Bfgrn
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And we still don't see any defense of your excuses for Al Gore.... Okay so I guess the higher morality you speak of only applies when it suits you... Fair enough...
Lets discuss your convenient morality shall we?
You made a claim regarding a senator opposing or fighting against legislation regarding formaldehyde. You even made wide and sweeping claims regarding that senators moral and ethical behavior on the matter. Completely ignoring the fact he is but ONE senator, and any senator could go and force the issue if they so chose to do so. Any senator be they democrat or republican can push the issue. But none of them have, yet your article likes to point out one republican senator and point the finger like its all him alone. That is a PR snowjob and that is immoral and unethical.
I pointed out the problems and practices with Al Gore when he was a senator and as Vice-President regarding environmental policies versus his direct vested financial interest in any such policies made. The reason was to point out that even IF the article is accurate and the senator was helping the Formaldehyde industry based on his personal financial gain, Al Gore from your side was doing the same thing. And showing the fallacy in believing one side more ethical or morally upright than the other. This would be a big problem with a person of a real moral and ethical backbone...
You then made an excuse to defend the practices of Al Gore. I gave verifiable evidence showing those excuses to be bogus. And your response was to ignore it and try to change the subject or scope of the debate into; first, a debate over right-wing environmental support or lack of it, and second (now) a debate over morality and or ethics.
So in reality all you have done is try and claim some moral high-ground based on a complete and total fallacy. And you try to quote scripture and give little anecdotes to back it up, all the while ignoring the complete lack of any real ethical or moral fiber in the side you choose.
Please spare me the scripture citing, and high talk of morality and ethics or right and wrong. Just because they tell you they are the good guys and the others the bad guys, doesn't make it true. And especially if they act in a manner so opposite of such a claim.
Morality is beliefs regarding appropriate behavior, while ethics is the formal study of morality.
Putting property before people is not moral. It is immoral and unethical.
I see it every day on this board from right wingers. They prove what John Kenneth Galbraith said: "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
And they consistently reinforce a comparison I heard Ted Sorensen make: "Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
In regards to Al Gore, I don't believe he is a saint. But I also don't believe he is a fraud or that he is immoral or unethical. Ironic, on the Elk Hills oilfield deal Occidental wasn't simply handed the deal; its offer — $3.65 billion — was twice as high as that of the nearest of its 22 competitors. If Al were truly involved in an inside deal, he would have saved Oxy 1.83 billion dollars.
Ya know I wasn't sure at first if you were really this naive or just trying to play a part. but Now? I am sure you're just high.....
What in the hell are you rambling on about? Do you have a clear point in all that or not? Seriously one minute you call me a liar and the next you're quoting scripture.... Are you high? You are giving a serious Mooney or Church of Higher Consciousness vibe...
Are you here to peddle your religion? If so save it, not interested not even a little bit....
From reading your Al Gore excuse, I think you must be high.... Okay, I am going to try once more with you..... Read my words carefully okay?
Al Gore preaches against Oil, yet he gets oil money.... Got that so far? Thats called being a hypocrite and yes it is unethical given his position when he did it, and being a hypocrite in itself is immoral. Please do not try and rationalize it, otherwise we can see your fake religion out of convenience crap again. And trust me when I tell you its not working...At all...
Also Al tries to make it seem like he is in it for the planet, when in reality he is in it for the money. If you truly are religious like you try and imply, you would understand that any deed taken with the claim of righteousness and purity, must reflect that righteousness and purity in action or the deed lacks merit, and then the man lacks merit.... A religious or even spiritual person would know this....
Now peddle your fake religion elsewhere I'm not buying it...
WOW, you have taken the word hypocrite to a new high. Are you high? Are YOU GOD?
I suspect you must be God, because only God knows someone's intentions, and only God is perfect.
Now peddle your fake perfection elsewhere I'm not buying it...
When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion.
Abraham Lincoln
Al Gore Airlifts Evacuees
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Al Gore helped airlift some 270 Katrina evacuees on two private charters from New Orleans, acting at the urging of a doctor who saved the life of the former vice president's son.
On Sept. 1, three days after Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast, Simon learned that Dr. David Kline, a neurosurgeon who operated on Gore's son, Albert, after a life-threatening auto accident in 1989, was trying to get in touch with Gore. Kline was stranded with patients at Charity Hospital in New Orleans.
"The situation was dire and becoming worse by the minute — food and water running out, no power, 4 feet of water surrounding the hospital and ... corpses outside," Simon wrote.
Gore responded immediately, telephoning Kline and agreeing to underwrite the $50,000 each for the two flights, although Larry Flax, founder of California Pizza Kitchens, later pledged to pay for one of them.
"None of the airlines involved required a contract or any written guarantee of payment before sending their planes and volunteer crews," Simon wrote of the American Airlines flights. "One official said if Gore promised to pay, that was good enough for them."
He also recruited two doctors, Spickard and Gore's cousin, retired Col. Dar LaFon (search), a specialist in internal medicine who once ran the military hospital in Baghdad.
Most critically, Gore worked to cut through government red tape, personally calling Gov. Phil Bredesen to get Tennessee's support and U.S. Transportation Secretary Norm Mineta to secure landing rights in New Orleans.
About 140 people, many of them sick, landed in Knoxville on Sept. 3. The second flight, with 130 evacuees, landed the next day in Chattanooga.
FOXNews.com - Al Gore Airlifts Evacuees - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum
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Monday, August 29, 2005: 2005: Hurricane Katrina hits New Orleans
Katrina hits New Orleans, levies break, Bush continues with his planned itinerary.
President George W. Bush joins Arizona Senator John McCain in a small celebration of McCain's 69th birthday Monday, Aug. 29, 2005, after the President's arrival at Luke Air Force Base near Phoenix. The President later spoke about Medicare to 400 guests at the Pueblo El Mirage RV Resort and Country Club in nearby El Mirage. (White House photo by Paul Morse)
Tuesday, August 30, 2005: President Commemorates 60th Anniversary of V-J Day
President Bush plays a guitar presented to him by Country Singer Mark Wills, right, backstage following his visit to Naval Base Coronado, Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Bush visited the base to deliver remarks on V-J Commemoration Day. (AP Photo/ABC News, Martha Raddatz)
Despite the growing catastrophe in New Orleans, Bush continues his planned stops, delivering pre-planned speeches and finds time to accept a guitar from Country Singer Mark Wills.
Yet, others in the administration knew that what was happening in New Orleans was serious enough to preempt the planned vacation activities.
Wednesday, August 31, 2005: Bush cuts vacation short (by two days) and heads back to Washington. Air Force One routed over New Orleans so Bush can view the scene from above.
Thursday, September 1, 2005: Newsweek reported:
The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it might displease the president, did not really sink in until Thursday night. Some White House staffers were watching the evening news and thought the president needed to see the horrific reports coming out of New Orleans. Counselor Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the next morning on Air Force One.
One assumes that finally after viewing the reports his staffers put together, he understood the magnitude of the disaster. Yet, understanding it didn’t translate into action that would help the people in that area as it took days more to rescue the survivors from New Orleans and years more to understand no help was coming to rebuild the levies or communities.
So ended the longest vacation of George W. Bush as sitting president. But our long nightmare of having this man, so incapable of understanding or caring about anyone else still goes on. Two years after that horrific storm, too many people in the path of the storm still have no home and have lost hope, and our long, long war grinds on. But boy, isn’t it nice to have a President in such good shape?
August 2005: How George Bush Went On Vacation and It Ended In Disaster
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