citizens, birthright citizenship is ended, many of these illegals will want their children to grow-up in their home country and thus many women from these families will either not illegally come to the U.S. or will leave and take their children with them because if their children grow-up in the U.S. and are deported they will likely have a tough time living in their parents home country because of unfamiliarity with the language and culture and because they will be viewed as an outsider by the locals. Nevertheless, when the 14th Amendment is changed it should still allow birthright citizenship for the children born in the U.S. from immigrants with permanent residency status, a green card, because to do otherwise would be too burdensome and too inconsiderate to these families because not only would the mother and father have to jump through the hoops necessary to become U.S. citizens but so would their children and that is asking too much!

    To be frank if an American claims to support the immigration laws of our country and does not support “stopping” birthright citizenship to children of illegals either they don’t really care enough about the issue as a good citizen should because they haven’t fully considered the effects of this path to citizenship on the whole immigration problem or they lack credibility on the issue because they don’t “really” support America’s immigration laws. This change to the !4th Amendment should just sail through, it should have large scale bipartisan support. You know if the country made this change, it would provide a significant help to rebutting many of the critics of comprehensive immigration reform, Who say America tried comprehensive immigration reform in the Reagan administration where they legalized three million illegal immigrants it didn’t stop the flow of illegal immigration nothing changed in America. Well if America makes this constitutional change this will be big difference compared to the course taken during the Reagan administration. One criticism of this constitutional change deserves to be addressed; the criticism essentially says if this change is done you’ll see adult age people in America born in America that don’t have U.S. citizenship because their parents were illegal and that is unfair to these people because they did nothing wrong. First thing that needs to be mentioned is that if the country passes legislation which provides a path to citizenship for the vast majority of eleven million illegals in America than the country can really do what is needed and really reach its potential (we live in an advanced technological age) in “denying work” to illegals in the U.S. it can mandate the universal use of E-verify, it can stop the unauthorized use of social security numbers and if America stops providing jobs to illegals then illegals won’t come and won’t stay in America and America will see little of the above scenario. Secondly, as emotionally moving as this scenario is it is very close to the same level of emotionally moving a scenario as when children from another country are illegally brought to America as infants and are raised in the U.S. and are adults and have no citizenship, sometimes parents cause harm to their children through their actions which is what is occurring here and this unfortunate situation for these people is not a good reason to continue birthright citizenship.

    Proponents behind this change for the fourteenth amendment “need to stop” trying to persuade Americans that they should make this change because the framers of the fourteenth amendment never intended for it to be used the way it is today that is, by women to illegally come to the U.S. and have a baby who is then a naturalizes citizen! Critics of this constitutional change have a field day with this approach where they roll out all the Supreme Court opinions where they say the Supreme Court says the intent of the framers was precisely that simple being born in the U.S. is all that is needed for U.S. citizenship. Proponents with this framers approach make the issue a complex and cloudy issue when it shouldn’t be and a consequence is that many ordinary Americans are not persuaded convincingly that they are right and this really hurts the proponents cause. Proponents should be focusing on the immigration problems of today and emphasizing how this change will provide needed help for the problem. In addition, proponents should be emphasizing that the vast vast majority of countries throughout the world do not have simple birthright citizenship, the American people need to look out for their interests just like other people’s throughout the world look out for theirs. Lastly, proponents have to ignore the mass of political pundits and analyst on TV who have criticized this institutive; it is nearly impossible to stomach these critics who say things like the Republican proponents behind this are so foolish because they are going to lose the Hispanic vote, the constitution defines citizenship why do they want to change the constitution? The public discussion should be all about doing what is right not all these red herring subjects, this immigration problem has gone on for too long good and fair solutions exists like this change to the constitution which American politicians should adopt and enact into law, speedily!
     
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    The framers did not write the 14th amendment IDIOTS.

    It was added around the time of the CIVIL WAR to make sure Slaves kids were Citizens even if states denied the free slaves citizenship.

    Try again IDIOTS
     
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    So right.

    The 14th was added to guarantee citizenship the the children of slaves and the children of Native American.

    It wasn't written to cover the children born of illegals either in the US or US territory. Should be ammended
     
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    It applies to all humans born in the US.


    It will not be changed.

    Take your racism elsewhere
     
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    How about you take your stupid self somewhere else.

    If someones opinion differs from yours they are racist according to you. That just shows what a flamming idiot you really are.

    I think it will be ammended. Stuff that up your ass moron.
     
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    You want to limit these births because they are brown births.

    This is not any real problem for the US
     
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    criminals should not be rewarded for breaking the law.....
     
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    Mexicans are helper monkeys from Latin American. That means they are subject to quarentine at the border.
     
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    Did you miss the part where the OP said, "the FRAMERS OF THE 14TH" That would indicate that the author of the OP wasn't trying to imply that Tom Jefferson and his friends wrote it. You might want to wipe down those glass walls before you start throwing "idiots" around.
     
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    Not a problem??

    How about the social services these people suck down. How about the rights they enjoy??

    You keep bringing up the color of everyones skin not me there asshole.

    I'm talking about anyone who is in this country illegally and drops a kid who is automatically a US citizen and entitled to everything that entails. I don't give a shit what color they are.

    You obviously are fixated on color and the word racist comes pretty easily to you. Must be a Dem "Thing."

    Perhaps your the one who doesn't like blacks, yellows or browns. Racist. LOL
     

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