Recognizing A Lawless President

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The ultimate action of a lawless President would be the abandonment of America's sovereignty.

This is an apt description of Barack Obama.


1. Article 7 is the cornerstone of American sovereignty. It describes ratification, and once ratified, announces that the people covered have entered into the “more perfect union” described in the Preamble. Article VI announces that the Constitution, any treaties and laws become the “supreme law of the land.” For a treaty to be valid it must be consistent with the Constitution, the Constitution being a higher authority than the treaties. As Alexander Hamilton stated, “ A treaty cannot change the frame of the government.”

a. In 1919 there was an international conference to establish the International Labor Organization (ILO). The plan was that members would vote on labor standards, and member nations would automatically adopt those standards. The American members declined, saying that this would be contrary to the Constitution, specifically, it would be delegating the treaty-making power to an international body: we would be surrendering America’s sovereignty as derived from the Constitution. In 90 years, we have unilaterally adopted just three of the standards.

b. Today, there is no longer a consensus on the principle of non-delegation. Two year ago the National Resources Defense Council, an environmental group, sued the EPA in the D.C. Court of Appeals stating that the Congress had instructed the EPA to conform to the Montreal Protocol, an international conference calling for stricter emission standards. The Appeals Court stated that Congress cannot delegate its constitutional power and responsibility to legislate for the American people to an international body.

c. Delegation of judicial power is also open to question. Although the U.S. can agree to arbitration of disputes with foreign countries, but it is another thing to say that the rights of American citizens can be determined by foreign courts. This would be a delegation of judicial power in Article 3: “…shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts…”

d. In Medellin vs. Texas (2008), the International Court of Justice ruled that Texas could not execute a convicted murderer. The Supreme Court ruled that decisions of the International Court of Justice are not binding domestic law. The vote was 6 to 3 (Souter, Breyer, Ginsburg). How long before the Supreme Court throws out the Constitution?

e. In May, 2009 Spanish judges are boldly declaring their authority to prosecute high-ranking government officials in the United States, but our government has not protested this nonsense, akin to piracy, and has, in fact, accepted an internationalist atmosphere which makes this sort of thing seem plausible.
From a speech by Jeremy Rabkin, professor of law, George Mason School of Law, June 5, 2009 at Washington, D.C.


2. "Obama Pursuing Climate Accord in Lieu of Treaty

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is working to forge a sweeping international climate change agreement to compel nations to cut their planet-warming fossil fuel emissions, but without ratification from Congress.

b. ....to be signed at a United Nations summit meeting in 2015 in Paris,... a deal to commit some of the world’s largest economies to enact laws to reduce their carbon pollution.

c. But under the Constitution, a president may enter into a legally binding treaty only if it is approved by a two-thirds majority of the Senate.

d. To sidestep that requirement, President Obama’s climate negotiators are devising what they call a “politically binding” deal....

e. Countries would be legally required to enact domestic climate change policies....channel money to poor countries to help them adapt to climate change."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/27/us/politics/obama-pursuing-climate-accord-in-lieu-of-treaty.html
 
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In the United States, the term "treaty" is used in a more restricted legal sense than in international law. U.S. law distinguishes what it calls treaties from congressional-executive agreements and sole-executive agreements. All three classes are considered treaties under international law; they are distinct only from the perspective of internal United States law. The distinctions are primarily concerning their method of ratification: by two-thirds of the Senate, by normal legislative process, or by the President alone, respectively. The Treaty Clause also has a somewhat different impact on domestic U.S. law, as compared to congressional-executive agreements and sole executive agreements.

Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution grants power to the President to make treaties with the "advice and consent" of two-thirds of the Senate. This is different from normal legislation which requires approval by simple majorities in both the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Throughout U.S. history, the President has also made international "agreements" through congressional-executive agreements (CEAs) that are ratified with only a majority from both houses of Congress, or sole-executive agreements made by the President alone.

Treaty Clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Thus, an international "treaty" as is being talked about with regards to climate change, is not what is considered a treaty by the standards set forth by the constitution that would require a 2/3 vote.

He may present this himself via executive order or by a simple majority vote.

Cabbie.
 
In the United States, the term "treaty" is used in a more restricted legal sense than in international law. U.S. law distinguishes what it calls treaties from congressional-executive agreements and sole-executive agreements. All three classes are considered treaties under international law; they are distinct only from the perspective of internal United States law. The distinctions are primarily concerning their method of ratification: by two-thirds of the Senate, by normal legislative process, or by the President alone, respectively. The Treaty Clause also has a somewhat different impact on domestic U.S. law, as compared to congressional-executive agreements and sole executive agreements.

Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution grants power to the President to make treaties with the "advice and consent" of two-thirds of the Senate. This is different from normal legislation which requires approval by simple majorities in both the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Throughout U.S. history, the President has also made international "agreements" through congressional-executive agreements (CEAs) that are ratified with only a majority from both houses of Congress, or sole-executive agreements made by the President alone.

Treaty Clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Thus, an international "treaty" as is being talked about with regards to climate change, is not what is considered a treaty by the standards set forth by the constitution that would require a 2/3 vote.

He may present this himself via executive order or by a simple majority vote.

Cabbie.



And yet the Liberal house organ, the NYTimes, makes the point that, once again, this lawless mistake in the White House is disregarding the Constitution.

The specific requirements of the Constitution.


I bolded the parts of the article to that effect....you are free to disregard it....but when a President does so, jail time is appropriate.
 
@PoliticalChic Did you not see where I expounded on the actual source that you used?

The constitution is referring to A TREATY OF WAR.



Under the Constitution, a president may enter into a legally binding treaty only if it is approved by a two-thirds majority of the Senate.


"[The President] shall have Power, by and with Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur..."
Constitution
 
@PoliticalChic Did you not see where I expounded on the actual source that you used?

The constitution is referring to A TREATY OF WAR.



Under the Constitution, a president may enter into a legally binding treaty only if it is approved by a two-thirds majority of the Senate.


"[The President] shall have Power, by and with Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur..."
Constitution

You are confusing a treaty of war with a general agreement about standards for pollution.
 
@PoliticalChic Did you not see where I expounded on the actual source that you used?

The constitution is referring to A TREATY OF WAR.



Under the Constitution, a president may enter into a legally binding treaty only if it is approved by a two-thirds majority of the Senate.


"[The President] shall have Power, by and with Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur..."
Constitution

You are confusing a treaty of war with a general agreement about standards for pollution.





Au contraire.....you are confusing a nation in which the Constitution is the law of the land, with the current one, in which a lawless President may count on an equally lawless Supreme Court, which regularly finds that black is white and up is down.



"... the Constitution does not expressly provide for any alternative to the Article II treaty procedure, Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution does distinguish between treaties (which states are forbidden to make) and agreements (which states may make with the consent of Congress).[2] The Supreme Court of the United States has considered congressional-executive and sole-executive agreements to be valid, ..."
Your link


In other words, either the words of the Constitution applies or some tap dance serves as the alternative.

Be reminded that the Constitution gives the only basis for altering same.
 
It's funny how we get constant posts about how Obama is breaking the law, but who gets indicted, a Republican governor in a Republican-controlled state!!! Why not a thread about how Rick Perry is lawless, mug shot and fingerprinted? I think this is all a ploy to keep people from looking at the shenanigans the Republicans are perpetrating on a daily basis. How can one really rely on the loyalty of people that would praise someone like Putin and compare him favorably to the president?
 
It's funny how we get constant posts about how Obama is breaking the law, but who gets indicted, a Republican governor in a Republican-controlled state!!! Why not a thread about how Rick Perry is lawless, mug shot and fingerprinted? I think this is all a ploy to keep people from looking at the shenanigans the Republicans are perpetrating on a daily basis. How can one really rely on the loyalty of people that would praise someone like Putin and compare him favorably to the president?



Is this post an admission by you that the content of the thread is well beyond your ability to understand?
 
@PoliticalChic Did you not see where I expounded on the actual source that you used?

The constitution is referring to A TREATY OF WAR.



Under the Constitution, a president may enter into a legally binding treaty only if it is approved by a two-thirds majority of the Senate.


"[The President] shall have Power, by and with Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur..."
Constitution

You are confusing a treaty of war with a general agreement about standards for pollution.



Actually, I'm highlighting a clear anti-constitutional machination of this lawless President.

And, I'm using the NYTimes to provide the revelation.


Take the blinders off.
 
It's funny how we get constant posts about how Obama is breaking the law, but who gets indicted, a Republican governor in a Republican-controlled state!!! Why not a thread about how Rick Perry is lawless, mug shot and fingerprinted? I think this is all a ploy to keep people from looking at the shenanigans the Republicans are perpetrating on a daily basis. How can one really rely on the loyalty of people that would praise someone like Putin and compare him favorably to the president?

Dont live here do you? If you did you'd know this is a common dem tactic and they lose every time. But of course you know this already.
 
Dumb chick fills so much space saying nothing of value.





".... saying nothing of value."


That was the NYTimes saying that "The Obama administration is working to forge a sweeping international climate change agreement to compel nations to cut their planet-warming fossil fuel emissions, but without ratification from Congress."

and

"...under the Constitution, a president may enter into a legally binding treaty only if it is approved by a two-thirds majority of the Senate.
To sidestep that requirement, President Obama’s ...."



Do you recall this:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”


You're not looking too smart....are you.
 
Hmmmm ... is this an actual treaty that would even NEED to be voted on? Sounds like they are talking about a program called Name and Shame.

Is that something that would have to be ratified by the Senate?
 
You are confusing a treaty of war with a general agreement about standards for pollution.

I understand your desire to rewrite the constitution in support of a more authoritarian system, but neither you nor ThinkProgress are clever enough to pull it off.

Yes, you desperately seek a dictator in Barack Obama, who's word is law, however the ACTUAL law states;

{Clause 2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments}

Nothing about "war treaty" or "if the President is beloved of the party" or any other modifier.Your god cannot enter into a treaty without two-thirds of the Senate concurring - period.
 
The actual "treaty" if that's what we are calling it, HAS NOT EVEN BEEN WRITTEN. It hasn't even been discussed.

If we don't know what the program entails, how do we know that ratification by the Senate is even a requirement?
 
PC, you're an idiot. The article you post says that the agreement would not be a legally binding treaty. In other words, you really shit the bed on this one
 
I understand your desire to rewrite the constitution in support of a more authoritarian system, but neither you nor ThinkProgress are clever enough to pull it off.

Yes, you desperately seek a dictator in Barack Obama, who's word is law, however the ACTUAL law states;

{Clause 2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments}

Nothing about "war treaty" or "if the President is beloved of the party" or any other modifier.Your god cannot enter into a treaty without two-thirds of the Senate concurring - period.

Nice! You're a constitutional scholar, now?

OK, genius - what exactly did the UN come up with? Now (use that tiny brain for something more than a beer-bong stand) does it need to be ratified? If they have not finished it, how would you even know that it would require a vote?

Also, what I'm hearing is not Obama saying, "yo, eff congress!" I'm hearing him say that IT MIGHT NOT need ratification depending upon what's in it.
 
PC, you're an idiot. The article you post says that the agreement would not be a legally binding treaty. In other words, you really shit the bed on this one

Of course she is, because un, uh. OBAMA AKBAR.

Somewhere in the world there is a leftist who is not a fucking retard.

Not on USMB - but somewhere in the world.....
 

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