Record deficit

[DiveCon]

Democrats probably would have raised taxes if they controlled the budget. Chimpy's veto power overruled them. The Democrats did not have a veto proof majority. Thus they had to compromise on the budget enough to get Chimpy to sign. Otherwise, no budget.

Bullshit.

It's true, believe or not. The President can veto a budget passed by Congress and it doesn't become law.



Do you know what a veto is? A budget doesn't pass if the President vetos. Let me know if you haven't heard about it -- it's somewhere in the constitution.

If he veoted, Chimptoid would have taken 100% of teh blame.

Why? Clinton used his veto power very effectively in just this way. Why do you think no major tax cut was passed until Bush took office? VETO

Dems have nobody but themselves to blame for the mess BO has increased.

Change increased to "inherited" and you'd have it right.

still lying

 

[Iriemon]

Bullshit.

It's true, believe or not. The President can veto a budget passed by Congress and it doesn't become law.



Do you know what a veto is? A budget doesn't pass if the President vetos. Let me know if you haven't heard about it -- it's somewhere in the constitution.



Why? Clinton used his veto power very effectively in just this way. Why do you think no major tax cut was passed until Bush took office? VETO

Dems have nobody but themselves to blame for the mess BO has increased.

Change increased to "inherited" and you'd have it right.

still lying

~ sniffs bait, swims away ~

Fish aren't biting today.

 

[DiveCon]

It's true, believe or not. The President can veto a budget passed by Congress and it doesn't become law.



Do you know what a veto is? A budget doesn't pass if the President vetos. Let me know if you haven't heard about it -- it's somewhere in the constitution.



Why? Clinton used his veto power very effectively in just this way. Why do you think no major tax cut was passed until Bush took office? VETO



Change increased to "inherited" and you'd have it right.

still lying

~ sniffs bait, swims away ~

Fish aren't biting today.

yup, still lying

by responding, you took the bait

 

[Iriemon]

still lying

~ sniffs bait, swims away ~

Fish aren't biting today.

yup, still lying

by responding, you took the bait

Gosh, that *is* funny.

 

[wihosa]

It's funny how the righties don't even know why the deficit is so high under Obama. The budget he inherited from Bush was a big fat lie, just like everything else that came out of the Bush admin. All Obama did was to include everything in the budget, like the two wars Bush started. No more pretending that the spending for the wars was an "emergency" which we could not budget for. All this deficit spending was happening under Bush, he just wasn't showing it in the budget.

Righties are so easily fooled!

 

[DiveCon]

It's funny how the righties don't even know why the deficit is so high under Obama. The budget he inherited from Bush was a big fat lie, just like everything else that came out of the Bush admin. All Obama did was to include everything in the budget, like the two wars Bush started. No more pretending that the spending for the wars was an "emergency" which we could not budget for. All this deficit spending was happening under Bush, he just wasn't showing it in the budget.

Righties are so easily fooled!

as was the budget Bush got from Clinton
when will you get your head out of your ass and start to see the truth

 

[wihosa]

It's funny how the righties don't even know why the deficit is so high under Obama. The budget he inherited from Bush was a big fat lie, just like everything else that came out of the Bush admin. All Obama did was to include everything in the budget, like the two wars Bush started. No more pretending that the spending for the wars was an "emergency" which we could not budget for. All this deficit spending was happening under Bush, he just wasn't showing it in the budget.

Righties are so easily fooled!

as was the budget Bush got from Clinton
when will you get your head out of your ass and start to see the truth

Clinton's last budget was the first to be in balance since the arrival of Reagan, and by the way, he wasn't fighting wars off budget.

 

[DiamondDave]

It's funny how the righties don't even know why the deficit is so high under Obama. The budget he inherited from Bush was a big fat lie, just like everything else that came out of the Bush admin. All Obama did was to include everything in the budget, like the two wars Bush started. No more pretending that the spending for the wars was an "emergency" which we could not budget for. All this deficit spending was happening under Bush, he just wasn't showing it in the budget.

Righties are so easily fooled!

as was the budget Bush got from Clinton
when will you get your head out of your ass and start to see the truth

Clinton's last budget was the first to be in balance since the arrival of Reagan, and by the way, he wasn't fighting wars off budget.

Already debunked

Nice try

Try looking at his off budget spending, his intergovernmental spending and his intergovernmental 'borrowing' from trust funds that were used to hide his crap...

 

[Iriemon]

It's funny how the righties don't even know why the deficit is so high under Obama. The budget he inherited from Bush was a big fat lie, just like everything else that came out of the Bush admin. All Obama did was to include everything in the budget, like the two wars Bush started. No more pretending that the spending for the wars was an "emergency" which we could not budget for. All this deficit spending was happening under Bush, he just wasn't showing it in the budget.

Righties are so easily fooled!

as was the budget Bush got from Clinton
when will you get your head out of your ass and start to see the truth

Clinton's last budget was the first to be in balance since the arrival of Reagan, and by the way, he wasn't fighting wars off budget.

It was a surplus budget actually. Links to Govt sources showing that here: http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...ng-the-clinton-administration-was-a-myth.html

 

[wihosa]

as was the budget Bush got from Clinton
when will you get your head out of your ass and start to see the truth

Clinton's last budget was the first to be in balance since the arrival of Reagan, and by the way, he wasn't fighting wars off budget.

It was a surplus budget actually. Links to Govt sources showing that here: http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...ng-the-clinton-administration-was-a-myth.html

No matter Iremon, the sky is not blue, the sun is not hot, pouring water into someone's nose who is strapped to a board is not torture and there was no surplus under Clinton.

Faithbased believers don't need facts, they just need to believe!

 

[DiamondDave]

And Iremon already claiming his crap.. although it has been shown, even clear to the end of that thread, and numerous times, that his surplus myth is shot out of the water... the who picture for surplus/deficit does not stop with the reported budget.... when looking at the whole picture of budget, off budget spending, intergovernmental spending, and additional intergovernmental 'borrowing' from trust funds.. it is shown CONCLUSIVELY that there was no surplus in any fiscal year during Clinton's 8 years in in office


P-E-R-I-O-D

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...bt_ann2000.pdf
http://fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0900.pdf

09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 * 1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 * 1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 * 1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 * 1,142,034,000,000.00
09/30/1981 * 997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1980 * 907,701,000,000.00
09/30/1979 * 826,519,000,000.00
09/30/1978 * 771,544,000,000.00
09/30/1977 * 698,840,000,000.00
06/30/1976 * 620,433,000,000.00
06/30/1975 * 533,189,000,000.00
06/30/1974 475,059,815,731.55
06/30/1973 458,141,605,312.09
06/30/1972 427,260,460,940.50
06/30/1971 398,129,744,455.54
06/30/1970 370,918,706,949.93
06/30/1969 353,720,253,841.41
06/30/1968 347,578,406,425.88
06/30/1967 326,220,937,794.54
06/30/1966 319,907,087,795.48
06/30/1965 317,273,898,983.64
06/30/1964 311,712,899,257.30
06/30/1963 305,859,632,996.41
06/30/1962 298,200,822,720.87
06/30/1961 288,970,938,610.05
06/30/1960 286,330,760,848.37
06/30/1959 284,705,907,078.22
06/30/1958 276,343,217,745.81
06/30/1957 270,527,171,896.43
06/30/1956 272,750,813,649.32
06/30/1955 274,374,222,802.62
06/30/1954 271,259,599,108.46
06/30/1953 266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 257,357,352,351.04

No surplus since 1957.. PERIOD

and that is not from any blog... it is DIRECT from the COMPLETE and ACTUAL numbers.... including debt and intergovernmental spending....

And it is linked HERE
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

 

[Iriemon]

And Iremon already claiming his crap.. although it has been shown, even clear to the end of that thread, and numerous times, that his surplus myth is shot out of the water... the who picture for surplus/deficit does not stop with the reported budget.... when looking at the whole picture of budget, off budget spending, intergovernmental spending, and additional intergovernmental 'borrowing' from trust funds.. it is shown CONCLUSIVELY that there was no surplus in any fiscal year during Clinton's 8 years in in office


P-E-R-I-O-D

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...bt_ann2000.pdf
http://fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0900.pdf

09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 * 1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 * 1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 * 1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 * 1,142,034,000,000.00
09/30/1981 * 997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1980 * 907,701,000,000.00
09/30/1979 * 826,519,000,000.00
09/30/1978 * 771,544,000,000.00
09/30/1977 * 698,840,000,000.00
06/30/1976 * 620,433,000,000.00
06/30/1975 * 533,189,000,000.00
06/30/1974 475,059,815,731.55
06/30/1973 458,141,605,312.09
06/30/1972 427,260,460,940.50
06/30/1971 398,129,744,455.54
06/30/1970 370,918,706,949.93
06/30/1969 353,720,253,841.41
06/30/1968 347,578,406,425.88
06/30/1967 326,220,937,794.54
06/30/1966 319,907,087,795.48
06/30/1965 317,273,898,983.64
06/30/1964 311,712,899,257.30
06/30/1963 305,859,632,996.41
06/30/1962 298,200,822,720.87
06/30/1961 288,970,938,610.05
06/30/1960 286,330,760,848.37
06/30/1959 284,705,907,078.22
06/30/1958 276,343,217,745.81
06/30/1957 270,527,171,896.43
06/30/1956 272,750,813,649.32
06/30/1955 274,374,222,802.62
06/30/1954 271,259,599,108.46
06/30/1953 266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 257,357,352,351.04

No surplus since 1957.. PERIOD

and that is not from any blog... it is DIRECT from the COMPLETE and ACTUAL numbers.... including debt and intergovernmental spending....

And it is linked HERE
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

That's debt, not budgets. And anyone who goes to the website DD cites will see nothing about deficits or surpluses. Because that is not a website having to do with the budget.

But anyone who is interested in the budget surplus under Clinton can see the links in the thread I cited. There are links to the Congressional Budget Office which explicitly show surplus and deficits. As well as links to the Treasury Department showing that the debt did go down by $114 billion in the year ending 12/31/00, Clinton's last year.

 

[DiveCon]

And Iremon already claiming his crap.. although it has been shown, even clear to the end of that thread, and numerous times, that his surplus myth is shot out of the water... the who picture for surplus/deficit does not stop with the reported budget.... when looking at the whole picture of budget, off budget spending, intergovernmental spending, and additional intergovernmental 'borrowing' from trust funds.. it is shown CONCLUSIVELY that there was no surplus in any fiscal year during Clinton's 8 years in in office


P-E-R-I-O-D

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...bt_ann2000.pdf
http://fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0900.pdf

09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 * 1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 * 1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 * 1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 * 1,142,034,000,000.00
09/30/1981 * 997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1980 * 907,701,000,000.00
09/30/1979 * 826,519,000,000.00
09/30/1978 * 771,544,000,000.00
09/30/1977 * 698,840,000,000.00
06/30/1976 * 620,433,000,000.00
06/30/1975 * 533,189,000,000.00
06/30/1974 475,059,815,731.55
06/30/1973 458,141,605,312.09
06/30/1972 427,260,460,940.50
06/30/1971 398,129,744,455.54
06/30/1970 370,918,706,949.93
06/30/1969 353,720,253,841.41
06/30/1968 347,578,406,425.88
06/30/1967 326,220,937,794.54
06/30/1966 319,907,087,795.48
06/30/1965 317,273,898,983.64
06/30/1964 311,712,899,257.30
06/30/1963 305,859,632,996.41
06/30/1962 298,200,822,720.87
06/30/1961 288,970,938,610.05
06/30/1960 286,330,760,848.37
06/30/1959 284,705,907,078.22
06/30/1958 276,343,217,745.81
06/30/1957 270,527,171,896.43
06/30/1956 272,750,813,649.32
06/30/1955 274,374,222,802.62
06/30/1954 271,259,599,108.46
06/30/1953 266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 257,357,352,351.04

No surplus since 1957.. PERIOD

and that is not from any blog... it is DIRECT from the COMPLETE and ACTUAL numbers.... including debt and intergovernmental spending....

And it is linked HERE
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

That's debt, not budgets. And anyone who goes to the website DD cites will see nothing about deficits or surpluses. Because that is not a website having to do with the budget.

But anyone who is interested in the budget surplus under Clinton can see the links in the thread I cited. There are links to the Congressional Budget Office which explicitly show surplus and deficits. As well as links to the Treasury Department showing that the debt did go down by $114 billion in the year ending 12/31/00, Clinton's last year.

you dumb fuck
Clinton cooked the books to make it LOOK like he had a balanced budget
the DEBT continued to INCREASE


if the debt increased from year to year, there was NO SURPLUS
no matter how many times you used cooked books to show there was, there wasnt

 

[DiveCon]

And Iremon already claiming his crap.. although it has been shown, even clear to the end of that thread, and numerous times, that his surplus myth is shot out of the water... the who picture for surplus/deficit does not stop with the reported budget.... when looking at the whole picture of budget, off budget spending, intergovernmental spending, and additional intergovernmental 'borrowing' from trust funds.. it is shown CONCLUSIVELY that there was no surplus in any fiscal year during Clinton's 8 years in in office


P-E-R-I-O-D

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...bt_ann2000.pdf
http://fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0900.pdf

09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 * 1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 * 1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 * 1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 * 1,142,034,000,000.00
09/30/1981 * 997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1980 * 907,701,000,000.00
09/30/1979 * 826,519,000,000.00
09/30/1978 * 771,544,000,000.00
09/30/1977 * 698,840,000,000.00
06/30/1976 * 620,433,000,000.00
06/30/1975 * 533,189,000,000.00
06/30/1974 475,059,815,731.55
06/30/1973 458,141,605,312.09
06/30/1972 427,260,460,940.50
06/30/1971 398,129,744,455.54
06/30/1970 370,918,706,949.93
06/30/1969 353,720,253,841.41
06/30/1968 347,578,406,425.88
06/30/1967 326,220,937,794.54
06/30/1966 319,907,087,795.48
06/30/1965 317,273,898,983.64
06/30/1964 311,712,899,257.30
06/30/1963 305,859,632,996.41
06/30/1962 298,200,822,720.87
06/30/1961 288,970,938,610.05
06/30/1960 286,330,760,848.37
06/30/1959 284,705,907,078.22
06/30/1958 276,343,217,745.81
06/30/1957 270,527,171,896.43
06/30/1956 272,750,813,649.32
06/30/1955 274,374,222,802.62
06/30/1954 271,259,599,108.46
06/30/1953 266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 257,357,352,351.04

No surplus since 1957.. PERIOD

and that is not from any blog... it is DIRECT from the COMPLETE and ACTUAL numbers.... including debt and intergovernmental spending....

And it is linked HERE
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

That's debt, not budgets. And anyone who goes to the website DD cites will see nothing about deficits or surpluses. Because that is not a website having to do with the budget.

But anyone who is interested in the budget surplus under Clinton can see the links in the thread I cited. There are links to the Congressional Budget Office which explicitly show surplus and deficits. As well as links to the Treasury Department showing that the debt did go down by $114 billion in the year ending 12/31/00, Clinton's last year.

btw, fiscal years is NOT calendar year

 

[DiveCon]

ah, i see dumb fuck irie deleted his stupid assed post


and btw asshole, congress was all for cooking those books too
it made THEM look better too

when are you going to get it through your thick fucking head, BOTH the Dems and GOP have been lying to us for YEARS

 

[DiamondDave]

Yes.. deep down the fucker knows he has been caught in his partisan lie

He tries to use twists and turns to justify.. and omissions to back himself up

The fact is that the govt does not just run on the budget... loves to leave out a simple little tidbit like Clinton claiming the proceeds from SS into his assessment of 'surplus'.. as a positive to his budget... the liar iriefag likes to scratch the surface and pick his stats, because the whole story tells a completely different tale

It would be like us saying we were cutting our budget so that we had 100 dollars left in the black at the end of our tax year, when in actuality we borrowed from family and spent that borrowing on the other things we wanted.. all the while knowing that we did truly spend more than our income, in reality putting us in a true deficit

 

[sealybobo]

Ohh look, Obama's Budget this year and all the nail outs means this year the deficit will be 4 TIMES last years. 50 cents on every dollar spent will be deficit spending.

White House: Budget deficit to top $1.8 trillion

Yup remind us again how bad Bush was?

The Fed spent $9 trillion in Bush's last 4 months and they didn't ask Congress for approval.

So the debt doubled in just 4 months under Bush. But you aren't counting that against his "deficit".

I doubt you have a clue what is really going on.

The fed cannot account for the whereabouts of $9 trillion worth of off-balance sheet transactions over the course of the past eight months. Nor can it explain the $1 trillion expansion of the Fed’s balance sheet since last September.

One Penny Sheet » Federal Reserve Cannot Account for $9 Trillion video

And you're complaining about 1.8 trillion? And that money is going to Americans. God knows where the $9 trillion is going. They won't even tell us.

So remind us how good private bankers are again?

 

[Toro]

The Fed spent $9 trillion in Bush's last 4 months and they didn't ask Congress for approval.

The Fed has not spent $9 trillion. What the Fed has done is "invested" - meaning that they have swapped assets - a little less than a trillion dollars, still a lot, but not $9 trillion. That number is a reference to all the liabilities, explicit and implicit, the Fed has guaranteed.

 

[sealybobo]

The Fed spent $9 trillion in Bush's last 4 months and they didn't ask Congress for approval.

The Fed has not spent $9 trillion. What the Fed has done is "invested" - meaning that they have swapped assets - a little less than a trillion dollars, still a lot, but not $9 trillion. That number is a reference to all the liabilities, explicit and implicit, the Fed has guaranteed.

How do we know? They won't say. And I am stunned that Obama wants to give the Fed more power. I must see the details on that. BS!

 

[sealybobo]

The Fed spent $9 trillion in Bush's last 4 months and they didn't ask Congress for approval.

The Fed has not spent $9 trillion. What the Fed has done is "invested" - meaning that they have swapped assets - a little less than a trillion dollars, still a lot, but not $9 trillion. That number is a reference to all the liabilities, explicit and implicit, the Fed has guaranteed.

$9 trillion worth of transactions over the past eight months.

I'd say the bankers and GOP are in collusion together trying to sabotage Obama.

I suspect he'll be blamed for this when the $9 trillion is added to the debt.

And still hardly a peep about this from the liberal media? I'm beginning to think they aren't so liberal after all.

But if anything, this proves that as I suspected, the bankers really own this country.

But to you, this proves that Democrats are no different than Republicans. I don't blame them. People like you tend to defend the bankers, even when they spend $9 trillion dollars in 8 months.

But if Obama spends $700 billion in 4 years? TEABAG HIM!!

I'm pissed that Obama says he wants to give the Federal Reserve more power. Are you?