Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report

The GOP is far more concerned about their party and politics than they are with the future of this country. Their stated purpose from the beginning has been to defeat Obama. They are indignant that a Black Man had the audacity to run for the White House and incredulous that he actually won.

You’re correct except for the ‘black man’ part. We’d see just as much hate for Obama regardless of his race – see: Clinton, William Jefferson.
I hope the debt ceiling doesn't get raised. I want to see what will happen and which side made the right prediction.

I’d rather not.

It won’t happen, of course, but I’d like both sides to come together and resolve the issue in a rational, objective, and factual manner.

But otherwise the GOP is mostly to blame: its refusal to consider tax increases is irrational and unreasonable – it’s the stuff of partisan dogma, not responsible and pragmatic governance.
 
Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report

By the end of the debt-ceiling negotiations, the Obama administration had agreed to a deal that would reduce the deficit by $2.4 trillion, with $2 trillion of the total coming from spending cuts and $400 billion coming from tax increases. Taxes, in other words, would be about 17 percent of the final deal. Republicans rejected it. But as little as four months ago, it was the Republican ideal.

Mike Konczal points us to “Spend Less, Owe Less, Grow the Economy,” the March 2011 report released by the Republicans on the Joint Economic Committee. The report, which tried to argue that fiscal austerity would lead to short-term growth, was as methodologically unsound, and quickly forgotten. But for our purposes, that’s irrelevant. What is relevant is the report’s golden ratio: “successful fiscal consolidations averaged 85% spending cuts and 15% revenue increases, while unsuccessful fiscal consolidations averaged 47% spending cuts and 53% revenue increases,” it concluded. There was even a graph:

republican%20jec%20graph.jpg


So when the GOP’s economic policy team sat down to make the strongest case they could for growth-inducing deficit reduction, they recommended a mix an 85:15 mix, not a 100:0 mix. And then, when the Obama administration agreed to an 83:17 mix, the Republican leadership walked out of the room and demanded that taxes be excluded from the deal altogether. How do you negotiate with that?

Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

It almost looks like some people are starting to pay attention.

This kind of thing has been going on for well over a year on a number of different issues. Republicans are playing for time (at the expense of the rest of us). They don't want to do ANYTHING that might help the economy because they want Obama to pay a political price if/when the economy doesn't improve, or even gets worse.

I think Republicans are suffering from the political equivalent of Munchhausen by proxy. Somebody tell the GOP to stop strangling us, PLEASE!
 
The GOP will use the tired old excuse that giving the rich tax breaks will add job, for as long as they will be around. Which may not be that much longer, if the demographics of this country continue to change. The Hispanic vote could bring an end to the GOP, sooner than many people think.

The Republican Party does NOT have the market on Religion or morality. I am a Christian, but I also know when there is a concerted effort to bring down a person with lies and fabrications. That is exactly what the Republican Party is doing.

We need to keep score of how many untruths Bachamann tells, as she vies for the GOP nomination. Stating you are moral and a Christian is far from actually conducting yourself as one.
 
Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report

By the end of the debt-ceiling negotiations, the Obama administration had agreed to a deal that would reduce the deficit by $2.4 trillion, with $2 trillion of the total coming from spending cuts and $400 billion coming from tax increases. Taxes, in other words, would be about 17 percent of the final deal. Republicans rejected it. But as little as four months ago, it was the Republican ideal.

Mike Konczal points us to “Spend Less, Owe Less, Grow the Economy,” the March 2011 report released by the Republicans on the Joint Economic Committee. The report, which tried to argue that fiscal austerity would lead to short-term growth, was as methodologically unsound, and quickly forgotten. But for our purposes, that’s irrelevant. What is relevant is the report’s golden ratio: “successful fiscal consolidations averaged 85% spending cuts and 15% revenue increases, while unsuccessful fiscal consolidations averaged 47% spending cuts and 53% revenue increases,” it concluded. There was even a graph:

republican%20jec%20graph.jpg


So when the GOP’s economic policy team sat down to make the strongest case they could for growth-inducing deficit reduction, they recommended a mix an 85:15 mix, not a 100:0 mix. And then, when the Obama administration agreed to an 83:17 mix, the Republican leadership walked out of the room and demanded that taxes be excluded from the deal altogether. How do you negotiate with that?

Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

It almost looks like some people are starting to pay attention.

Total BS! Here is what the article said:
Both sides, as they often said, were shooting for about $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. They'd already agreed on around $1 trillion in spending cuts and were making good progress on the rest of it. But Democrats insisted that $400 billion -- so, 17 percent -- of the package be tax increases. And that's when Republicans walked.

The agreement was on "around $1 trillion" in spending cuts." $400 billion is 40% of the package, not 17%. I say that the Republicans walked out because they couldn't get the other $1.4 trillion that they were allegedly "making good progress on."
 
Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report

By the end of the debt-ceiling negotiations, the Obama administration had agreed to a deal that would reduce the deficit by $2.4 trillion, with $2 trillion of the total coming from spending cuts and $400 billion coming from tax increases. Taxes, in other words, would be about 17 percent of the final deal. Republicans rejected it. But as little as four months ago, it was the Republican ideal.

Mike Konczal points us to “Spend Less, Owe Less, Grow the Economy,” the March 2011 report released by the Republicans on the Joint Economic Committee. The report, which tried to argue that fiscal austerity would lead to short-term growth, was as methodologically unsound, and quickly forgotten. But for our purposes, that’s irrelevant. What is relevant is the report’s golden ratio: “successful fiscal consolidations averaged 85% spending cuts and 15% revenue increases, while unsuccessful fiscal consolidations averaged 47% spending cuts and 53% revenue increases,” it concluded. There was even a graph:

republican%20jec%20graph.jpg


So when the GOP’s economic policy team sat down to make the strongest case they could for growth-inducing deficit reduction, they recommended a mix an 85:15 mix, not a 100:0 mix. And then, when the Obama administration agreed to an 83:17 mix, the Republican leadership walked out of the room and demanded that taxes be excluded from the deal altogether. How do you negotiate with that?

Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

It almost looks like some people are starting to pay attention.

What did Pelosi say about the debt commission?

Pelosi, political left rip proposal from debt commission chairmen - The Hill's On The Money
 
The GOP is far more concerned about their party and politics than they are with the future of this country. Their stated purpose from the beginning has been to defeat Obama. They are indignant that a Black Man had the audacity to run for the White House and incredulous that he actually won.

There is nothing that won't do to get rid of Obama, even to the point of pushing this country into default. The Tea Baggers have establishment Republicans running scared.

There are 18,000 baby-boomers entering social security--medicare DAILY and this will continue for the next 15 years. Resulting in another 64 TRILLION dollars in unfunded liabilites on top of the 14.3 trillion in red ink--we're at now. Which equates to $534,000.00 per household owed in America to pay this tab.

$1 billion dollars.jpg

1 billion dollars--$100.00 bills stacked on palets.

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1 trillion dollars--$100.00 bills stacked on palets--NOTE how small the man is in this chart.

Now when you liberals can figure out who to tax the crap out of to get 73 of the one trillion dollar chart--would you call your President on the Golf Course--the fundraiser event or the sporting complex so he can contribute some of the "leadership" that he was calling on everyone else to do--LOL. When there's blame--Obama always states--THEY--THEY--THEY. When their's praise it always--I, I, I.

The fact is--DEMOCRATS don't have a plan to deal with this debt crisis--so they just sit back and criticize everyone elses plan.
 
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Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report

By the end of the debt-ceiling negotiations, the Obama administration had agreed to a deal that would reduce the deficit by $2.4 trillion, with $2 trillion of the total coming from spending cuts and $400 billion coming from tax increases. Taxes, in other words, would be about 17 percent of the final deal. Republicans rejected it. But as little as four months ago, it was the Republican ideal.

Mike Konczal points us to “Spend Less, Owe Less, Grow the Economy,” the March 2011 report released by the Republicans on the Joint Economic Committee. The report, which tried to argue that fiscal austerity would lead to short-term growth, was as methodologically unsound, and quickly forgotten. But for our purposes, that’s irrelevant. What is relevant is the report’s golden ratio: “successful fiscal consolidations averaged 85% spending cuts and 15% revenue increases, while unsuccessful fiscal consolidations averaged 47% spending cuts and 53% revenue increases,” it concluded. There was even a graph:

republican%20jec%20graph.jpg


So when the GOP’s economic policy team sat down to make the strongest case they could for growth-inducing deficit reduction, they recommended a mix an 85:15 mix, not a 100:0 mix. And then, when the Obama administration agreed to an 83:17 mix, the Republican leadership walked out of the room and demanded that taxes be excluded from the deal altogether. How do you negotiate with that?

Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

It almost looks like some people are starting to pay attention.

Total BS! Here is what the article said:
Both sides, as they often said, were shooting for about $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. They'd already agreed on around $1 trillion in spending cuts and were making good progress on the rest of it. But Democrats insisted that $400 billion -- so, 17 percent -- of the package be tax increases. And that's when Republicans walked.

The agreement was on "around $1 trillion" in spending cuts." $400 billion is 40% of the package, not 17%. I say that the Republicans walked out because they couldn't get the other $1.4 trillion that they were allegedly "making good progress on."

That's bullshit... they walked and their explanation was that increasing revenue was part of the package and Taxes will never be part of the discussion.

GOP Walks out of Debt Ceiling talks because of taxed - Google Search

Simple google search. Every one of them says the same thing... from liberal to Conservative... More revisionist history from Conservatives.
 
Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report

This poor guy doesn't know how to read. The Republicans are saying tax increases are a bad idea. By growing the economy, you increase revenue. Obama wants to increase taxes by 17%. What don't you get? Are you just trolling or do you really believe what Ezra Klein is saying?
 
Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report

By the end of the debt-ceiling negotiations, the Obama administration had agreed to a deal that would reduce the deficit by $2.4 trillion, with $2 trillion of the total coming from spending cuts and $400 billion coming from tax increases. Taxes, in other words, would be about 17 percent of the final deal. Republicans rejected it. But as little as four months ago, it was the Republican ideal.

Mike Konczal points us to “Spend Less, Owe Less, Grow the Economy,” the March 2011 report released by the Republicans on the Joint Economic Committee. The report, which tried to argue that fiscal austerity would lead to short-term growth, was as methodologically unsound, and quickly forgotten. But for our purposes, that’s irrelevant. What is relevant is the report’s golden ratio: “successful fiscal consolidations averaged 85% spending cuts and 15% revenue increases, while unsuccessful fiscal consolidations averaged 47% spending cuts and 53% revenue increases,” it concluded. There was even a graph:

republican%20jec%20graph.jpg


So when the GOP’s economic policy team sat down to make the strongest case they could for growth-inducing deficit reduction, they recommended a mix an 85:15 mix, not a 100:0 mix. And then, when the Obama administration agreed to an 83:17 mix, the Republican leadership walked out of the room and demanded that taxes be excluded from the deal altogether. How do you negotiate with that?

Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

It almost looks like some people are starting to pay attention.

Total BS! Here is what the article said:
Both sides, as they often said, were shooting for about $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. They'd already agreed on around $1 trillion in spending cuts and were making good progress on the rest of it. But Democrats insisted that $400 billion -- so, 17 percent -- of the package be tax increases. And that's when Republicans walked.

The agreement was on "around $1 trillion" in spending cuts." $400 billion is 40% of the package, not 17%. I say that the Republicans walked out because they couldn't get the other $1.4 trillion that they were allegedly "making good progress on."

That's bullshit... they walked and their explanation was that increasing revenue was part of the package and Taxes will never be part of the discussion.

GOP Walks out of Debt Ceiling talks because of taxed - Google Search

Simple google search. Every one of them says the same thing... from liberal to Conservative... More revisionist history from Conservatives.


How are you going to come up with 64 TRILLION in unfunded liabilties--babyboomers now entering social security/medicare-- and another 14.3 TRILLION in red ink now--by just raising taxes?

The FACT is there isn't enough wealth in this entire COUNTRY to pay this tab. And raising anyone's taxes in a recession is economic suicide--and wouldn't even put a scratch into this debt.

Cuts have to made and it has to be done with a very sharp knife.
 
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Total BS! Here is what the article said:


The agreement was on "around $1 trillion" in spending cuts." $400 billion is 40% of the package, not 17%. I say that the Republicans walked out because they couldn't get the other $1.4 trillion that they were allegedly "making good progress on."

That's bullshit... they walked and their explanation was that increasing revenue was part of the package and Taxes will never be part of the discussion.

GOP Walks out of Debt Ceiling talks because of taxed - Google Search

Simple google search. Every one of them says the same thing... from liberal to Conservative... More revisionist history from Conservatives.


How are you going to come up with 64 TRILLION in unfunded liabilties--babyboomers now entering social security/medicare-- and another 14.3 TRILLION in red ink now--by just raising taxes?

The FACT is there isn't enough wealth in this entire COUNTRY to pay this tab.

Jesus.... When are you going to get it through your thick head... it's NOT JUST FROM RAISING TAXES!!!!!

there were $1M in Cuts already agreed upon with more to be negotiated. But as soon as the talks turned to expanding revenue... Cantor held his breath and walked away like a child. The Goal For BOTH PARTIES is a $4T reduction over 10 years. But the GOP ONLY wants it to be through cuts... making people like you and I pay for it all.... without ANY additional Sacrifice from our wealthiest(who don't need the services, so don't give a shit about the cuts).
 
Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report

This poor guy doesn't know how to read. The Republicans are saying tax increases are a bad idea. By growing the economy, you increase revenue. Obama wants to increase taxes by 17%. What don't you get? Are you just trolling or do you really believe what Ezra Klein is saying?

In RepublicanWorld, we would cut taxes to zero. That way, the government would have so much money from all that growth, we could fund Medicare, SS, weapons systems galore, military bases in 150 countries, -5% unemployment, neverevereverever have a recession or a deficit again, and everyone could have a pony or unicorn of their choice.

Oh, and just to remind everyone, we had three tax cuts in the first term of term of the last President, we still have almost all those tax cuts in place and one of the worst economies since the Depression.

:thup:




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Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report

This poor guy doesn't know how to read. The Republicans are saying tax increases are a bad idea. By growing the economy, you increase revenue. Obama wants to increase taxes by 17%. What don't you get? Are you just trolling or do you really believe what Ezra Klein is saying?

In RepublicanWorld, we would cut taxes to zero. That way, the government would have so much money from all that growth, we could fund Medicare, SS, weapons systems galore, military bases in 150 countries, -5% unemployment, neverevereverever have a recession or a deficit again, and everyone could have a pony or unicorn of their choice.

Oh, and just to remind everyone, we had three tax cuts in the first term of term of the last President, we still have almost all those tax cuts in place and one of the worst economies since the Depression.

:thup:




This post is brought to you by Liberty University and the Arther Laffer Institute, where the skies are green and gravity causes stuff to fall up.

Nice troll post. :thup:

(Although you don't usually troll. You must've had a great week.)
 
Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report

By the end of the debt-ceiling negotiations, the Obama administration had agreed to a deal that would reduce the deficit by $2.4 trillion, with $2 trillion of the total coming from spending cuts and $400 billion coming from tax increases. Taxes, in other words, would be about 17 percent of the final deal. Republicans rejected it. But as little as four months ago, it was the Republican ideal.

Mike Konczal points us to “Spend Less, Owe Less, Grow the Economy,” the March 2011 report released by the Republicans on the Joint Economic Committee. The report, which tried to argue that fiscal austerity would lead to short-term growth, was as methodologically unsound, and quickly forgotten. But for our purposes, that’s irrelevant. What is relevant is the report’s golden ratio: “successful fiscal consolidations averaged 85% spending cuts and 15% revenue increases, while unsuccessful fiscal consolidations averaged 47% spending cuts and 53% revenue increases,” it concluded. There was even a graph:

republican%20jec%20graph.jpg


So when the GOP’s economic policy team sat down to make the strongest case they could for growth-inducing deficit reduction, they recommended a mix an 85:15 mix, not a 100:0 mix. And then, when the Obama administration agreed to an 83:17 mix, the Republican leadership walked out of the room and demanded that taxes be excluded from the deal altogether. How do you negotiate with that?

Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

It almost looks like some people are starting to pay attention.

Total BS! Here is what the article said:
Both sides, as they often said, were shooting for about $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. They'd already agreed on around $1 trillion in spending cuts and were making good progress on the rest of it. But Democrats insisted that $400 billion -- so, 17 percent -- of the package be tax increases. And that's when Republicans walked.

The agreement was on "around $1 trillion" in spending cuts." $400 billion is 40% of the package, not 17%. I say that the Republicans walked out because they couldn't get the other $1.4 trillion that they were allegedly "making good progress on."

Talk about bullshit. You posted from another article and then have the balls to talk nasty to me. This is so typical rightwing it's just breathtaking. Have you never heard of negotiations?

It's almost not worth going into the details on those particular tax changes because the Republican position has held that the details don't matter: well-designed tax increases won't be looked at any more favorably than poorly designed tax increases. The point, Republicans say, is that there can't be any tax increases, full stop.

Here is a link to the full article. It is well worth reading and if Too Tall had been honest it's possible we could have had a decent conversation. But oh, no, he was so eager to "get" me that he acted like a dumb shit and didn't post the link.

Wonkbook: The debt-ceiling deal so far - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

Enjoy the article, there's some interesting timeline info in it I hadn't seen.
 
Republicans reject their own deficit-reduction report

This poor guy doesn't know how to read. The Republicans are saying tax increases are a bad idea. By growing the economy, you increase revenue. Obama wants to increase taxes by 17%. What don't you get? Are you just trolling or do you really believe what Ezra Klein is saying?

In RepublicanWorld, we would cut taxes to zero. That way, the government would have so much money from all that growth, we could fund Medicare, SS, weapons systems galore, military bases in 150 countries, -5% unemployment, neverevereverever have a recession or a deficit again, and everyone could have a pony or unicorn of their choice.

Oh, and just to remind everyone, we had three tax cuts in the first term of term of the last President, we still have almost all those tax cuts in place and one of the worst economies since the Depression.

:thup:




This post is brought to you by Liberty University and the Arther Laffer Institute, where the skies are green and gravity causes stuff to fall up.

:clap2: I can see you are another person that has finally figured out the magic economy of the right. IMO it's spelled wrong though. It should be the Laugher curve. The Bush administration had the worst job creation going back to Truman but no matter how many times we bring that up it's like the right just forgets or something.

Nice to be posting with a realist.
 
This poor guy doesn't know how to read. The Republicans are saying tax increases are a bad idea. By growing the economy, you increase revenue. Obama wants to increase taxes by 17%. What don't you get? Are you just trolling or do you really believe what Ezra Klein is saying?

In RepublicanWorld, we would cut taxes to zero. That way, the government would have so much money from all that growth, we could fund Medicare, SS, weapons systems galore, military bases in 150 countries, -5% unemployment, neverevereverever have a recession or a deficit again, and everyone could have a pony or unicorn of their choice.

Oh, and just to remind everyone, we had three tax cuts in the first term of term of the last President, we still have almost all those tax cuts in place and one of the worst economies since the Depression.

:thup:




This post is brought to you by Liberty University and the Arther Laffer Institute, where the skies are green and gravity causes stuff to fall up.

:clap2: I can see you are another person that has finally figured out the magic economy of the right. IMO it's spelled wrong though. It should be the Laugher curve. The Bush administration had the worst job creation going back to Truman but no matter how many times we bring that up it's like the right just forgets or something.

Nice to be posting with a realist.

Yabut...

...Where were the Democrats on Simpson-Bowles?
 
This poor guy doesn't know how to read. The Republicans are saying tax increases are a bad idea. By growing the economy, you increase revenue. Obama wants to increase taxes by 17%. What don't you get? Are you just trolling or do you really believe what Ezra Klein is saying?

In RepublicanWorld, we would cut taxes to zero. That way, the government would have so much money from all that growth, we could fund Medicare, SS, weapons systems galore, military bases in 150 countries, -5% unemployment, neverevereverever have a recession or a deficit again, and everyone could have a pony or unicorn of their choice.

Oh, and just to remind everyone, we had three tax cuts in the first term of term of the last President, we still have almost all those tax cuts in place and one of the worst economies since the Depression.

:thup:




This post is brought to you by Liberty University and the Arther Laffer Institute, where the skies are green and gravity causes stuff to fall up.

Nice troll post. :thup:

(Although you don't usually troll. You must've had a great week.)

A troll post? Really? Every damn thing he said was true...well, except for the gravity, here on the left coast our stuff goes sideways.
 
This poor guy doesn't know how to read. The Republicans are saying tax increases are a bad idea. By growing the economy, you increase revenue. Obama wants to increase taxes by 17%. What don't you get? Are you just trolling or do you really believe what Ezra Klein is saying?

In RepublicanWorld, we would cut taxes to zero. That way, the government would have so much money from all that growth, we could fund Medicare, SS, weapons systems galore, military bases in 150 countries, -5% unemployment, neverevereverever have a recession or a deficit again, and everyone could have a pony or unicorn of their choice.

Oh, and just to remind everyone, we had three tax cuts in the first term of term of the last President, we still have almost all those tax cuts in place and one of the worst economies since the Depression.

:thup:




This post is brought to you by Liberty University and the Arther Laffer Institute, where the skies are green and gravity causes stuff to fall up.

Nice troll post. :thup:

(Although you don't usually troll. You must've had a great week.)

No, I did most things wrong this week. But thanks for asking.

Actually, I thought yours was a troll post. I didn't think you were serious.
 
In RepublicanWorld, we would cut taxes to zero. That way, the government would have so much money from all that growth, we could fund Medicare, SS, weapons systems galore, military bases in 150 countries, -5% unemployment, neverevereverever have a recession or a deficit again, and everyone could have a pony or unicorn of their choice.

Oh, and just to remind everyone, we had three tax cuts in the first term of term of the last President, we still have almost all those tax cuts in place and one of the worst economies since the Depression.

:thup:




This post is brought to you by Liberty University and the Arther Laffer Institute, where the skies are green and gravity causes stuff to fall up.

:clap2: I can see you are another person that has finally figured out the magic economy of the right. IMO it's spelled wrong though. It should be the Laugher curve. The Bush administration had the worst job creation going back to Truman but no matter how many times we bring that up it's like the right just forgets or something.

Nice to be posting with a realist.

Yabut...

...Where were the Democrats on Simpson-Bowles?

Well damn, you asked me about something that I don't know a thing about and I'm not in the mood to check it out. Why don't you explain it to me since you seem to have a handle on the magic economic theory of the right.

ETA I have to do my heavy thinking in the morning. Once it gets to cocktail hour I slow waaaay down.
 
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