Remember the time President Trump got the US into a nuclear war?

[LA RAM FAN]

You are either naive, propagandized, or read only one side of a story. Or you don't know history.

The west has never made a serious attempt to address Russia's concerns.

Your parroting of, "appeasement," is a laugh.

the fact you triggered two resident trolls here proves you are onto something and speak truth.LOL actually you more than likely only triggered ONE resident troll,one is more than likely the sockpupet of the other.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Agreed.


NATO and the American meddling actually were what provoked the invasion.

As did violating the promise to Gorbachev not to expand NATO past Germany.

US gov’t knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene​

US gov't knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene - Geopolitical Economy Report

US Ambassador William Burns, now CIA director, admitted in 2008 embassy cable that NATO expansion to Ukraine crosses Russia's security "redlines" and could lead to violence which would force Moscow to intervene.

multipolarista.com

". . . Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.. . .

Burns’ warnings came true just a few years later.. . ."

Cable: 08MOSCOW265_a

The CIA knew what it was doing. . . it wanted war, and it got one.

NATO should have never have been expanded. . . guarantees were given to Gorbachev, the west was NOT to be allowed to, and Putin is right. Nor were they allowed to place missiles in any of the new NATO members, which they have, since talks about the unification of Germany occurred.

Clausewitz: War as Politics by other Means | Online Library of Liberty

Related Links: Clausewitz Subject Area: War and Peace Source: Carl von Clausewitz, On War, trans. Col. J.J. Graham. New and Revised edition with Introduction and Notes by Col. F.N. Maude, in Three Volumes (London: Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner & C., 1918). Vol. 1. Chapter: CHAPTER I: WHAT IS WAR...

oll.libertyfund.org

WAR IN EUROPE AND THE RISE OF RAW PROPAGANDA​

WAR IN EUROPE AND THE RISE OF RAW PROPAGANDA

WAR IN EUROPE AND THE RISE OF RAW PROPAGANDA

johnpilger.com

". . . Setting aside the manoeuvres and cynicism of geopolitics, whomever the players, this historical memory is the driving force behind Russia’s respect-seeking, self-protective security proposals, which were published in Moscow in the week the UN voted 130-2 to outlaw Nazism. They are:

- NATO guarantees that it will not deploy missiles in nations bordering Russia. (They are already in place from Slovenia to Romania, with Poland to follow)
- NATO to stop military and naval exercises in nations and seas bordering Russia.
- Ukraine will not become a member of NATO.
- the West and Russia to sign a binding East-West security pact.
- the landmark treaty between the US and Russia covering intermediate-range nuclear weapons to be restored. (The US abandoned it in 2019)

These amount to a comprehensive draft of a peace plan for all of post-war Europe and ought to be welcomed in the West. But who understands their significance in Britain? What they are told is that Putin is a pariah and a threat to Christendom.. . . "

Newly Declassified Documents: Gorbachev Told NATO Wouldn't Move Past East German Border​

Newly Declassified Documents: Gorbachev Told NATO Wouldn't Move Past East German Border

So what happenned?

nationalinterest.org

". . .Gorbachev only accepted German reunification—over which the Soviet Union had a legal right to veto under treaty—because he received assurances that NATO would not expand after he withdrew his forces from Eastern Europe from James Baker, President George H.W. Bush, West German foreign minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, the CIA Director Robert Gates, French President Francois Mitterrand, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, British foreign minister Douglas Hurd, British Prime Minister John Major, and NATO secretary-general Manfred Woerner.

Indeed, as late as March 1991, the British were reassuring Gorbachev that they could not foresee circumstances under which NATO might expand into Eastern and Central Europe. As former British Ambassador to the Soviet Union recounted in March 5, 1991, Rodric Braithwaite, both British foreign minister Douglas Hurd and British Prime Minister John Major told the Soviet that NATO would not expand eastwards.

“I believe that your thoughts about the role of NATO in the current situation are the result of misunderstanding,” Major had told Gorbachev. We are not talking about strengthening of NATO. We are talking about the coordination of efforts that is already happening in Europe between NATO and the West European Union, which, as it is envisioned, would allow all members of the European Community to contribute to enhance [our] security.”

US, UK, France Promised USSR Not to Expand NATO East of Germany, Newly Discovered Document Proves

21 Feb 2022 - A newly discovered document provides more evidence that Western governments broke their promise not to expand NATO eastward after German reunification. Notes from a 1991 meeting prove that the US, UK, France, and Germany assured the Soviet Union that NATO would not expand east. ...

www.transcend.org

". . The 2+4 negotiations were talks in 1990 that allowed for the reunification of Germany, featuring capitalist West Germany and socialist East Germany (the 2) along with the United States, Soviet Union, Britain, and France (the 4).

Chrobog’s comments in the notes, therefore, confirm that the Western powers had promised the USSR in 1990 that they would not expand NATO eastward after German reunification.

Further clarifying this fact, the document adds that there was a “general agreement that membership of NATO and security guarantees [are] unacceptable” for countries east of Germany.. . ."

this post educates the trolls here.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Ah, now I get it. You don't have any rational arguments, just hyperbole, name calling, character assassination, and jingoism.

that is all he ever capable of doing when getting checkmated and cant counter facts.this trollboy goes around doing that on a thread of mine where i expose reagans corruption,he just posts laughing smileys and does not try and counter them. you triggered him in that last post with facts he could not refute in post# 97 there that hurt his feeling and he is now throwing chairs at the wall in anger.sure is funny watching hims come unglued what he cant refute facts isnt it? must be smellybozozs twin brother.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

you are really triggering trollyboy Kindor big time,as always he tries to laugh off facts with laughing smileys when he is cornered with nowhere to run.LOL

That graph applies to his twin brother sealybobo smellybozo as well obviously.LOL

 

[LA RAM FAN]

And? From the Russian's POV, when we told Gorbachev that would would not expand NATO, and constantly did, now? Ukraine is the last straw. It is Putin who was acting like Chamberlain, year after year, with each expansion of NATO, right?

. . . so? I guess what you said about appeasement was true, nothing was good enough for NATO, they just did not quit.

I guess he has had enough of western aggression and lies, eh? Looks like war pigs like you are ready to oblige him.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You’re a fucking moron. Every world war has happened because of idiots like you. You claim to be a historian yet persue the same mistakes every dumb ass in history has done. You don’t fucking learn.

you really are embarrassing yourself dude same as smellybozo and kondor does everyday,give it up.LOL

 

[Mac1958]

Nothing the Trumpsters say can spin them out of this.

 

[MisterBeale]

this post educates the trolls here.

Not really. They have been pickled & brainwashed by entirely too much mass media indoctrination, they are mostly impervious to facts. The American and western alliance promises to Russia? Don't mean shit to them.

They have become either ignorant, or corrupt at this point.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Rigby5

Every world war has happened because the US or its imperialist allies deliberately started it.
Try to name a single war the US was involved in that was defensive, since 1812?
You can't.
There aren't any.
The US deliberately started them all.

okay now you are telling it like it is.the actual truth.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Murdering General Soleimani was completely criminal and now ensures Iran will soon achieve nuclear weapons.
It was one of the stupidest things anyone ever did.
We forced Iran into the Russian camp.

 

[sealybobo]

LordBrownTrout If sealybobo smellybozo was not such a stupid fuck and actually had brains he would realise how he has been exposed and the entire board all realises that he is a paid shill for the DNC committe and because of that,would register under a different account with a new user name for a fresh start.

Everybody has seen has trolling and what his agenda is,the gig is up. why keep embarassing yourself to the entire board with so many constant ass beatings and getting checkmated hundreds of times each day? at least if he left and started posting under a new user name,he would not be the joke of the boards sense it would take a very long time before anybody knew it was him.

He is shit for brains though so he wont use that logic and will keep making himself to be the joke of the board for years on end.

Things would be worse if Trump were prez. Even you admit that.

Judge Aileen Cannon lets Trump skate — for now — on his highly suspect claims that the FBI planted files in records seized from Mar-a-Lago.

She's a political hack

Trump said he and family members watched agents search sections of his Mar-a-Lago home and resort on surveillance cameras, raising the question of how the FBI could have secretly planted evidence at the same time. Two lawyers for Trump were also at Mar-a-Lago during the search, and one signed off on a list of boxes and “miscellaneous top secret documents” that were removed.

But you believed him right?

While Dearie appeared to be speeding up the process, Cannon, who was appointed to the bench by Trump, is slowing it down, which will delay revealing any damning information until after the midterm elections.

 

[The Original Tree]

Neither do I.

Isn't it strange how nobody was worried about nuclear war from 2016 to 2020? That is, except the Democrats who were convinced Trump was going to start a nuclear war. And now with Biden in the White House and the world inching closer to the possibility of a nuclear exchange, the left seems to be suffering from a collective case of laryngitis.

KYIV, Sept 25 (Reuters) - The United States warned on Sunday of "catastrophic consequences" if Moscow were to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, after Russia's foreign minister said regions holding widely-criticized referendums would get full protection if annexed by Moscow...

U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said on Sunday the United States would respond to any Russian use of nuclear weapons against Ukraine and that it had spelled out to Moscow the "catastrophic consequences" it would face...

"If Russia crosses this line, there will be catastrophic consequences for Russia. The United States will respond decisively," Sullivan told NBC's "Meet the Press" television program...."

U.S. warns of catastrophic consequences if Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine

Biden told Putin it was ok to invade Ukraine. Literally said that to Putin.
China will eventually be involved if this thing goes to WWIII
Biden will implement The Draft and then every Liberal War Monger will get what they wanted up close and personal.
Except for The Elite who will exclude their children from WWIII.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

you really are embarrassing yourself dude same as smellybozo and kondor does everyday,give it up.LOL

How? By pointing out your stupid ideas have been tried several times and ended in disaster every fucking time? That’s what should embarrass me?

It’s like you and I sitting on the front porch with a horse in the yard watching ten people walk up behind it and slapping it’s ass, getting the shit kicked out of them and being carted away in an ambulance. But you, being the genius you are get off the porch to go try it. I tell you not too. You tell me I should be embarrassed by thinking that horse is going to react the same way every time. I just don’t understand how it’s different now.

I hope you predialed 911. I’ll wave goodbye as the ambulance Hauls your ass off.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Nothing the Trumpsters say can spin them out of this.

Spin out of what exactly? Your obsession with watching Russian news, and believing it?

 

[Mac1958]

Spin out of what exactly? Your obsession with watching Russian news, and believing it?

Tucker is your guy. They've been leveraging him. All along.

You can play make believe all you'd like.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Tucker is your guy. They've been leveraging him. All along.

You can play make believe all you'd like.

What? Now Tucker is a Russian asset?

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

I find it hypocritical that nobody remembers Trump having ISIS headquarters blown into shit chunks.

And Trump had Soleimani assassinated for threatening the USA and it's citizens.

 

[CowboyTed]

Neither do I.

Isn't it strange how nobody was worried about nuclear war from 2016 to 2020? That is, except the Democrats who were convinced Trump was going to start a nuclear war. And now with Biden in the White House and the world inching closer to the possibility of a nuclear exchange, the left seems to be suffering from a collective case of laryngitis.

KYIV, Sept 25 (Reuters) - The United States warned on Sunday of "catastrophic consequences" if Moscow were to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, after Russia's foreign minister said regions holding widely-criticized referendums would get full protection if annexed by Moscow...

U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said on Sunday the United States would respond to any Russian use of nuclear weapons against Ukraine and that it had spelled out to Moscow the "catastrophic consequences" it would face...

"If Russia crosses this line, there will be catastrophic consequences for Russia. The United States will respond decisively," Sullivan told NBC's "Meet the Press" television program...."

U.S. warns of catastrophic consequences if Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine

So every-time Putin mentions nuclear, the US President is meant to turn around and take it in the ass...

Sorry but Trump is not the President, he could take up the ass good... Bide doesn't do that and he will stand up to bullies unlike Trump...

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Neither do I.

Isn't it strange how nobody was worried about nuclear war from 2016 to 2020? That is, except the Democrats who were convinced Trump was going to start a nuclear war. And now with Biden in the White House and the world inching closer to the possibility of a nuclear exchange, the left seems to be suffering from a collective case of laryngitis.

KYIV, Sept 25 (Reuters) - The United States warned on Sunday of "catastrophic consequences" if Moscow were to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, after Russia's foreign minister said regions holding widely-criticized referendums would get full protection if annexed by Moscow...

U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said on Sunday the United States would respond to any Russian use of nuclear weapons against Ukraine and that it had spelled out to Moscow the "catastrophic consequences" it would face...

"If Russia crosses this line, there will be catastrophic consequences for Russia. The United States will respond decisively," Sullivan told NBC's "Meet the Press" television program...."

U.S. warns of catastrophic consequences if Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine

 

[Rigby5]

So you’re pro-Putin now.

Ever since Russia helped China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Syria, Venezuela, Angola, etc., I have been very appreciative of Russia. The have better values than we do, since they are not just colonial imperialist looking only for profit.