deanrd
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I was reading a story about a pastor from Liberty U who had the nerve to write an opinion piece critical of Trump's affairs, marriages, and pu$$y grabbing.You might say the Evangelicals have made a pact with the Devil. Selling your soul for worldly gain.I was just watching a panel discussion with:
Joy Reid - Moderator
Frank Schaeffer - son of world famous Evangelical leaders
Sarah Rumpf - Evangelical
Pastor A.R. Bernard - anti Trump Evangelical leader
Pastor Mark Burns - Pro Trump and Pro Roy Moore Evangelical leader
It was pointed out that Donald Trump has been accused by nearly 20 women
Roy Moore accused by 9 women from different parts of the state who didn't know each other, several are Trump supporters
Naturally, the Trump supporter brought up Bill Clinton and Al Franken. Even though Bill Clinton was impeached and paid a heavy political price for is actions and Al Franken apologized to the single woman he kissed and had a nasty picture taken with while she was a asleep and she accepted his apology.
Trump and Moore threatened to sue the nearly 30 women and called them all liars and pawns.
That out of the way, to me the heart of the discussion was "Moral Relativism" discussion.
Short definition:
Descriptive moral relativism holds only that some people do in fact disagree about what is moral; meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong; and normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, we ought to tolerate the behavior of others.
At first, Pastor Mark Burns said for as a leader, morals are not necessarily a requirement to be a good leader. Then he used David from the Bible as an example.
Then, Frank Schaeffer said that this "moral relativism" is the problem among Evangelicals. He said that first of all, David was overwhelmed for his transgressions and spent the remainder of his life begging God for forgiveness and trying to make up for what he had done.
This is not something Trump and Moore have done. They not only show no remorse, but they smear their accusers and are continually caught telling untruths.
Schaeffer said his father told Richard Nixon he withdraws his support. And the reason? Nixon's foul language.
Even Kay Ivey, Governor of Alabama says she believes the women, but wants Roy Moore elected. She's hoping for another Supreme Court Judge so her religion can be forced on the rest of the country.
Alabama governor plans to vote for Moore even though ‘I have no reason to disbelieve’ accusers
So now, that begs the question. Is it true that Evangelicals now serve at the alter of Moral Relativism? That it's OK to ignore commonly held morals so they can force their own personal morals on the rest of the country?
If everyone except child molesters can agree that child molesting is wrong, then why don't their other "morals" receive such wide support? Why try to force them on people who don't agree with them?
He was fired and escorted off campus by police.