Refuting Liberal Falsehoods and Distortions About Tax Cuts and Revenue

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Let’s get some facts straight. Predictably, liberals are repeating all kinds of myths and distortions about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts in their baffling effort to ignore the numerous positive aspects of the Trump tax cuts. Of course, our resident liberals are saying next to nothing about the Harding, JFK, and Clinton tax cuts, all of which were followed by sizable increases in federal revenue (and did not result in increased deficits and debt). Anyway, here are some bullet points to refute the liberal falsehoods and distortions that we have been seeing in this forum for the last two weeks (I expand on these points in an article I just web-published: Setting the Record Straight About the Bush and Reagan Tax Cuts).

Bush

* The Bush tax cuts came in two bills, the first signed in June 2001 and the second signed in May 2003. The 2001 bill reduced personal income taxes—however, these cuts were to be phased in over eight years and were not to be fully implemented until 2009.

* The 2003 bill accelerated the personal income tax cuts in the 2001 bill and added several business tax cuts. So by the end of 2002, only a fraction of the Bush personal income tax cuts had taken affect, and the business tax cuts had not yet been passed. Thus, we cannot judge the Bush tax cuts by federal revenue in 2001 and 2002.

* The Bush tax cuts—personal and business—really began in 2003 with the passage of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act (JGTRRA) in May 2003. As mentioned, the 2003 bill accelerated the personal income tax cuts in the 2001 bill. Financial expert Kimberly Amadeo explains some of the positive impacts of the JGTRRA:

JGTRRA helped the economy out of recession by putting more dollars into the pockets of businesses and investors, and ultimately consumers. It encouraged investment in the stock market by decreasing capital gains and dividend taxes.

By reducing the cost of buying stocks, JGTRRA made them more attractive than bonds. That put $9.2 billion more into the pockets of stockholders in just the first year.

As dividend-paying stocks become more popular, companies issue more of them instead of bonds. Their financing became more reliant on bonds than stocks. That helps companies in a downturn because they are less likely to default on bond payments, which are fixed. It reduces the risk of corporate bankruptcies.

JGTRRA also encouraged companies to increase dividend payment. More than 200 companies, most notably Target, Citigroup, and Walgreen, announced dividend increases by July 2003.

Many companies, most notably Microsoft, started issuing dividends for the first time. Much of executive compensation is paid in stocks and stock options. This form of payment became even more popular when the tax burden on dividends was lessened for high-income earners.

As a result of JGTRRA, total dividend payments increased 20 percent from 2003 - 2012. For the previous 20 years, they had declined. (JGTRRA: The Tax Cut to Help Wall Street After 9/11)​

* Federal revenue rose substantially after the 2003 tax cuts, going from $1.78 trillion to $2.56 trillion from 2003 to 2007, an increase of 43%.

* Total federal revenue for 2008 dropped slightly, down to $2.52 trillion, because a recession started that year, but revenue was still substantially higher than it was in 2003 or 2004.

* During the same period, 2003-2007, personal income tax revenue rose dramatically, going from $925 billion in 2003 to $1.53 trillion in 2007.

* Even in 2009, when the recession neared depression territory and remained severe throughout the year, total federal revenue was $2.10 trillion, which, even adjusted for inflation, was very close to total federal revenue for the boom years of 2005 and 2006.

* If Congress had not gone on a reckless spending spree, we would have kept the budget balanced and continued to pay down the debt.

Reagan

* Reagan did in fact agree to four tax hikes, in 1982, 1983, 1984, and 1986. The 1983 “tax increase” was an increase in the payroll tax (i.e., the Social Security tax) that was part of a bipartisan bill to keep SS solvent. It seems a bit unfair to call this a “tax hike” when it was really just increasing the amount that taxpayers had to contribute to a fund from which they would later draw. The 1982, 1984, and 1986 tax hikes involved business taxes, tax loopholes, and the capital gains tax. Those tax hikes did not affect personal income tax rates, and Reagan cut taxes again in 1986.

* Reagan slashed personal income tax rates and the capital gains tax rate for individuals. My article includes tax tables from tax years 1980 and 1988 so that anyone can look and see for themselves just how much Reagan cut income tax rates.

* Federal revenue rose substantially after the Reagan tax cuts. Revenue rose by over 50% from 1983 to 1988, going from $326 billion to $549 billion. In 1989, the last year that a Reagan budget was in operation, revenue rose a whopping $53 billion, an increase of 10% from the previous year.

* But those huge boosts in revenue were more than offset by staggering spending hikes passed by Congress year after year. The Democrats started bundling spending bills into one giant omnibus spending bill, which left Reagan with two choices: sign them or shut down the government. If the government had restrained spending, the deficit would have been reduced, and the budget could have been balanced by 1986 or 1987.

* Economists William Niskanen and Stephen Moore on the impact of Reagan’s economic policies:

Real economic growth averaged 3.2 percent during the Reagan years versus 2.8 percent during the Ford-Carter years and 2.1 percent during the Bush-Clinton years.

Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.

Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency. (Supply-Side Tax Cuts and the Truth about the Reagan Economic Record)​

Economist Dr. William Niskanen:

Real GDP per working-age adult, which had increased at only a 0.8 annual rate during the Carter administration, increased at a 1.8 percent rate during the Reagan administration. The increase in productivity growth was even higher: output per hour in the business sector, which had been roughly constant in the Carter years, increased at a 1.4 percent rate in the Reagan years. Productivity in the manufacturing sector increased at a 3.8 percent annual rate, a record for peacetime.

Most other economic conditions also improved. The unemployment rate declined from 7.0 percent in 1980 to 5.4 percent in 1988. The inflation rate declined from 10.4 percent in 1980 to 4.2 percent in 1988. (Reaganomics, by William A. Niskanen: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty)​

Again, for more information on these issues, see:

Setting the Record Straight About the Bush and Reagan Tax Cuts
The Facts About Tax Cuts, Revenue, and Growth (new edition)
 
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Well, isn't it interesting that there are no replies, much less admissions of error, from the liberals who have been repeating these myths about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts for the last two weeks in several threads? Where are they?
 
Well, isn't it interesting that there are no replies, much less admissions of error, from the liberals who have been repeating these myths about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts for the last two weeks in several threads? Where are they?

You want us to repost all the demolitions of your nonsense that you put in your last thread on this same exact topic?
 
This is all really much simpler, it can all be explained simply by looking at Kansas.
The current GOP policies are much different than Reagans, even a Reagan insider points it out.
But ultimately, as referred to by the institute named after the economist you mentioned William Niskanen: the system is rigged for the rich.

No honest discussion about tax cuts or economic policy can avoid the issue of growing inequality.
 
Well, isn't it interesting that there are no replies, much less admissions of error, from the liberals who have been repeating these myths about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts for the last two weeks in several threads? Where are they?
How many damn threads do you need to post on the same subject?
 
Let’s get some facts straight. Predictably, liberals are repeating all kinds of myths and distortions about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts in their baffling effort to ignore the numerous positive aspects of the Trump tax cuts. Of course, our resident liberals are saying next to nothing about the Harding, JFK, and Clinton tax cuts, all of which were followed by sizable increases in federal revenue (and did not result in increased deficits and debt). Anyway, here are some bullet points to refute the liberal falsehoods and distortions that we have been seeing in this forum for the last two weeks (I expand on these points in an article I just web-published: Setting the Record Straight About the Bush and Reagan Tax Cuts).

Bush

* The Bush tax cuts came in two bills, the first signed in June 2001 and the second signed in May 2003. The 2001 bill reduced personal income taxes—however, these cuts were to be phased in over eight years and were not to be fully implemented until 2009.

* The 2003 bill accelerated the personal income tax cuts in the 2001 bill and added several business tax cuts. So by the end of 2002, only a fraction of the Bush personal income tax cuts had taken affect, and the business tax cuts had not yet been passed. Thus, we cannot judge the Bush tax cuts by federal revenue in 2001 and 2002.

* The Bush tax cuts—personal and business—really began in 2003 with the passage of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act (JGTRRA) in May 2003. As mentioned, the 2003 bill accelerated the personal income tax cuts in the 2001 bill. Financial expert Kimberly Amadeo explains some of the positive impacts of the JGTRRA:

JGTRRA helped the economy out of recession by putting more dollars into the pockets of businesses and investors, and ultimately consumers. It encouraged investment in the stock market by decreasing capital gains and dividend taxes.

By reducing the cost of buying stocks, JGTRRA made them more attractive than bonds. That put $9.2 billion more into the pockets of stockholders in just the first year.

As dividend-paying stocks become more popular, companies issue more of them instead of bonds. Their financing became more reliant on bonds than stocks. That helps companies in a downturn because they are less likely to default on bond payments, which are fixed. It reduces the risk of corporate bankruptcies.

JGTRRA also encouraged companies to increase dividend payment. More than 200 companies, most notably Target, Citigroup, and Walgreen, announced dividend increases by July 2003.

Many companies, most notably Microsoft, started issuing dividends for the first time. Much of executive compensation is paid in stocks and stock options. This form of payment became even more popular when the tax burden on dividends was lessened for high-income earners.

As a result of JGTRRA, total dividend payments increased 20 percent from 2003 - 2012. For the previous 20 years, they had declined. (JGTRRA: The Tax Cut to Help Wall Street After 9/11)​

* Federal revenue rose substantially after the 2003 tax cuts, going from $1.78 trillion to $2.56 trillion from 2003 to 2007, an increase of 43%.

* Total federal revenue for 2008 dropped slightly, down to $2.52 trillion, because a recession started that year, but revenue was still substantially higher than it was in 2003 or 2004.

* During the same period, 2003-2007, personal income tax revenue rose dramatically, going from $925 billion in 2003 to $1.53 trillion in 2007.

* Even in 2009, when the recession neared depression territory and remained severe throughout the year, total federal revenue was $2.10 trillion, which, even adjusted for inflation, was very close to total federal revenue for the boom years of 2005 and 2006.

* If Congress had not gone on a reckless spending spree, we would have kept the budget balanced and continued to pay down the debt.

Reagan

* Reagan did in fact agree to four tax hikes, in 1982, 1983, 1984, and 1986. The 1983 “tax increase” was an increase in the payroll tax (i.e., the Social Security tax) that was part of a bipartisan bill to keep SS solvent. It seems a bit unfair to call this a “tax hike” when it was really just increasing the amount that taxpayers had to contribute to a fund from which they would later draw. The 1982, 1984, and 1986 tax hikes involved business taxes, tax loopholes, and the capital gains tax. Those tax hikes did not affect personal income tax rates, and Reagan cut taxes again in 1986.

* Reagan slashed personal income tax rates and the capital gains tax rate for individuals. My article includes tax tables from tax years 1980 and 1988 so that anyone can look and see for themselves just how much Reagan cut income tax rates.

* Federal revenue rose substantially after the Reagan tax cuts. Revenue rose by over 50% from 1983 to 1988, going from $326 billion to $549 billion. In 1989, the last year that a Reagan budget was in operation, revenue rose a whopping $53 billion, an increase of 10% from the previous year.

* But those huge boosts in revenue were more than offset by staggering spending hikes passed by Congress year after year. The Democrats started bundling spending bills into one giant omnibus spending bill, which left Reagan with two choices: sign them or shut down the government. If the government had restrained spending, the deficit would have been reduced, and the budget could have been balanced by 1986 or 1987.

* Economists William Niskanen and Stephen Moore on the impact of Reagan’s economic policies:

Real economic growth averaged 3.2 percent during the Reagan years versus 2.8 percent during the Ford-Carter years and 2.1 percent during the Bush-Clinton years.

Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.

Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency. (Supply-Side Tax Cuts and the Truth about the Reagan Economic Record)​

Economist Dr. William Niskanen:

Real GDP per working-age adult, which had increased at only a 0.8 annual rate during the Carter administration, increased at a 1.8 percent rate during the Reagan administration. The increase in productivity growth was even higher: output per hour in the business sector, which had been roughly constant in the Carter years, increased at a 1.4 percent rate in the Reagan years. Productivity in the manufacturing sector increased at a 3.8 percent annual rate, a record for peacetime.

Most other economic conditions also improved. The unemployment rate declined from 7.0 percent in 1980 to 5.4 percent in 1988. The inflation rate declined from 10.4 percent in 1980 to 4.2 percent in 1988. (Reaganomics, by William A. Niskanen: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty)​

Again, for more information on these issues, see:

Setting the Record Straight About the Bush and Reagan Tax Cuts
The Facts About Tax Cuts, Revenue, and Growth (new edition)

Anytime you see a right winger use an article that starts off with:
Liberal newspapers, magazines, and TV “news programs” continue to spread

You know you are in for a ton of bullsh!t. And this time was no different.

We know what happened. It wasn't that long ago.

Maybe the first time voters can be tricked, but not the adults.
 
Well, isn't it interesting that there are no replies, much less admissions of error, from the liberals who have been repeating these myths about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts for the last two weeks in several threads? Where are they?

You want us to repost all the demolitions of your nonsense that you put in your last thread on this same exact topic?

This is your standard line for any facts you can't handle. I've lost count of how many times you've announced that this or that point has been "demolished," "destroyed," etc., etc., when in fact you did nothing of the kind. I'll tell you what: Rather than repost your supposed "demolitions," why don't you deal with the facts in my OP? Hey?

Or, heck, if your supposed "demolitions" address and refute the facts in my OP, by all means repost them.

After seeing the liberal myths about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts endlessly repeated in several threads for the last two weeks, it is rather amazing that you guys have declined to take on the facts presented in the OP that debunk those myths.
 
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This is all really much simpler, it can all be explained simply by looking at Kansas.
The current GOP policies are much different than Reagans, even a Reagan insider points it out.
But ultimately, as referred to by the institute named after the economist you mentioned William Niskanen: the system is rigged for the rich.

No honest discussion about tax cuts or economic policy can avoid the issue of growing inequality.
Healthcare reform and a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage!
 
Well, isn't it interesting that there are no replies, much less admissions of error, from the liberals who have been repeating these myths about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts for the last two weeks in several threads? Where are they?

You want us to repost all the demolitions of your nonsense that you put in your last thread on this same exact topic?

Yeah, let's see those "demolitions" that address, not to mention refute, the facts in my OP. Your "demolitions" usually consist of you repeating liberal myths and then declaring yourself the winner. But, yeah, let's see those "demolitions."

Still waiting. . . .
 
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Well, isn't it interesting that there are no replies, much less admissions of error, from the liberals who have been repeating these myths about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts for the last two weeks in several threads? Where are they?

You want us to repost all the demolitions of your nonsense that you put in your last thread on this same exact topic?

Yeah, let's see those "demolitions" that address, not to mention refute, the facts in my OP. Your "demolitions" usually consist of you repeating liberal myths and then declaring yourself the winner. But, yeah, let's see those "demolitions."

Still waiting. . . .
We have debt; if--right wing--tax cuts worked to generate more revenue, increased spending should not matter. it does, and the right wing can't fix it without structural improvements to their ideology.
 
Well, isn't it interesting that there are no replies, much less admissions of error, from the liberals who have been repeating these myths about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts for the last two weeks in several threads? Where are they?

You want us to repost all the demolitions of your nonsense that you put in your last thread on this same exact topic?
I want to see you refute this thread. If you got differing facts share them.
 
Let’s get some facts straight. Predictably, liberals are repeating all kinds of myths and distortions about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts in their baffling effort to ignore the numerous positive aspects of the Trump tax cuts. Of course, our resident liberals are saying next to nothing about the Harding, JFK, and Clinton tax cuts, all of which were followed by sizable increases in federal revenue (and did not result in increased deficits and debt). Anyway, here are some bullet points to refute the liberal falsehoods and distortions that we have been seeing in this forum for the last two weeks (I expand on these points in an article I just web-published: Setting the Record Straight About the Bush and Reagan Tax Cuts).

Bush

* The Bush tax cuts came in two bills, the first signed in June 2001 and the second signed in May 2003. The 2001 bill reduced personal income taxes—however, these cuts were to be phased in over eight years and were not to be fully implemented until 2009.

* The 2003 bill accelerated the personal income tax cuts in the 2001 bill and added several business tax cuts. So by the end of 2002, only a fraction of the Bush personal income tax cuts had taken affect, and the business tax cuts had not yet been passed. Thus, we cannot judge the Bush tax cuts by federal revenue in 2001 and 2002.

* The Bush tax cuts—personal and business—really began in 2003 with the passage of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act (JGTRRA) in May 2003. As mentioned, the 2003 bill accelerated the personal income tax cuts in the 2001 bill. Financial expert Kimberly Amadeo explains some of the positive impacts of the JGTRRA:

JGTRRA helped the economy out of recession by putting more dollars into the pockets of businesses and investors, and ultimately consumers. It encouraged investment in the stock market by decreasing capital gains and dividend taxes.

By reducing the cost of buying stocks, JGTRRA made them more attractive than bonds. That put $9.2 billion more into the pockets of stockholders in just the first year.

As dividend-paying stocks become more popular, companies issue more of them instead of bonds. Their financing became more reliant on bonds than stocks. That helps companies in a downturn because they are less likely to default on bond payments, which are fixed. It reduces the risk of corporate bankruptcies.

JGTRRA also encouraged companies to increase dividend payment. More than 200 companies, most notably Target, Citigroup, and Walgreen, announced dividend increases by July 2003.

Many companies, most notably Microsoft, started issuing dividends for the first time. Much of executive compensation is paid in stocks and stock options. This form of payment became even more popular when the tax burden on dividends was lessened for high-income earners.

As a result of JGTRRA, total dividend payments increased 20 percent from 2003 - 2012. For the previous 20 years, they had declined. (JGTRRA: The Tax Cut to Help Wall Street After 9/11)​

* Federal revenue rose substantially after the 2003 tax cuts, going from $1.78 trillion to $2.56 trillion from 2003 to 2007, an increase of 43%.

* Total federal revenue for 2008 dropped slightly, down to $2.52 trillion, because a recession started that year, but revenue was still substantially higher than it was in 2003 or 2004.

* During the same period, 2003-2007, personal income tax revenue rose dramatically, going from $925 billion in 2003 to $1.53 trillion in 2007.

* Even in 2009, when the recession neared depression territory and remained severe throughout the year, total federal revenue was $2.10 trillion, which, even adjusted for inflation, was very close to total federal revenue for the boom years of 2005 and 2006.

* If Congress had not gone on a reckless spending spree, we would have kept the budget balanced and continued to pay down the debt.

Reagan

* Reagan did in fact agree to four tax hikes, in 1982, 1983, 1984, and 1986. The 1983 “tax increase” was an increase in the payroll tax (i.e., the Social Security tax) that was part of a bipartisan bill to keep SS solvent. It seems a bit unfair to call this a “tax hike” when it was really just increasing the amount that taxpayers had to contribute to a fund from which they would later draw. The 1982, 1984, and 1986 tax hikes involved business taxes, tax loopholes, and the capital gains tax. Those tax hikes did not affect personal income tax rates, and Reagan cut taxes again in 1986.

* Reagan slashed personal income tax rates and the capital gains tax rate for individuals. My article includes tax tables from tax years 1980 and 1988 so that anyone can look and see for themselves just how much Reagan cut income tax rates.

* Federal revenue rose substantially after the Reagan tax cuts. Revenue rose by over 50% from 1983 to 1988, going from $326 billion to $549 billion. In 1989, the last year that a Reagan budget was in operation, revenue rose a whopping $53 billion, an increase of 10% from the previous year.

* But those huge boosts in revenue were more than offset by staggering spending hikes passed by Congress year after year. The Democrats started bundling spending bills into one giant omnibus spending bill, which left Reagan with two choices: sign them or shut down the government. If the government had restrained spending, the deficit would have been reduced, and the budget could have been balanced by 1986 or 1987.

* Economists William Niskanen and Stephen Moore on the impact of Reagan’s economic policies:

Real economic growth averaged 3.2 percent during the Reagan years versus 2.8 percent during the Ford-Carter years and 2.1 percent during the Bush-Clinton years.

Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.

Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency. (Supply-Side Tax Cuts and the Truth about the Reagan Economic Record)​

Economist Dr. William Niskanen:

Real GDP per working-age adult, which had increased at only a 0.8 annual rate during the Carter administration, increased at a 1.8 percent rate during the Reagan administration. The increase in productivity growth was even higher: output per hour in the business sector, which had been roughly constant in the Carter years, increased at a 1.4 percent rate in the Reagan years. Productivity in the manufacturing sector increased at a 3.8 percent annual rate, a record for peacetime.

Most other economic conditions also improved. The unemployment rate declined from 7.0 percent in 1980 to 5.4 percent in 1988. The inflation rate declined from 10.4 percent in 1980 to 4.2 percent in 1988. (Reaganomics, by William A. Niskanen: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty)​

Again, for more information on these issues, see:

Setting the Record Straight About the Bush and Reagan Tax Cuts
The Facts About Tax Cuts, Revenue, and Growth (new edition)
The only opinions that count are the American people and they resoundingly hate the tax scam law by a 2-1 margin. They see it was a huge giveaway by the pussygrabber to his 1% friends. He even told them last week,” I just made you a LOT richer.”
But all the middle class got was crumbs. You’ve been duped again by your carnival barker and you don’t even see it.
 
Let’s get some facts straight. Predictably, liberals are repeating all kinds of myths and distortions about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts in their baffling effort to ignore the numerous positive aspects of the Trump tax cuts. Of course, our resident liberals are saying next to nothing about the Harding, JFK, and Clinton tax cuts, all of which were followed by sizable increases in federal revenue (and did not result in increased deficits and debt). Anyway, here are some bullet points to refute the liberal falsehoods and distortions that we have been seeing in this forum for the last two weeks (I expand on these points in an article I just web-published: Setting the Record Straight About the Bush and Reagan Tax Cuts).

Bush

* The Bush tax cuts came in two bills, the first signed in June 2001 and the second signed in May 2003. The 2001 bill reduced personal income taxes—however, these cuts were to be phased in over eight years and were not to be fully implemented until 2009.

* The 2003 bill accelerated the personal income tax cuts in the 2001 bill and added several business tax cuts. So by the end of 2002, only a fraction of the Bush personal income tax cuts had taken affect, and the business tax cuts had not yet been passed. Thus, we cannot judge the Bush tax cuts by federal revenue in 2001 and 2002.

* The Bush tax cuts—personal and business—really began in 2003 with the passage of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act (JGTRRA) in May 2003. As mentioned, the 2003 bill accelerated the personal income tax cuts in the 2001 bill. Financial expert Kimberly Amadeo explains some of the positive impacts of the JGTRRA:

JGTRRA helped the economy out of recession by putting more dollars into the pockets of businesses and investors, and ultimately consumers. It encouraged investment in the stock market by decreasing capital gains and dividend taxes.

By reducing the cost of buying stocks, JGTRRA made them more attractive than bonds. That put $9.2 billion more into the pockets of stockholders in just the first year.

As dividend-paying stocks become more popular, companies issue more of them instead of bonds. Their financing became more reliant on bonds than stocks. That helps companies in a downturn because they are less likely to default on bond payments, which are fixed. It reduces the risk of corporate bankruptcies.

JGTRRA also encouraged companies to increase dividend payment. More than 200 companies, most notably Target, Citigroup, and Walgreen, announced dividend increases by July 2003.

Many companies, most notably Microsoft, started issuing dividends for the first time. Much of executive compensation is paid in stocks and stock options. This form of payment became even more popular when the tax burden on dividends was lessened for high-income earners.

As a result of JGTRRA, total dividend payments increased 20 percent from 2003 - 2012. For the previous 20 years, they had declined. (JGTRRA: The Tax Cut to Help Wall Street After 9/11)​

* Federal revenue rose substantially after the 2003 tax cuts, going from $1.78 trillion to $2.56 trillion from 2003 to 2007, an increase of 43%.

* Total federal revenue for 2008 dropped slightly, down to $2.52 trillion, because a recession started that year, but revenue was still substantially higher than it was in 2003 or 2004.

* During the same period, 2003-2007, personal income tax revenue rose dramatically, going from $925 billion in 2003 to $1.53 trillion in 2007.

* Even in 2009, when the recession neared depression territory and remained severe throughout the year, total federal revenue was $2.10 trillion, which, even adjusted for inflation, was very close to total federal revenue for the boom years of 2005 and 2006.

* If Congress had not gone on a reckless spending spree, we would have kept the budget balanced and continued to pay down the debt.

Reagan

* Reagan did in fact agree to four tax hikes, in 1982, 1983, 1984, and 1986. The 1983 “tax increase” was an increase in the payroll tax (i.e., the Social Security tax) that was part of a bipartisan bill to keep SS solvent. It seems a bit unfair to call this a “tax hike” when it was really just increasing the amount that taxpayers had to contribute to a fund from which they would later draw. The 1982, 1984, and 1986 tax hikes involved business taxes, tax loopholes, and the capital gains tax. Those tax hikes did not affect personal income tax rates, and Reagan cut taxes again in 1986.

* Reagan slashed personal income tax rates and the capital gains tax rate for individuals. My article includes tax tables from tax years 1980 and 1988 so that anyone can look and see for themselves just how much Reagan cut income tax rates.

* Federal revenue rose substantially after the Reagan tax cuts. Revenue rose by over 50% from 1983 to 1988, going from $326 billion to $549 billion. In 1989, the last year that a Reagan budget was in operation, revenue rose a whopping $53 billion, an increase of 10% from the previous year.

* But those huge boosts in revenue were more than offset by staggering spending hikes passed by Congress year after year. The Democrats started bundling spending bills into one giant omnibus spending bill, which left Reagan with two choices: sign them or shut down the government. If the government had restrained spending, the deficit would have been reduced, and the budget could have been balanced by 1986 or 1987.

* Economists William Niskanen and Stephen Moore on the impact of Reagan’s economic policies:

Real economic growth averaged 3.2 percent during the Reagan years versus 2.8 percent during the Ford-Carter years and 2.1 percent during the Bush-Clinton years.

Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.

Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency. (Supply-Side Tax Cuts and the Truth about the Reagan Economic Record)​

Economist Dr. William Niskanen:

Real GDP per working-age adult, which had increased at only a 0.8 annual rate during the Carter administration, increased at a 1.8 percent rate during the Reagan administration. The increase in productivity growth was even higher: output per hour in the business sector, which had been roughly constant in the Carter years, increased at a 1.4 percent rate in the Reagan years. Productivity in the manufacturing sector increased at a 3.8 percent annual rate, a record for peacetime.

Most other economic conditions also improved. The unemployment rate declined from 7.0 percent in 1980 to 5.4 percent in 1988. The inflation rate declined from 10.4 percent in 1980 to 4.2 percent in 1988. (Reaganomics, by William A. Niskanen: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty)​

Again, for more information on these issues, see:

Setting the Record Straight About the Bush and Reagan Tax Cuts
The Facts About Tax Cuts, Revenue, and Growth (new edition)
The only opinions that count are the American people and they resoundingly hate the tax scam law by a 2-1 margin. They see it was a huge giveaway by the pussygrabber to his 1% friends. He even told them last week,” I just made you a LOT richer.”
But all the middle class got was crumbs. You’ve been duped again by your carnival barker and you don’t even see it.
And I bet the "people" don't even know what's actually in the bill or how it will affect them personally by a 3 to 1 margin.

Our media is not honest enough for them to be fully informed.
 
$1.5 trillion added to the debt!
What a great victory ( to no one)

The money wasted on padding the pockets of people who don’t need it could have been spent on infrastructure, education, lunch programs, free day care etc.

Typical republicans. Always taking care of the rich and sticking it to the poor and middle class.

The Dems 2018 ads will write themselves since this scam is historically unpopular but the traitors passed it anyway.
 
$1.5 trillion added to the debt!
What a great victory ( to no one)

The money wasted on padding the pockets of people who don’t need it could have been spent on infrastructure, education, lunch programs, free day care etc.

Typical republicans. Always taking care of the rich and sticking it to the poor and middle class.

The Dems 2018 ads will write themselves since this scam is historically unpopular but the traitors passed it anyway.
You realize that is a projection right?
Projections =/= fact and are often way off the mark.
 
Let’s get some facts straight. Predictably, liberals are repeating all kinds of myths and distortions about the Bush and Reagan tax cuts in their baffling effort to ignore the numerous positive aspects of the Trump tax cuts. Of course, our resident liberals are saying next to nothing about the Harding, JFK, and Clinton tax cuts, all of which were followed by sizable increases in federal revenue (and did not result in increased deficits and debt). Anyway, here are some bullet points to refute the liberal falsehoods and distortions that we have been seeing in this forum for the last two weeks (I expand on these points in an article I just web-published: Setting the Record Straight About the Bush and Reagan Tax Cuts).

Bush

* The Bush tax cuts came in two bills, the first signed in June 2001 and the second signed in May 2003. The 2001 bill reduced personal income taxes—however, these cuts were to be phased in over eight years and were not to be fully implemented until 2009.

* The 2003 bill accelerated the personal income tax cuts in the 2001 bill and added several business tax cuts. So by the end of 2002, only a fraction of the Bush personal income tax cuts had taken affect, and the business tax cuts had not yet been passed. Thus, we cannot judge the Bush tax cuts by federal revenue in 2001 and 2002.

* The Bush tax cuts—personal and business—really began in 2003 with the passage of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act (JGTRRA) in May 2003. As mentioned, the 2003 bill accelerated the personal income tax cuts in the 2001 bill. Financial expert Kimberly Amadeo explains some of the positive impacts of the JGTRRA:

JGTRRA helped the economy out of recession by putting more dollars into the pockets of businesses and investors, and ultimately consumers. It encouraged investment in the stock market by decreasing capital gains and dividend taxes.

By reducing the cost of buying stocks, JGTRRA made them more attractive than bonds. That put $9.2 billion more into the pockets of stockholders in just the first year.

As dividend-paying stocks become more popular, companies issue more of them instead of bonds. Their financing became more reliant on bonds than stocks. That helps companies in a downturn because they are less likely to default on bond payments, which are fixed. It reduces the risk of corporate bankruptcies.

JGTRRA also encouraged companies to increase dividend payment. More than 200 companies, most notably Target, Citigroup, and Walgreen, announced dividend increases by July 2003.

Many companies, most notably Microsoft, started issuing dividends for the first time. Much of executive compensation is paid in stocks and stock options. This form of payment became even more popular when the tax burden on dividends was lessened for high-income earners.

As a result of JGTRRA, total dividend payments increased 20 percent from 2003 - 2012. For the previous 20 years, they had declined. (JGTRRA: The Tax Cut to Help Wall Street After 9/11)​

* Federal revenue rose substantially after the 2003 tax cuts, going from $1.78 trillion to $2.56 trillion from 2003 to 2007, an increase of 43%.

* Total federal revenue for 2008 dropped slightly, down to $2.52 trillion, because a recession started that year, but revenue was still substantially higher than it was in 2003 or 2004.

* During the same period, 2003-2007, personal income tax revenue rose dramatically, going from $925 billion in 2003 to $1.53 trillion in 2007.

* Even in 2009, when the recession neared depression territory and remained severe throughout the year, total federal revenue was $2.10 trillion, which, even adjusted for inflation, was very close to total federal revenue for the boom years of 2005 and 2006.

* If Congress had not gone on a reckless spending spree, we would have kept the budget balanced and continued to pay down the debt.

Reagan

* Reagan did in fact agree to four tax hikes, in 1982, 1983, 1984, and 1986. The 1983 “tax increase” was an increase in the payroll tax (i.e., the Social Security tax) that was part of a bipartisan bill to keep SS solvent. It seems a bit unfair to call this a “tax hike” when it was really just increasing the amount that taxpayers had to contribute to a fund from which they would later draw. The 1982, 1984, and 1986 tax hikes involved business taxes, tax loopholes, and the capital gains tax. Those tax hikes did not affect personal income tax rates, and Reagan cut taxes again in 1986.

* Reagan slashed personal income tax rates and the capital gains tax rate for individuals. My article includes tax tables from tax years 1980 and 1988 so that anyone can look and see for themselves just how much Reagan cut income tax rates.

* Federal revenue rose substantially after the Reagan tax cuts. Revenue rose by over 50% from 1983 to 1988, going from $326 billion to $549 billion. In 1989, the last year that a Reagan budget was in operation, revenue rose a whopping $53 billion, an increase of 10% from the previous year.

* But those huge boosts in revenue were more than offset by staggering spending hikes passed by Congress year after year. The Democrats started bundling spending bills into one giant omnibus spending bill, which left Reagan with two choices: sign them or shut down the government. If the government had restrained spending, the deficit would have been reduced, and the budget could have been balanced by 1986 or 1987.

* Economists William Niskanen and Stephen Moore on the impact of Reagan’s economic policies:

Real economic growth averaged 3.2 percent during the Reagan years versus 2.8 percent during the Ford-Carter years and 2.1 percent during the Bush-Clinton years.

Real median family income grew by $4,000 during the Reagan period after experiencing no growth in the pre-Reagan years; it experienced a loss of almost $1,500 in the post-Reagan years.

Interest rates, inflation, and unemployment fell faster under Reagan than they did immediately before or after his presidency. (Supply-Side Tax Cuts and the Truth about the Reagan Economic Record)​

Economist Dr. William Niskanen:

Real GDP per working-age adult, which had increased at only a 0.8 annual rate during the Carter administration, increased at a 1.8 percent rate during the Reagan administration. The increase in productivity growth was even higher: output per hour in the business sector, which had been roughly constant in the Carter years, increased at a 1.4 percent rate in the Reagan years. Productivity in the manufacturing sector increased at a 3.8 percent annual rate, a record for peacetime.

Most other economic conditions also improved. The unemployment rate declined from 7.0 percent in 1980 to 5.4 percent in 1988. The inflation rate declined from 10.4 percent in 1980 to 4.2 percent in 1988. (Reaganomics, by William A. Niskanen: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty)​

Again, for more information on these issues, see:

Setting the Record Straight About the Bush and Reagan Tax Cuts
The Facts About Tax Cuts, Revenue, and Growth (new edition)
The only opinions that count are the American people and they resoundingly hate the tax scam law by a 2-1 margin. They see it was a huge giveaway by the pussygrabber to his 1% friends. He even told them last week,” I just made you a LOT richer.”
But all the middle class got was crumbs. You’ve been duped again by your carnival barker and you don’t even see it.
And I bet the "people" don't even know what's actually in the bill or how it will affect them personally by a 3 to 1 margin.

Our media is not honest enough for them to be fully informed.
You’re a liar. We all know that. Independent studies have been done which is what I reported.
You believe trump and the republicans.
Nuff said.
 
$1.5 trillion added to the debt!
What a great victory ( to no one)

The money wasted on padding the pockets of people who don’t need it could have been spent on infrastructure, education, lunch programs, free day care etc.

Typical republicans. Always taking care of the rich and sticking it to the poor and middle class.

The Dems 2018 ads will write themselves since this scam is historically unpopular but the traitors passed it anyway.
You realize that is a projection right?
Projections =/= fact and are often way off the mark.
And you judge this scam will be a huge success based on what exactly?
 

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