Republican Worship of Greed and Democratic inevitablity

[Seawytch]

Anyway, this election is beginning to smell like a reverse of 2004, when the GOP had a terribly flawed incumbent and the Democrats respond with John freakin' Kerry. Talk about a blown opportunity.

Both "major" parties are a joke.

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I said the same exact thing in another thread. Romney of 2012 is Kerry of 2004. Kerry was the "establishment" candidate that most didn't really like all that much...the base actually preferred Dean. Dems weren't voting FOR Kerry, but against Bush.

Most Rs aren't voting FOR Romney, but against Obama whereas most Ds are voting FOR Obama. It makes a difference.

How many of those Democrats are voting for Obama because they don't want to admit they should have nominated Hillary Clinton back in 2008? Sometimes it's tough to admit that you were wrong...isn't it?

Ah...mindless speculation, my favorite.

The nomination was Hillary's to lose and she did. No buyers remorse here, thanks.

 

[Oldstyle]

If you look at the exit polling questions about why people voted for Romney in Florida OVERWHELMINGLY the reason given was they felt he was the candidate best able to defeat Barack Obama next Fall. He's not a far right candidate. He has the experience needed for the job...with 25 years as a business executive and the Republican Governor of a heavily Democratic State. He's the Republican most likely to appeal to Independents and Moderates. The far right will vote for him because they hate Obama so much. Except for JoeB of course who hates Mormons more than he hates Obama.

 

[Oldstyle]

I said the same exact thing in another thread. Romney of 2012 is Kerry of 2004. Kerry was the "establishment" candidate that most didn't really like all that much...the base actually preferred Dean. Dems weren't voting FOR Kerry, but against Bush.

Most Rs aren't voting FOR Romney, but against Obama whereas most Ds are voting FOR Obama. It makes a difference.

How many of those Democrats are voting for Obama because they don't want to admit they should have nominated Hillary Clinton back in 2008? Sometimes it's tough to admit that you were wrong...isn't it?

Ah...mindless speculation, my favorite.

The nomination was Hillary's to lose and she did. No buyers remorse here, thanks.

No buyer's remorse? Really? How many of you far left board members have voiced your dissapointment with Barack Obama over the last few years? You're telling me you've never wondered how Hillary would have done it differently? What you call "mindless speculation" by me is something I believe many Democrats have secretly done since the whole Hopey-Changey thing started bogging down with reality. Let's face it...Barack isn't everything he was made out to be. Hillary...like her or not...is actually competent. Tell me there aren't days when you wished you'd gone the other way...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Very true, and a predictable result when absolutism creeps into politics. The GOP is making things easy for the Democrats at a time when the Democrats could easily be vulnerable.

Yeah....right.....vulnerable.....and, our new.....

Champion On Wall $treet

(Successor to Eliot Spitzer)

.....is proof o' that.



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I have absolutely no idea what the above means.

Hyper-text challenged, are you.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

i guess joey has given up on pretending he's a republican.



ammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmpad

nope, just one that sees a party that makes war on its middle class supporters being doomed to oblivion.

Consider this an intervention...

I suspect most Republicans know, deep down inside, what a mess they're making of things, how badly they're screwing up. But right now, most of them are paralyzed by what they perceive to be their ideology. They don't want to give an inch, they refuse to admit weakness in any way.

I often think of them (particularly their Teabagger Axillary) as that kid (that every neighborhood used to have) that was always telling everyone..."I told you so! I told you so!!"....and, proceeded to get smacked-around on a fairly-regular basis.​

 

[bripat9643]

If our politics today has become a choice between big business and big government, you don't want to make big government more attractive. But they are doing exactly that.

Very true, and a predictable result when absolutism creeps into politics. The GOP is making things easy for the Democrats at a time when the Democrats could easily be vulnerable.

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Done what for two cycles, run for office?

 

[bripat9643]

I'm not concerned about the very rich. They're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of America, the 90-95 percent of Americans who are struggling."

Mitt Romney

This columnist absolutely takes Romney's whole argument apart and trashes it...it's a good read.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/opinion/collins-mitt-speaks-oh-no.html?_r=1

What's Romney's "whole argument?" The biggest problem with Romney is that he doesn't really have an argument.

 

[Dragon]

As far as the worship of greed is concerned, Republicans have been in this spot before, more or less. The last time was in the 1930s. By tempering their positions with a dose of realism, Republicans were able to return to power after five terms of Democrats in the White House under Eisenhower.

Complicating the picture this time is the dedication to what most of the country calls oddball ideas, those of the religious right and anti-government extremists. That wasn't the case in the 1920s and 1930s, when the GOP was still the party of civil rights and racial equality, a position it held from its founding until the late 1960s.

Also complicating it is that the Democrats face their own crisis of identity, so that it's not a simple case of being shellacked by the other party. We're going to see political confusion and increasing disenchantment with BOTH parties for some time to come.

 

[konradv]

If our politics today has become a choice between big business and big government, you don't want to make big government more attractive. But they are doing exactly that.

Very true, and a predictable result when absolutism creeps into politics. The GOP is making things easy for the Democrats at a time when the Democrats could easily be vulnerable.

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Done what for two cycles, run for office?

Quote the wrong post? YES, to your question.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Anyway, this election is beginning to smell like a reverse of 2004, when the GOP had a terribly flawed incumbent and the Democrats respond with John freakin' Kerry. Talk about a blown opportunity.

Both "major" parties are a joke.

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I said the same exact thing in another thread. Romney of 2012 is Kerry of 2004. Kerry was the "establishment" candidate that most didn't really like all that much...the base actually preferred Dean. Dems weren't voting FOR Kerry, but against Bush.

Most Rs aren't voting FOR Romney, but against Obama whereas most Ds are voting FOR Obama. It makes a difference.

How many of those Democrats are voting for Obama because they don't want to admit they should have nominated Hillary Clinton back in 2008? Sometimes it's tough to admit that you were wrong...isn't it?

Hmmmmmmmmmm......"tough to admit that you were wrong".....

Would that also apply to the Missouri Queen (Porky Limbaugh), and his "GIVE US HILLARY!"-campaign, back in 2008....thinking Dems were as needy for guidance as his Dead-O-Heads....and, that Dems would (actually) give the nomination to Obama, instead.....making it much-easier, for Republicans to campaign-against & beat some Black-dude????

Ya' think ol' Porky's done much braggin' about THAT FUCK-UP??!!!!

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[kiwiman127]

i guess joey has given up on pretending he's a republican.



ammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmpad

I'm with Joe. And like Joe I was a volunteer for the campaigns of GOP candidates, specifically, GW Bush and Bob Dole. But then I'm one of those hated RINOs. So the farther to the right the GOP went, the more they conflicted with my own values. I, like millions of other voters are left in the wasteland of the middle.

Speaking of middle, I am Middle Class. I see the GOP going overboard with their protection and promotion of Corporate America and the wealthy at the expense of the Middle Classes well-being.

I too want to see a smaller government but I agree with the Founding Fathers that there has to be a fettered approach to commerce to protect the general welfare of this country's citizens, so in other words I'm for limited regulation. And I think the government should be encouraging a healthy working class so they are less reliant on government programs and can fend for themselves. The GOP on the other hand and in an unapologetic way, seems to focus only on the betterment of those who have very thick wallets, this is representation for a tiny segment of the US citizenry. The GOP uses lighting-rod social issues to suck in unsuspecting members of the Middle Class and then turns around and makes legislation that hurts that very same group of voters.

And the Democrats will take advantage of the GOP's misguided ways as they will try to work the masses who are struggling while the GOP makes constant sound-bytes only defending those who aren't struggling and are seriously prospering.

So the voters choices are, more Big Government and a Nanny State or the promotion of a Plutocratic State and the continued dying off of the American Dream for the working Middle Class and poor. Considering the dysfunction and non compromising posturing state of the two major parties, America is destined to go backwards here at home and also on the world stage.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I said the same exact thing in another thread. Romney of 2012 is Kerry of 2004. Kerry was the "establishment" candidate that most didn't really like all that much...the base actually preferred Dean. Dems weren't voting FOR Kerry, but against Bush.

Most Rs aren't voting FOR Romney, but against Obama whereas most Ds are voting FOR Obama. It makes a difference.

How many of those Democrats are voting for Obama because they don't want to admit they should have nominated Hillary Clinton back in 2008? Sometimes it's tough to admit that you were wrong...isn't it?

Of course it is, and we see it on both sides.

That's fuckin' BULLSHIT.....and, you can PACK that politically-correct "both sides" horseshit, as well!!!!

I was a HUGE Hillary-supporter, 'cause I figured it'd take Bill to clean-up our economy, after another Bush....again.

Was I disappointed she didn't get the nomination? Sure.

Did I recognize Obama got the most media-attention....and, the most support, from younger-people....'cause he was The Story, during the Primaries? Absolutely. Hell, I'd bet (even) he'd admit that.

I can't explain why it took Andrew Sullivan so long to "come, around", but he's exactly RIGHT!!! Obama has spent (the past) four-years setting-up the NeoCons for the final KILL-SHOT (in the up-coming Election)....and, he did-so, really-WELL!!!! Even Republicans recognize his policies/legislation won't start paying-off, until his second four-years....and, they're scared, SHITLESS, over that.....'cause they saw Bill Clinton do the same, exact thing!!!!

The idea that "Democrats are voting for Obama because they don't want to admit they should have nominated Hillary Clinton back in 2008" is absurd.

I've got NO PROBLEM seeing Obama re-elected! He's done exactly what he'd promised, but had to tailor his tactics per "conservatives'" obstructionst-tactics. Those (on The Left) who are disappointed at his performance are no-more sophisticated than your average-Teabagger; political-neophytes.

Besides.....Bill & Hill will be back in the Whitehouse, in 2016, anyhow. It's BEEN a Win-Win scenario, for Dems, since 2008. Any Dem who hasn't recognized that is (obviously, to me) a rookie, to politics....and, needs to settle-down, put-away their pom-poms & start pay-attention, for a Change.

Right HERE, NeoCons!!!!!!

 

[kaz]

Republican Worship of Greed

Democrats want their precious government to track, control and redistribute every dollar in our economy, and it's "Republicans" who are greedy....



What a moron, then again bigots are...

 

[Mac1958]

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Yikes.

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[Mr. Shaman]

If you look at the exit polling questions about why people voted for Romney in Florida OVERWHELMINGLY the reason given was they felt he was the candidate best able to defeat Barack Obama next Fall. He's not a far right candidate. He has the experience needed for the job...with 25 years as a business executive and the Republican Governor of a heavily Democratic State. He's the Republican most likely to appeal to Independents and Moderates.

....And, the one who'd be trippin'-all-over-his-tongue, when it comes to dealing-with/talking-to foreign-leaders.

He'd be a managed-Prez.....just like ReRon Reagan!!
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[Mr. Shaman]

How many of those Democrats are voting for Obama because they don't want to admit they should have nominated Hillary Clinton back in 2008? Sometimes it's tough to admit that you were wrong...isn't it?

Ah...mindless speculation, my favorite.

The nomination was Hillary's to lose and she did. No buyers remorse here, thanks.

No buyer's remorse? Really? How many of you far left board members have voiced your dissapointment with Barack Obama over the last few years? You're telling me you've never wondered how Hillary would have done it differently? What you call "mindless speculation" by me is something I believe many Democrats have secretly done since the whole Hopey-Changey thing started bogging down with reality. Let's face it...Barack isn't everything he was made out to be. Hillary...like her or not...is actually competent. Tell me there aren't days when you wished you'd gone the other way...

Feelin' kinda desperate, aren't you??

We're gonna ROLL-RIGHT-OVER the Rep-candidate, in November.

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[Mr. Shaman]

As far as the worship of greed is concerned, Republicans have been in this spot before, more or less. The last time was in the 1930s.

Yeah.....sure it was.

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History-Challenged Neophytes!
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[Mr. Shaman]

i guess joey has given up on pretending he's a republican.



ammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmpad

I'm with Joe. And like Joe I was a volunteer for the campaigns of GOP candidates, specifically, GW Bush and Bob Dole. But then I'm one of those hated RINOs. So the farther to the right the GOP went, the more they conflicted with my own values. I, like millions of other voters are left in the wasteland of the middle.

So the voters choices are, more Big Government and a Nanny State or the promotion of a Plutocratic State and the continued dying off of the American Dream for the working Middle Class and poor. Considering the dysfunction and non compromising posturing state of the two major parties, America is destined to go backwards here at home and also on the world stage.

....And, you (in the Silent Majority) can't be blamed for anything....because you never fully-commit to much of anything.....except whining about being left in the wasteland.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkggyqUWDME]Saturday Night Live: The Whiners - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[kiwiman127]

Republican Worship of Greed

Democrats want their precious government to track, control and redistribute every dollar in our economy, and it's "Republicans" who are greedy....



What a moron, then again bigots are...

We always hear about the redistrubution of wealth from the right but FACTS clearly show that there has been a redistribution of wealth upwards for decades. Funny how some folks on the right ignore that fact. Like good little sheep, they willingly move along to the slaughter of America's core, Main Street America.

Chart 1, represents the redistribution of icome.
Chart 2, represents the decline of the working classes share of the National Income. The "working class" represents a huge majority of Americans.

 

[Toro]

Mitt Romney represents everything that is kind of wrong with the GOP today. It's the kind of self defeating mentality of a coyote who chews off three legs and is still caught in the trap.

Let's talk about what makes the GOP admirable. It is a party of limited government, self-reliance and freedom to persue happiness. Absolutely good traits.

But the firewall against creeping European Socialism is a strong middle class with skin in the game. One that can have pride in bringing home a paycheck.

A middle class, unfortunately, the Mitt Romneys of the world have been doing their very best to dismantle. Get rid of that good paying union job at AmPad, move that good paying job at DDi to China, make bigger profits for your investors. We'll replace them with McJobs at Staples and Dominos Pizza that pay minimum wage and have no benefits.

When you take away the ability of working people to make good money, when they require food stamps and school lunches to feed their kids, when they need section 8 vouchers to put a roof over their head, when they need a Earned Income Credit to make up for the money they aren't earning at their jobs at Staples, when they have to apply for Medicaid to see a doctor, or rely on Social Security because they sharks on Wall Street made a killing manipulating the market while they were locked into crashing 401K's.

When you do these things, you create more dependence on Government. You make it more palatable for people, and they are more inclined to vote for Democrats. Oh, you can fool some of them by creating upset about guns or gays or abortion or affirmative action, for a while, but eventually they figure it out.

If our politics today has become a choice between big business and big government, you don't want to make big government more attractive. But they are doing exactly that.

Every time Joe says "Ampad," David Axelrod pays Joe $1.

In this post, Joe earned $1.

Let's talk about what makes the GOP admirable. It is a party of limited government, self-reliance and freedom to persue happiness. Absolutely good traits.

Yet you propose massive government intervention to solve what you see as the problem.

And you call yourself a Republican.

Go figure.