Republicans love their Socialist benefits.

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

I guess you're speaking for yourself here because I'm a Republican that takes nothing from the govt.
Don't ask for it, don't want it.

Sounds like another case of progjection from another deep thinker who doesn't understand what it means to be a conservative

These days? It means being a ignorant, loudmouth ass that wouldn't know 'conservative' if it slapped them upside the head. That's your idea of republican.

 

[jotathought]

the student loan industry was socialist with obama. This is simply about bailing out the people screwed by it. and if the president has the power to do it unilaterally…the dems tried to buy votes basically

Easy access to secure funding for higher education is a product of the Democrats, and just like record inflation, the demand to obtain student loans drastically increased the costs / tuition to attend. Once wokeness came into play with DEI, ignorant students targeted worthless degrees and are now facing the reality of supply and demand.

 

[B. Kidd]

Easy access to secure funding for higher education is a product of the Democrats, and just like record inflation, the demand to obtain student loans drastically increased the costs / tuition to attend. Once wokeness came into play with DEI, ignorant students targeted worthless degrees and are now facing the reality of supply and demand.

Money for nothing.
They now want their MTV.

 

[Anathema]

Republicans love their Socialist benefits

Which is why I’m a Conservative, not a Republican. I won’t take blood money from the Government. Ever. Under any circumstances.

 

[Winco]

Yes .. yes .. because the top 1% of wage earners pay nearly 100% of the income taxes

If this ^^^^ big lie of yours was even close to being true, we as a Nation would be in a much better place.

Fuck the Ultra Rich.
Pay YOUR share.

 

[Winston]

Easy access to secure funding for higher education is a product of the Democrats, and just like record inflation, the demand to obtain student loans drastically increased the costs / tuition to attend. Once wokeness came into play with DEI, ignorant students targeted worthless degrees and are now facing the reality of supply and demand.

That argument is weak. In truth, higher education at a state university should be free. For instance, in the 1980's, the maximum Pell grant paid about 85% of the cost of attending a state school. Today, it is 15%. Tuition at state universities has increased significantly to compensate for the decline in state funding.

Most Americans don't realize state funding for higher ed fell by billions

Spending is down by $9 billion over the last decade, driving tuition up and frustrating the search for skilled workers.

www.pbs.org

A Lost Decade in Higher Education Funding | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

A newer, updated version of this report is available here. A decade since the Great Recession hit, state spending on public colleges and universities remains well below historic levels, despite...

www.cbpp.org

 

[jotathought]

If this ^^^^ big lie of yours was even close to being true, we as a Nation would be in a much better place.

Fuck the Ultra Rich.
Pay YOUR share.

That should have been top 10% .. fat fingered .. regardless .. the bottom 90% .. especially those making less than $40-ishK pay nearly nothing in income taxes .. and they consider that their fair share ..

 

[Winston]

If this ^^^^ big lie of yours was even close to being true, we as a Nation would be in a much better place.

Fuck the Ultra Rich.
Pay YOUR share.

The problem is the wealthy pay a higher share of the taxes, but they pay a lower percentage of their income in those taxes than ever. To a person, none of them want to return to the days when they paid less of the total taxes but more of their income in taxes. This reality reveals a stunning fact, and a problem, that I am sure none of the conservatives on this board can figure out.

 

[jotathought]

That argument is weak. In truth, higher education at a state university should be free. For instance, in the 1980's, the maximum Pell grant paid about 85% of the cost of attending a state school. Today, it is 15%. Tuition at state universities has increased significantly to compensate for the decline in state funding.

Most Americans don't realize state funding for higher ed fell by billions

Spending is down by $9 billion over the last decade, driving tuition up and frustrating the search for skilled workers.

www.pbs.org

A Lost Decade in Higher Education Funding | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

A newer, updated version of this report is available here. A decade since the Great Recession hit, state spending on public colleges and universities remains well below historic levels, despite...

www.cbpp.org

Not weak at all .. demand and ease of funding has driven costs upwards. On top of that, additional staff to support new paradigms, such as diversity, equity and inclusion, have drastically increased costs of tuition.

 

[Winston]

Not weak at all .. demand and ease of funding has driven costs upwards. On top of that, additional staff to support new paradigms, such as diversity, equity and inclusion, have drastically increased costs of tuition.

I see you can't read.

 

[Muhammed]

I guess you're speaking for yourself here because I'm a Republican that takes nothing from the govt.
Don't ask for it, don't want it.

Sounds like another case of progjection from another deep thinker who doesn't understand what it means to be a conservative

Actually, the OP doesn't comprehend what the word socialism means.

 

[jotathought]

I see you can't read.

State funding cuts are a sliver of the pie .. increased demand with the ease of funding is a larger sliver of the pie. I see you don't understand basic economics with supply and demand.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Republicans throw the word "Socialism" around a lot, conveniently forgetting all those Conservative farmers, corporations, and minimum wage employees drawing subsidies, grants and food stamps from Federal and State governments. Socialism is deeply ingrained in most parts of Conservative America.

Republicans love their Socialist benefits - as long as no one else gets them!

A government having some social programs and a socialist government are two different things.

Social programs are inevitable and perhaps necessary in some cases. The challenge is to strike a balance between social programs/policies and socialism.

We conservatives can handle a few social programs but socialism is a poison that kills free expression, creativity, innovation and prosperity, among other things.

 

[scruffy]

Insurance is socialism, but it's voluntary socialism. That's kind of the difference. Commies require universal participation, which they'll never get.

 

[Independentthinker]

Republicans throw the word "Socialism" around a lot, conveniently forgetting all those Conservative farmers, corporations, and minimum wage employees drawing subsidies, grants and food stamps from Federal and State governments. Socialism is deeply ingrained in most parts of Conservative America.

Republicans love their Socialist benefits - as long as no one else gets them!

So, you're saying that we should cut social programs? You need to tell Biden and the Democrats.

 

[Winston]

State funding cuts are a sliver of the pie .. increased demand with the ease of funding is a larger sliver of the pie. I see you don't understand basic economics with supply and demand.

College enrollment has been declining since 2010.

U.S. College Enrollment Decline: Facts and Figures | BestColleges

College enrollment has been declining for years. Learn more about college enrollment trends and COVID-19's impact on enrollment.

www.bestcolleges.com

So much for your supply and demand theory jackass. Just like your claim that staffing levels have increased. You flippin idiots live in a damn fantasy world and "facts" are totally disregarded.

 

[jotathought]

College enrollment has been declining since 2010.

U.S. College Enrollment Decline: Facts and Figures | BestColleges

College enrollment has been declining for years. Learn more about college enrollment trends and COVID-19's impact on enrollment.

www.bestcolleges.com

So much for your supply and demand theory jackass. Just like your claim that staffing levels have increased. You flippin idiots live in a damn fantasy world and "facts" are totally disregarded.

It's enjoyable to one-up individuals that are pompous asses .. from Forbes:

A New Study Investigates Why College Tuition Is So Expensive​

A new paper by economist Beth Akers of the Manhattan Institute (my former employer) asks why college tuition is so high and still rising. The proximate causes of tuition inflation are familiar: administrative bloat, overbuilding of campus amenities, a model dependent on high-wage labor, and the easy availability of subsidized student loans.

So much for your fantasy claims ...

 

[Winston]

It's enjoyable to one-up individuals that are pompous asses .. from Forbes:

A New Study Investigates Why College Tuition Is So Expensive​

So much for your fantasy claims ...

You haven't one upped anyone. Your initial claim was wrong on two fronts. First, the claim that demand for a college education has increased, it has declined. Second, that bloated teaching staffs dedicated to, I assume, woke ideologies, has increased costs. But teaching staffs have declined.

You have trumped out a study by the conservative Manhattan Institute published in the Chinese owned Forbes. I like how it makes this claim,

The proximate causes of tuition inflation are familiar: administrative bloat, overbuilding of campus amenities, a model dependent on high-wage labor, and the easy availability of subsidized student loans.

While I have no problem with the first two claims, especially the overbuilding of campus amenities, which I will address, the conservative author just threw in the easy availability of subsidized student loans for shits and giggles, and to appease their superiors. In fact, the article itself contradicts that claim here,

. While most students get at least some financial aid, prospective students usually don’t know how much aid they will get until after they are accepted to college.

Subsidized student loans are part of the financial aid package. If students don't know how much that is until they are accepted how can it be a factor in the decision making process as to rather to apply to a university? Furthermore, while tuition has continued to increase the amount of student borrowing has been on a ten year decline.

Average federal loans per student peaked in 2010-11 for both undergraduate and graduate students. Federal loans per FTE undergraduate student declined to $3,780 in 2020-21, from a peak of $6,160 (in 2020 dollars) in 2010-11. Federal loans per FTE graduate student declined to $17,540 in 2020-21, from a peak of $20,280 in 2010-11.

https://research.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/trends-college-pricing-student-aid-2021.pdf

The biggest factor is those increased amenities. Visit any campus in the area and you will find construction, not of new classrooms, but of palatial gymnasiums, luxurious student unions, and diverse cafeterias. Universities are not seeking the most qualified students, especially the smaller ones. They are seeking the ones that CAN PAY, and not from student loans, as indicated in the study previously linked,

Between 1990 and 2020, inequality in family incomes increased, with income growing fastest for those in the highest income brackets. The average income increased by 57% for the top quintile of families and by 12% for the lowest quintile of families.

Universities are targeting students from families with the income that can support those students, qualifications be damned. My favorite example is High Point University here in North Carolina. They consistently rank in the lower half of institutions in almost every category. Put damn at the amenities. Steak served in the cafeteria, swimming pools, hot tubs, first run movie theater with free snacks, an arcade, a putting green--all FREE. But let's not forget the ice cream truck that drives through campus daily giving out FREE ice cream. That shit costs money, lots of money, and is indicative of why tuition keeps rising.

 

[jotathought]

You haven't one upped anyone. Your initial claim was wrong on two fronts. First, the claim that demand for a college education has increased, it has declined. Second, that bloated teaching staffs dedicated to, I assume, woke ideologies, has increased costs. But teaching staffs have declined.

You have trumped out a study by the conservative Manhattan Institute published in the Chinese owned Forbes. I like how it makes this claim,

The proximate causes of tuition inflation are familiar: administrative bloat, overbuilding of campus amenities, a model dependent on high-wage labor, and the easy availability of subsidized student loans.

While I have no problem with the first two claims, especially the overbuilding of campus amenities, which I will address, the conservative author just threw in the easy availability of subsidized student loans for shits and giggles, and to appease their superiors. In fact, the article itself contradicts that claim here,

. While most students get at least some financial aid, prospective students usually don’t know how much aid they will get until after they are accepted to college.

Subsidized student loans are part of the financial aid package. If students don't know how much that is until they are accepted how can it be a factor in the decision making process as to rather to apply to a university? Furthermore, while tuition has continued to increase the amount of student borrowing has been on a ten year decline.

Average federal loans per student peaked in 2010-11 for both undergraduate and graduate students. Federal loans per FTE undergraduate student declined to $3,780 in 2020-21, from a peak of $6,160 (in 2020 dollars) in 2010-11. Federal loans per FTE graduate student declined to $17,540 in 2020-21, from a peak of $20,280 in 2010-11.

https://research.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/trends-college-pricing-student-aid-2021.pdf

The biggest factor is those increased amenities. Visit any campus in the area and you will find construction, not of new classrooms, but of palatial gymnasiums, luxurious student unions, and diverse cafeterias. Universities are not seeking the most qualified students, especially the smaller ones. They are seeking the ones that CAN PAY, and not from student loans, as indicated in the study previously linked,

Between 1990 and 2020, inequality in family incomes increased, with income growing fastest for those in the highest income brackets. The average income increased by 57% for the top quintile of families and by 12% for the lowest quintile of families.

Universities are targeting students from families with the income that can support those students, qualifications be damned. My favorite example is High Point University here in North Carolina. They consistently rank in the lower half of institutions in almost every category. Put damn at the amenities. Steak served in the cafeteria, swimming pools, hot tubs, first run movie theater with free snacks, an arcade, a putting green--all FREE. But let's not forget the ice cream truck that drives through campus daily giving out FREE ice cream. That shit costs money, lots of money, and is indicative of why tuition keeps rising.

If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand the context. I'll rely on an economic contributor with a wide range of contributions across many outlets as opposed to an anonymous USMB member. Cheers!

 

[Mac-7]

Corporate farms suck up the vast majority of farm subsidies.....The rest of that post is more of the same banal dreck you liberoidals barf up with alarming regularity.

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75% of the money that the feds give away goes to pay for food stamps

So the farmets sell to the government and Uncle Sam gives the food away to lazy welfare bums

“Although we think of the farm bill as a subsidy bill, it’s actually heavily tilted toward nutrition—in the last (2018) farm bill, for example, more than 75 percent of federal outlays were actually for SNAP and related programs”

https://www.cato.org/commentary/examining-americas-farm-subsidy-problem