Remember the Alamo and Sevastopol

[georgephillip]

Most Americans don't have the time or interest to critically investigate Russian history, particularly the number of times the Russian homeland has been invaded by reigning superpowers.

The US hasn't experienced repeated invasions because of its two large oceans; however, Russia has experienced numerous invasions from the leading superpowers of the time ranging from the Mongols in 1238, the Ottomans in the 16th century, Napoleon and the Nazis took their turns, giving Putin and all Russians good reason to fear the greatest superpower of all time.

What about the Alamo and the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol?

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

"In 1835, American settlers in the Mexican territory of Texas felt threatened by the government of Santa Anna in Mexico City, which had come to power by coup. In 1836, the American settlers in Texas declared independence, and later negotiated annexation by the United States.

"Thus, Americans can, if they wish, appreciate that Crimeans felt threatened by the government in Kiev, which came to power by coup, and that Crimeans also declared independence, and also then negotiated annexation by the nation of their origin.

"However, unlike Texas, Crimea had previously been part of Russia for 170 years.

"Just as the Alamo is an iconic historic site for Americans, so, too, is the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol an iconic historic site for Russians.

"Both symbolize steadfast courage and sacrifice in the face of overwhelming force.

"The Siege of the Alamo in 1836 lasted 13 days, with 1,500 Mexican soldiers overwhelming 250 Americans who died heroically defending liberty and independence.

"The first Siege of Sevastopol in 1854, lasted two years, with 175,000 British, French, Turkish, German, Italian, Polish and Swiss soldiers overwhelming 35,000 Russian soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"The second Siege of Sevastopol in 1941 lasted one year, with more than 200,000 German, Romanian, Italian and Bulgarian forces overwhelming 106,000 Soviet soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"When Americans feel emotional remembering the Alamo, they can begin to imagine the depth of emotion Russians must feel remembering Sevastopol."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Most Americans don't have the time or interest to critically investigate Russian history, particularly the number of times the Russian homeland has been invaded by reigning superpowers.

The US hasn't experienced repeated invasions because of its two large oceans; however, Russia has experienced numerous invasions from the leading superpowers of the time ranging from the Mongols in 1238, the Ottomans in the 16th century, Napoleon and the Nazis took their turns, giving Putin and all Russians good reason to fear the greatest superpower of all time.

What about the Alamo and the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol?

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

"In 1835, American settlers in the Mexican territory of Texas felt threatened by the government of Santa Anna in Mexico City, which had come to power by coup. In 1836, the American settlers in Texas declared independence, and later negotiated annexation by the United States.

"Thus, Americans can, if they wish, appreciate that Crimeans felt threatened by the government in Kiev, which came to power by coup, and that Crimeans also declared independence, and also then negotiated annexation by the nation of their origin.

"However, unlike Texas, Crimea had previously been part of Russia for 170 years.

"Just as the Alamo is an iconic historic site for Americans, so, too, is the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol an iconic historic site for Russians.

"Both symbolize steadfast courage and sacrifice in the face of overwhelming force.

"The Siege of the Alamo in 1836 lasted 13 days, with 1,500 Mexican soldiers overwhelming 250 Americans who died heroically defending liberty and independence.

"The first Siege of Sevastopol in 1854, lasted two years, with 175,000 British, French, Turkish, German, Italian, Polish and Swiss soldiers overwhelming 35,000 Russian soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"The second Siege of Sevastopol in 1941 lasted one year, with more than 200,000 German, Romanian, Italian and Bulgarian forces overwhelming 106,000 Soviet soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"When Americans feel emotional remembering the Alamo, they can begin to imagine the depth of emotion Russians must feel remembering Sevastopol."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

The Alamo, a sovereign nation mowing down the illegal aliens squatting in its territory.

 

[georgephillip]

Most Americans don't have the time or interest to critically investigate Russian history, particularly the number of times the Russian homeland has been invaded by reigning superpowers.

The US hasn't experienced repeated invasions because of its two large oceans; however, Russia has experienced numerous invasions from the leading superpowers of the time ranging from the Mongols in 1238, the Ottomans in the 16th century, Napoleon and the Nazis took their turns, giving Putin and all Russians good reason to fear the greatest superpower of all time.

What about the Alamo and the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol?

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

"In 1835, American settlers in the Mexican territory of Texas felt threatened by the government of Santa Anna in Mexico City, which had come to power by coup. In 1836, the American settlers in Texas declared independence, and later negotiated annexation by the United States.

"Thus, Americans can, if they wish, appreciate that Crimeans felt threatened by the government in Kiev, which came to power by coup, and that Crimeans also declared independence, and also then negotiated annexation by the nation of their origin.

"However, unlike Texas, Crimea had previously been part of Russia for 170 years.

"Just as the Alamo is an iconic historic site for Americans, so, too, is the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol an iconic historic site for Russians.

"Both symbolize steadfast courage and sacrifice in the face of overwhelming force.

"The Siege of the Alamo in 1836 lasted 13 days, with 1,500 Mexican soldiers overwhelming 250 Americans who died heroically defending liberty and independence.

"The first Siege of Sevastopol in 1854, lasted two years, with 175,000 British, French, Turkish, German, Italian, Polish and Swiss soldiers overwhelming 35,000 Russian soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"The second Siege of Sevastopol in 1941 lasted one year, with more than 200,000 German, Romanian, Italian and Bulgarian forces overwhelming 106,000 Soviet soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"When Americans feel emotional remembering the Alamo, they can begin to imagine the depth of emotion Russians must feel remembering Sevastopol."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

The Alamo, a sovereign nation mowing down the illegal aliens squatting in its territory.

Davy wasn't legal

"David 'Davy' Crockett (August 17, 1786 – March 6, 1836) was a 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician. He is commonly referred to in popular culture by the epithet 'King of the Wild Frontier'.

"He represented Tennessee in the U.S. House of Representatives, served in the Texas Revolution, and died at the Battle of the Alamo."

Davy Crockett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Most Americans don't have the time or interest to critically investigate Russian history, particularly the number of times the Russian homeland has been invaded by reigning superpowers.

The US hasn't experienced repeated invasions because of its two large oceans; however, Russia has experienced numerous invasions from the leading superpowers of the time ranging from the Mongols in 1238, the Ottomans in the 16th century, Napoleon and the Nazis took their turns, giving Putin and all Russians good reason to fear the greatest superpower of all time.

What about the Alamo and the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol?

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

"In 1835, American settlers in the Mexican territory of Texas felt threatened by the government of Santa Anna in Mexico City, which had come to power by coup. In 1836, the American settlers in Texas declared independence, and later negotiated annexation by the United States.

"Thus, Americans can, if they wish, appreciate that Crimeans felt threatened by the government in Kiev, which came to power by coup, and that Crimeans also declared independence, and also then negotiated annexation by the nation of their origin.

"However, unlike Texas, Crimea had previously been part of Russia for 170 years.

"Just as the Alamo is an iconic historic site for Americans, so, too, is the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol an iconic historic site for Russians.

"Both symbolize steadfast courage and sacrifice in the face of overwhelming force.

"The Siege of the Alamo in 1836 lasted 13 days, with 1,500 Mexican soldiers overwhelming 250 Americans who died heroically defending liberty and independence.

"The first Siege of Sevastopol in 1854, lasted two years, with 175,000 British, French, Turkish, German, Italian, Polish and Swiss soldiers overwhelming 35,000 Russian soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"The second Siege of Sevastopol in 1941 lasted one year, with more than 200,000 German, Romanian, Italian and Bulgarian forces overwhelming 106,000 Soviet soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"When Americans feel emotional remembering the Alamo, they can begin to imagine the depth of emotion Russians must feel remembering Sevastopol."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

The Alamo, a sovereign nation mowing down the illegal aliens squatting in its territory.

Davy wasn't legal

"David 'Davy' Crockett (August 17, 1786 – March 6, 1836) was a 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician. He is commonly referred to in popular culture by the epithet 'King of the Wild Frontier'.

"He represented Tennessee in the U.S. House of Representatives, served in the Texas Revolution, and died at the Battle of the Alamo."

Davy Crockett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was Illegal when squatting in Mexico, where the Alamo was, and they didn't much care for it.

 

[georgephillip]

The Alamo, a sovereign nation mowing down the illegal aliens squatting in its territory.

Davy wasn't legal

"David 'Davy' Crockett (August 17, 1786 – March 6, 1836) was a 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician. He is commonly referred to in popular culture by the epithet 'King of the Wild Frontier'.

"He represented Tennessee in the U.S. House of Representatives, served in the Texas Revolution, and died at the Battle of the Alamo."

Davy Crockett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was Illegal when squatting in Mexico, where the Alamo was, and they didn't much care for it.

"One of Crockett's sayings, which were published in almanacs between 1835 and 1856 (along with those of Daniel Boone and Kit Carson), was: Always be sure you are right, then go ahead."[156]

Oops...

Davy Crockett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Davy wasn't legal

"David 'Davy' Crockett (August 17, 1786 – March 6, 1836) was a 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician. He is commonly referred to in popular culture by the epithet 'King of the Wild Frontier'.

"He represented Tennessee in the U.S. House of Representatives, served in the Texas Revolution, and died at the Battle of the Alamo."

Davy Crockett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was Illegal when squatting in Mexico, where the Alamo was, and they didn't much care for it.

"One of Crockett's sayings, which were published in almanacs between 1835 and 1856 (along with those of Daniel Boone and Kit Carson), was: Always be sure you are right, then go ahead."[156]

Oops...

Davy Crockett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You either have a problem understanding history, or you don't know it?

As for being right, he got very very dead. You might pick a better person to quote.

 

[georgephillip]

He was Illegal when squatting in Mexico, where the Alamo was, and they didn't much care for it.

"One of Crockett's sayings, which were published in almanacs between 1835 and 1856 (along with those of Daniel Boone and Kit Carson), was: Always be sure you are right, then go ahead."[156]

Oops...

Davy Crockett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You either have a problem understanding history, or you don't know it?

As for being right, he got very very dead. You might pick a better person to quote.

OK.
How about Floyd Rudmin?

"James Joyce’s famous statement that 'history is a nightmare' from which we should try to awake, aptly describes current events in the Ukraine.

"All nations involved in these events are biased by the remembered, misremembered, forgotten, and mythologized history they carry in their heads.

"Chaos in Maidan Square, neo-fascists in positions of power in Kiev, Russia annexing Crimea, these are inkblots that everyone sees differently depending on the historical visions that dominate their minds.

"Our national memories have the passion and power to drive us blindly to hatreds and to war.

"The histories we believe set us up for easy manipulations and disastrous actions."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[PaintMyHouse]

"The histories we believe set us up for easy manipulations and disastrous actions."

Let's go with that one. That's the US, and France, in a nutshell.

 

[georgephillip]

"The histories we believe set us up for easy manipulations and disastrous actions."

Let's go with that one. That's the US, and France, in nutshell.

Do you think that helps explain why both the US and France have invaded Russia?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

"The histories we believe set us up for easy manipulations and disastrous actions."

Let's go with that one. That's the US, and France, in nutshell.

Do you think that helps explain why both the US and France have invaded Russia?

How'd that work out?

 

[percysunshine]

Most Americans don't have the time or interest to critically investigate Russian history, particularly the number of times the Russian homeland has been invaded by reigning superpowers.

The US hasn't experienced repeated invasions because of its two large oceans; however, Russia has experienced numerous invasions from the leading superpowers of the time ranging from the Mongols in 1238, the Ottomans in the 16th century, Napoleon and the Nazis took their turns, giving Putin and all Russians good reason to fear the greatest superpower of all time.

What about the Alamo and the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol?

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

"In 1835, American settlers in the Mexican territory of Texas felt threatened by the government of Santa Anna in Mexico City, which had come to power by coup. In 1836, the American settlers in Texas declared independence, and later negotiated annexation by the United States.

"Thus, Americans can, if they wish, appreciate that Crimeans felt threatened by the government in Kiev, which came to power by coup, and that Crimeans also declared independence, and also then negotiated annexation by the nation of their origin.

"However, unlike Texas, Crimea had previously been part of Russia for 170 years.

"Just as the Alamo is an iconic historic site for Americans, so, too, is the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol an iconic historic site for Russians.

"Both symbolize steadfast courage and sacrifice in the face of overwhelming force.

"The Siege of the Alamo in 1836 lasted 13 days, with 1,500 Mexican soldiers overwhelming 250 Americans who died heroically defending liberty and independence.

"The first Siege of Sevastopol in 1854, lasted two years, with 175,000 British, French, Turkish, German, Italian, Polish and Swiss soldiers overwhelming 35,000 Russian soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"The second Siege of Sevastopol in 1941 lasted one year, with more than 200,000 German, Romanian, Italian and Bulgarian forces overwhelming 106,000 Soviet soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"When Americans feel emotional remembering the Alamo, they can begin to imagine the depth of emotion Russians must feel remembering Sevastopol."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Sooo...your perspective on foreign policy is aligned with the theory that the rapist is the victim. That should go over well.

.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Most Americans don't have the time or interest to critically investigate Russian history, particularly the number of times the Russian homeland has been invaded by reigning superpowers.

The US hasn't experienced repeated invasions because of its two large oceans; however, Russia has experienced numerous invasions from the leading superpowers of the time ranging from the Mongols in 1238, the Ottomans in the 16th century, Napoleon and the Nazis took their turns, giving Putin and all Russians good reason to fear the greatest superpower of all time.

What about the Alamo and the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol?

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

"In 1835, American settlers in the Mexican territory of Texas felt threatened by the government of Santa Anna in Mexico City, which had come to power by coup. In 1836, the American settlers in Texas declared independence, and later negotiated annexation by the United States.

"Thus, Americans can, if they wish, appreciate that Crimeans felt threatened by the government in Kiev, which came to power by coup, and that Crimeans also declared independence, and also then negotiated annexation by the nation of their origin.

"However, unlike Texas, Crimea had previously been part of Russia for 170 years.

"Just as the Alamo is an iconic historic site for Americans, so, too, is the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol an iconic historic site for Russians.

"Both symbolize steadfast courage and sacrifice in the face of overwhelming force.

"The Siege of the Alamo in 1836 lasted 13 days, with 1,500 Mexican soldiers overwhelming 250 Americans who died heroically defending liberty and independence.

"The first Siege of Sevastopol in 1854, lasted two years, with 175,000 British, French, Turkish, German, Italian, Polish and Swiss soldiers overwhelming 35,000 Russian soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"The second Siege of Sevastopol in 1941 lasted one year, with more than 200,000 German, Romanian, Italian and Bulgarian forces overwhelming 106,000 Soviet soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"When Americans feel emotional remembering the Alamo, they can begin to imagine the depth of emotion Russians must feel remembering Sevastopol."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Sooo...your perspective on foreign policy is aligned with the theory that the rapist is the victim. That should go over well.

.

Short skirt, drunk, and no panties. She was asking for it.

 

[georgephillip]

Let's go with that one. That's the US, and France, in nutshell.

Do you think that helps explain why both the US and France have invaded Russia?

How'd that work out?

Pretty well for some bankers.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Do you think that helps explain why both the US and France have invaded Russia?

How'd that work out?

Pretty well for some bankers.

Odd how that tends to happen, or maybe not...

 

[Howey]

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

Might want to roll back your history book a little more. Seems like the current situation is more like when Catherine the Great pulled a Pootin in 1783 and invaded Crimea, remarkably mimicking Pootin two hundred and fifty years later.

When Catherine the Great Invaded the Crimea and Put the Rest of the World on Edge | History | Smithsonian

The 1774 Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca temporarily ended the conflict, leaving the Crimea with nominal independence but giving Russia control of key ports on the peninsula. Catherine refused all offers from Prussia, Austria and France of further mediation, determined to continue pursue her territorial ambitions in the region. Catherine’s fellow monarchs ultimately accepted the loss of the Crimea’s independence, and Russia formally annexed the Crimea in 1783.

Russo-Turkish wars and three successive partitions of Poland during Catherine’s reign brought much of the rest of modern Ukraine under Russian rule after the region had spent centuries under Polish-Lithuanian control. Catherine’s victories enabled Russia to establish a Black Sea fleet. Special access to the Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits that connected the Black Sea to the Aegean Sea via the Sea of Marmara became a key foreign policy goal for Catherine’s descendants during the 19th century, contributing to the outbreak of the Crimean War (1853-1856).

The Ukranian peasantry could no more enjoy the freedom of mobility that they were once permitted as subjects of the Polish-Lithuanian Empire. Despite her attempts to forge an “Enlightened” image, Catherine’s espousal of serfdom lead to brutal consequences and sustained criticism from her European neighbors. Catherine owed her throne to the support of the nobility and therefore did little to improve the lives of the peasants who toiled on their estates. Yemelyan Pugachev, claiming to be Catherine’s long-since-murdered husband Peter, promised to free enserfed peasants from their labour and financial obligations to the nobility. He quickly gained upwards of 200,00 supporters.

In 1774, Pugachev led 20,000 peasants in the capture of the Russian city of Kazan, setting fire to the city and slaughtering noble families. Catherine’s troops responded to the violence with violence. Pugachev and hundreds of his supporters were executed and thousands more were flogged or mutilated.

As far as the Alamo is concerned, and more broadly the Texas fight for independence from Mexico, it's interesting to note that the anti-immigration laws of Mexico led to the revolt, among other restrictions.

Another parallel to look at? Would you be in support of Mexico annexing Texas ala' Pootin and Crimea?

How about our America Indians reclaiming the entire nation? Ok with that too?

 

[georgephillip]

Most Americans don't have the time or interest to critically investigate Russian history, particularly the number of times the Russian homeland has been invaded by reigning superpowers.

The US hasn't experienced repeated invasions because of its two large oceans; however, Russia has experienced numerous invasions from the leading superpowers of the time ranging from the Mongols in 1238, the Ottomans in the 16th century, Napoleon and the Nazis took their turns, giving Putin and all Russians good reason to fear the greatest superpower of all time.

What about the Alamo and the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol?

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

"In 1835, American settlers in the Mexican territory of Texas felt threatened by the government of Santa Anna in Mexico City, which had come to power by coup. In 1836, the American settlers in Texas declared independence, and later negotiated annexation by the United States.

"Thus, Americans can, if they wish, appreciate that Crimeans felt threatened by the government in Kiev, which came to power by coup, and that Crimeans also declared independence, and also then negotiated annexation by the nation of their origin.

"However, unlike Texas, Crimea had previously been part of Russia for 170 years.

"Just as the Alamo is an iconic historic site for Americans, so, too, is the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol an iconic historic site for Russians.

"Both symbolize steadfast courage and sacrifice in the face of overwhelming force.

"The Siege of the Alamo in 1836 lasted 13 days, with 1,500 Mexican soldiers overwhelming 250 Americans who died heroically defending liberty and independence.

"The first Siege of Sevastopol in 1854, lasted two years, with 175,000 British, French, Turkish, German, Italian, Polish and Swiss soldiers overwhelming 35,000 Russian soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"The second Siege of Sevastopol in 1941 lasted one year, with more than 200,000 German, Romanian, Italian and Bulgarian forces overwhelming 106,000 Soviet soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"When Americans feel emotional remembering the Alamo, they can begin to imagine the depth of emotion Russians must feel remembering Sevastopol."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Sooo...your perspective on foreign policy is aligned with the theory that the rapist is the victim. That should go over well.

.

I suppose you would have to tell me what you think the rape policies of the Mongols and Nazis were before I could follow your logic:

"The Mongol Super-power: The Mongol Empire was the largest in history, conquering the Chinese Empire and Persian Empire. In 1238, the Mongols crossed the Volga River with 35,000 mounted archers backed by 70,000 Turks including Chinese siege equipment for attacking walled cities. They conquered most Russian regions as well as Crimea. In 1240, the Mongols captured Kiev and killed most of its 50,000 inhabitants. An estimated 500,000 Kievan Rus’ (Russians, Ukrainians, Byelorussians) died during the Mongol invasion. For several centuries afterwards, regional khans continued attacking Russia. For example, in 1382, the Golden Horde sieged Moscow, slaughtered 24,000 Muscovites, and took thousands of captives..."

"The Nazi Super-power: Hitler harnessed the passionate ideals of fascism to coercive diplomacy and to new military tactics of blitzkrieg and was thus invincible in conquering Continental Europe in only 2 years. In 1941, Hitler assembled the largest army Europe had ever seen, comprised of an estimated 3.2 million German soldiers and about 500,000 from Italy and Romania. Although Hitler conquered vast stretches of territory, he failed to capture Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad or the Caspian oil fields. Soviet deaths were an estimated 8 – 13 million soldiers and as many as 20 million civilians. For example, 200,000 soldiers and 1.2 million civilians died in the Siege of Leningrad. In contrast, total US deaths during WWII were 418,000 military and fewer than 2,000 civilians."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[percysunshine]

Most Americans don't have the time or interest to critically investigate Russian history, particularly the number of times the Russian homeland has been invaded by reigning superpowers.

The US hasn't experienced repeated invasions because of its two large oceans; however, Russia has experienced numerous invasions from the leading superpowers of the time ranging from the Mongols in 1238, the Ottomans in the 16th century, Napoleon and the Nazis took their turns, giving Putin and all Russians good reason to fear the greatest superpower of all time.

What about the Alamo and the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol?

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

"In 1835, American settlers in the Mexican territory of Texas felt threatened by the government of Santa Anna in Mexico City, which had come to power by coup. In 1836, the American settlers in Texas declared independence, and later negotiated annexation by the United States.

"Thus, Americans can, if they wish, appreciate that Crimeans felt threatened by the government in Kiev, which came to power by coup, and that Crimeans also declared independence, and also then negotiated annexation by the nation of their origin.

"However, unlike Texas, Crimea had previously been part of Russia for 170 years.

"Just as the Alamo is an iconic historic site for Americans, so, too, is the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol an iconic historic site for Russians.

"Both symbolize steadfast courage and sacrifice in the face of overwhelming force.

"The Siege of the Alamo in 1836 lasted 13 days, with 1,500 Mexican soldiers overwhelming 250 Americans who died heroically defending liberty and independence.

"The first Siege of Sevastopol in 1854, lasted two years, with 175,000 British, French, Turkish, German, Italian, Polish and Swiss soldiers overwhelming 35,000 Russian soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"The second Siege of Sevastopol in 1941 lasted one year, with more than 200,000 German, Romanian, Italian and Bulgarian forces overwhelming 106,000 Soviet soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"When Americans feel emotional remembering the Alamo, they can begin to imagine the depth of emotion Russians must feel remembering Sevastopol."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Sooo...your perspective on foreign policy is aligned with the theory that the rapist is the victim. That should go over well.

.

I suppose you would have to tell me what you think the rape policies of the Mongols and Nazis were before I could follow your logic:

...

The Mongols and Nazis were Crimean? Do tell, oh vaunted Sahib.

.

 

[georgephillip]

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

Might want to roll back your history book a little more. Seems like the current situation is more like when Catherine the Great pulled a Pootin in 1783 and invaded Crimea, remarkably mimicking Pootin two hundred and fifty years later.

When Catherine the Great Invaded the Crimea and Put the Rest of the World on Edge | History | Smithsonian

The 1774 Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca temporarily ended the conflict, leaving the Crimea with nominal independence but giving Russia control of key ports on the peninsula. Catherine refused all offers from Prussia, Austria and France of further mediation, determined to continue pursue her territorial ambitions in the region. Catherine’s fellow monarchs ultimately accepted the loss of the Crimea’s independence, and Russia formally annexed the Crimea in 1783.

Russo-Turkish wars and three successive partitions of Poland during Catherine’s reign brought much of the rest of modern Ukraine under Russian rule after the region had spent centuries under Polish-Lithuanian control. Catherine’s victories enabled Russia to establish a Black Sea fleet. Special access to the Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits that connected the Black Sea to the Aegean Sea via the Sea of Marmara became a key foreign policy goal for Catherine’s descendants during the 19th century, contributing to the outbreak of the Crimean War (1853-1856).

The Ukranian peasantry could no more enjoy the freedom of mobility that they were once permitted as subjects of the Polish-Lithuanian Empire. Despite her attempts to forge an “Enlightened” image, Catherine’s espousal of serfdom lead to brutal consequences and sustained criticism from her European neighbors. Catherine owed her throne to the support of the nobility and therefore did little to improve the lives of the peasants who toiled on their estates. Yemelyan Pugachev, claiming to be Catherine’s long-since-murdered husband Peter, promised to free enserfed peasants from their labour and financial obligations to the nobility. He quickly gained upwards of 200,00 supporters.

In 1774, Pugachev led 20,000 peasants in the capture of the Russian city of Kazan, setting fire to the city and slaughtering noble families. Catherine’s troops responded to the violence with violence. Pugachev and hundreds of his supporters were executed and thousands more were flogged or mutilated.

As far as the Alamo is concerned, and more broadly the Texas fight for independence from Mexico, it's interesting to note that the anti-immigration laws of Mexico led to the revolt, among other restrictions.

Another parallel to look at? Would you be in support of Mexico annexing Texas ala' Pootin and Crimea?

How about our America Indians reclaiming the entire nation? Ok with that too?

Sure, if US voters endorsed the Indians' claims by the same percentage (96.77%) as Crimeans who recently voted to rejoin Russia, why not?

I'm not clear on why the Mexicans would want Texas.

I am clear why Russians view US meddling in the political affairs of neighboring states as violations of international law with existential implications:

"America experienced invading foreign forces during its War of Independence in the 1770s, and again on a small scale during the War of 1812. But only two foreign attacks are seared into the American psyche with historic force.

"One is the Dec. 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor which lasted less than 2 hours and killed 2,400 Americans.

"The other is the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on NY City and Washington, DC which lasted less than 3 hours and killed 3,000 victims.

"Americans’ anger to avenge those attacks is deep and enduring, allowing no limits of cost, no limits of law, to prevent such attacks happening again.

"Thus, Americans can, if they wish, appreciate Russia’s reactions to being attacked by foreign armies, and can understand why Russia also will allow no limits of cost, no limits of law, to prevent such attacks happening again."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[eagle7_31]

Most Americans don't have the time or interest to critically investigate Russian history, particularly the number of times the Russian homeland has been invaded by reigning superpowers.

The US hasn't experienced repeated invasions because of its two large oceans; however, Russia has experienced numerous invasions from the leading superpowers of the time ranging from the Mongols in 1238, the Ottomans in the 16th century, Napoleon and the Nazis took their turns, giving Putin and all Russians good reason to fear the greatest superpower of all time.

What about the Alamo and the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol?

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

"In 1835, American settlers in the Mexican territory of Texas felt threatened by the government of Santa Anna in Mexico City, which had come to power by coup. In 1836, the American settlers in Texas declared independence, and later negotiated annexation by the United States.

"Thus, Americans can, if they wish, appreciate that Crimeans felt threatened by the government in Kiev, which came to power by coup, and that Crimeans also declared independence, and also then negotiated annexation by the nation of their origin.

"However, unlike Texas, Crimea had previously been part of Russia for 170 years.

"Just as the Alamo is an iconic historic site for Americans, so, too, is the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol an iconic historic site for Russians.

"Both symbolize steadfast courage and sacrifice in the face of overwhelming force.

"The Siege of the Alamo in 1836 lasted 13 days, with 1,500 Mexican soldiers overwhelming 250 Americans who died heroically defending liberty and independence.

"The first Siege of Sevastopol in 1854, lasted two years, with 175,000 British, French, Turkish, German, Italian, Polish and Swiss soldiers overwhelming 35,000 Russian soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"The second Siege of Sevastopol in 1941 lasted one year, with more than 200,000 German, Romanian, Italian and Bulgarian forces overwhelming 106,000 Soviet soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"When Americans feel emotional remembering the Alamo, they can begin to imagine the depth of emotion Russians must feel remembering Sevastopol."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

The Alamo, a sovereign nation mowing down the illegal aliens squatting in its territory.

THe Mexican govt invited settlers to Texas to help in its development, seems you forgot that part.

 

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Most Americans don't have the time or interest to critically investigate Russian history, particularly the number of times the Russian homeland has been invaded by reigning superpowers.

The US hasn't experienced repeated invasions because of its two large oceans; however, Russia has experienced numerous invasions from the leading superpowers of the time ranging from the Mongols in 1238, the Ottomans in the 16th century, Napoleon and the Nazis took their turns, giving Putin and all Russians good reason to fear the greatest superpower of all time.

What about the Alamo and the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol?

"Americans also 'Remember the Alamo'.

"In 1835, American settlers in the Mexican territory of Texas felt threatened by the government of Santa Anna in Mexico City, which had come to power by coup. In 1836, the American settlers in Texas declared independence, and later negotiated annexation by the United States.

"Thus, Americans can, if they wish, appreciate that Crimeans felt threatened by the government in Kiev, which came to power by coup, and that Crimeans also declared independence, and also then negotiated annexation by the nation of their origin.

"However, unlike Texas, Crimea had previously been part of Russia for 170 years.

"Just as the Alamo is an iconic historic site for Americans, so, too, is the Crimean fortress of Sevastopol an iconic historic site for Russians.

"Both symbolize steadfast courage and sacrifice in the face of overwhelming force.

"The Siege of the Alamo in 1836 lasted 13 days, with 1,500 Mexican soldiers overwhelming 250 Americans who died heroically defending liberty and independence.

"The first Siege of Sevastopol in 1854, lasted two years, with 175,000 British, French, Turkish, German, Italian, Polish and Swiss soldiers overwhelming 35,000 Russian soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"The second Siege of Sevastopol in 1941 lasted one year, with more than 200,000 German, Romanian, Italian and Bulgarian forces overwhelming 106,000 Soviet soldiers heroically defending Russian Crimea.

"When Americans feel emotional remembering the Alamo, they can begin to imagine the depth of emotion Russians must feel remembering Sevastopol."

Viewing the Ukraine Crisis From Russia?s Perspective » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

The Alamo, a sovereign nation mowing down the illegal aliens squatting in its territory.

THe Mexican govt invited settlers to Texas to help in its development, seems you forgot that part.

Nope, I didn't forget. And then they tried to take it over, not a very guest-worker like thing to do eh? So Mexico slaughtered them. It's too bad the Native Americans weren't better at that here.