Reagan's Promises

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What was the level of debt back in 1981?

Irrelevant – the GOP today wishes to cut SS/Medicare not to address debt but to destroy hated social programs that conflict with rightist dogma.

But aside from multiple free meals at school, this falls in line with todays conservatives.

Ryan and the TPM must not have gotten your memo.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is this the Reaganism all you conservatives seem determined to restore, in principle, to the Republican Party?

From February 1981 (addressing a joint session of Congress)

Now, I know that exaggerated and inaccurate stories about these cuts have disturbed many people, particularly those dependent on grant and benefit programs for their basic needs. Some of you have heard from constituents, I know, afraid that social security checks, for example, were going to be taken away from them. Well, I regret the fear that these unfounded stories have caused, and I welcome this opportunity to set things straight.

We will continue to fulfill the obligations that spring from our national conscience. Those who, through no fault of their own, must depend on the rest of us -- the poverty stricken, the disabled, the elderly, all those with true need -- can rest assured that the social safety net of programs they depend on are exempt from any cuts.

The full retirement benefits of the more than 31 million social security recipients will be continued, along with an annual cost-of-living increase.

Medicare will not be cut, nor will supplemental income for the blind, the aged, and the disabled.

And funding will continue for veterans pensions.

School breakfasts and lunches for the children of low-income families will continue, as will nutrition and other special services for the aging.

There will be no cut in Project Head Start or summer youth jobs.

Address Before a Joint Session of the Congress on the Program for Economic Recovery - February 18, 1981

Would Reagan be a RINO today???

" REAGANS WAR " by peter schweizer

" trying to match the reagan buildup staggered the soviet economy " p. 219

" prisoners tapped on walls and quietly talked thru toilets to share what reagan had said - he had given them hope " p. 191

" castro became nervous - (about reagan) - and withdrew troops from nicaragua - ortega was furious " p. 206

" managua and castro were shaken - the contra army was growing and reagan might invade the soviets too were backing down " p. 207

" castro asked the U.S.S.R. to send its navy to sail the caribbean - fearing reagan - the refused " p. 209

" carter sent armand hammer to moscow - (if they did favors for carter) carter wont forget that service if he is re-elected " p. 124

" reagan was alone in his effort to keep SOLIDARITY alive in poland " p. 169

" SDS leaders went to cuba for training " p. 53

" during the 1968 election the kremlin gave aud to hubert hunphery (D) to stop nixon " p. 55

" reagan passed resolution ( NO COMMUNIST CAN BE AN OFFICER IN THE SCREEN ACTORS GUILD " (sag) p. 14

" geroge chandler and gene kelly (anti-communists ) nominated reagan as (sag) president " p. 13

" edward g. robinson ( I WAS DUPED AND USED - I WAS LIED TO ! ) - he left the communist party " p. 21

" reagans secret ( FBI ) name was T-10 " p. 13

" there were 3 assassination attempts against reagan (not counting hinckley " p. 3

" death threats left reagan sitting up nights guarding his kids with a .38 " p. 3

" communists were active in hollywood since 1935 " p. 7

" reagan - gene kelly - kathy hepburn fought communism " p. 11

" gene kelly considered hollywood reds a real threat " p. 13

before u talk about reagan - you should do some research !

You should learn the meaning of the word 'topic'.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Is this the Reaganism all you conservatives seem determined to restore, in principle, to the Republican Party?

From February 1981 (addressing a joint session of Congress)

Now, I know that exaggerated and inaccurate stories about these cuts have disturbed many people, particularly those dependent on grant and benefit programs for their basic needs. Some of you have heard from constituents, I know, afraid that social security checks, for example, were going to be taken away from them. Well, I regret the fear that these unfounded stories have caused, and I welcome this opportunity to set things straight.

We will continue to fulfill the obligations that spring from our national conscience. Those who, through no fault of their own, must depend on the rest of us -- the poverty stricken, the disabled, the elderly, all those with true need -- can rest assured that the social safety net of programs they depend on are exempt from any cuts.

The full retirement benefits of the more than 31 million social security recipients will be continued, along with an annual cost-of-living increase.

Medicare will not be cut, nor will supplemental income for the blind, the aged, and the disabled.

And funding will continue for veterans pensions.

School breakfasts and lunches for the children of low-income families will continue, as will nutrition and other special services for the aging.

There will be no cut in Project Head Start or summer youth jobs.

Address Before a Joint Session of the Congress on the Program for Economic Recovery - February 18, 1981

Would Reagan be a RINO today???

" REAGANS WAR " by peter schweizer

" trying to match the reagan buildup staggered the soviet economy " p. 219

" prisoners tapped on walls and quietly talked thru toilets to share what reagan had said - he had given them hope " p. 191

" castro became nervous - (about reagan) - and withdrew troops from nicaragua - ortega was furious " p. 206

" managua and castro were shaken - the contra army was growing and reagan might invade the soviets too were backing down " p. 207

" castro asked the U.S.S.R. to send its navy to sail the caribbean - fearing reagan - the refused " p. 209

" carter sent armand hammer to moscow - (if they did favors for carter) carter wont forget that service if he is re-elected " p. 124

" reagan was alone in his effort to keep SOLIDARITY alive in poland " p. 169

" SDS leaders went to cuba for training " p. 53

" during the 1968 election the kremlin gave aud to hubert hunphery (D) to stop nixon " p. 55

" reagan passed resolution ( NO COMMUNIST CAN BE AN OFFICER IN THE SCREEN ACTORS GUILD " (sag) p. 14

" geroge chandler and gene kelly (anti-communists ) nominated reagan as (sag) president " p. 13

" edward g. robinson ( I WAS DUPED AND USED - I WAS LIED TO ! ) - he left the communist party " p. 21

" reagans secret ( FBI ) name was T-10 " p. 13

" there were 3 assassination attempts against reagan (not counting hinckley " p. 3

" death threats left reagan sitting up nights guarding his kids with a .38 " p. 3

" communists were active in hollywood since 1935 " p. 7

" reagan - gene kelly - kathy hepburn fought communism " p. 11

" gene kelly considered hollywood reds a real threat " p. 13

before u talk about reagan - you should do some research !

You should learn the meaning of the word 'topic'.

In other words don't bring anything into this that refutes your BS?

Poor Carbiner. He believed some cut and paste without context and got his head handed to him.

Nothing new. This is typical Carbiner!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is this the Reaganism all you conservatives seem determined to restore, in principle, to the Republican Party?

From February 1981 (addressing a joint session of Congress)

Now, I know that exaggerated and inaccurate stories about these cuts have disturbed many people, particularly those dependent on grant and benefit programs for their basic needs. Some of you have heard from constituents, I know, afraid that social security checks, for example, were going to be taken away from them. Well, I regret the fear that these unfounded stories have caused, and I welcome this opportunity to set things straight.

We will continue to fulfill the obligations that spring from our national conscience. Those who, through no fault of their own, must depend on the rest of us -- the poverty stricken, the disabled, the elderly, all those with true need -- can rest assured that the social safety net of programs they depend on are exempt from any cuts.

The full retirement benefits of the more than 31 million social security recipients will be continued, along with an annual cost-of-living increase.

Medicare will not be cut, nor will supplemental income for the blind, the aged, and the disabled.

And funding will continue for veterans pensions.

School breakfasts and lunches for the children of low-income families will continue, as will nutrition and other special services for the aging.

There will be no cut in Project Head Start or summer youth jobs.

Address Before a Joint Session of the Congress on the Program for Economic Recovery - February 18, 1981

Would Reagan be a RINO today???

What was the level of debt back in 1981?

Thread fail due to lack of common sense.

But aside from multiple free meals at school, this falls in line with todays conservatives.

The debt tripled over the course of the 8 years Reagan was president.

 

[NYcarbineer]

" REAGANS WAR " by peter schweizer

" trying to match the reagan buildup staggered the soviet economy " p. 219

" prisoners tapped on walls and quietly talked thru toilets to share what reagan had said - he had given them hope " p. 191

" castro became nervous - (about reagan) - and withdrew troops from nicaragua - ortega was furious " p. 206

" managua and castro were shaken - the contra army was growing and reagan might invade the soviets too were backing down " p. 207

" castro asked the U.S.S.R. to send its navy to sail the caribbean - fearing reagan - the refused " p. 209

" carter sent armand hammer to moscow - (if they did favors for carter) carter wont forget that service if he is re-elected " p. 124

" reagan was alone in his effort to keep SOLIDARITY alive in poland " p. 169

" SDS leaders went to cuba for training " p. 53

" during the 1968 election the kremlin gave aud to hubert hunphery (D) to stop nixon " p. 55

" reagan passed resolution ( NO COMMUNIST CAN BE AN OFFICER IN THE SCREEN ACTORS GUILD " (sag) p. 14

" geroge chandler and gene kelly (anti-communists ) nominated reagan as (sag) president " p. 13

" edward g. robinson ( I WAS DUPED AND USED - I WAS LIED TO ! ) - he left the communist party " p. 21

" reagans secret ( FBI ) name was T-10 " p. 13

" there were 3 assassination attempts against reagan (not counting hinckley " p. 3

" death threats left reagan sitting up nights guarding his kids with a .38 " p. 3

" communists were active in hollywood since 1935 " p. 7

" reagan - gene kelly - kathy hepburn fought communism " p. 11

" gene kelly considered hollywood reds a real threat " p. 13

before u talk about reagan - you should do some research !

You should learn the meaning of the word 'topic'.

In other words don't bring anything into this that refutes your BS?

Poor Carbiner. He believed some cut and paste without context and got his head handed to him.

Nothing new. This is typical Carbiner!

::

What does mentioning the assassination attempt on Reagan refute, Crazy Bird Lady?

 

[midcan5]

Reagan is so totally a myth today he wouldn't recognize himself if he came back for a look at the republican party.

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Newsflash: Ronald Reagan Raised Taxes (You Idiots) | Firedoglake

"It’s conservative lore that Reagan the icon cut taxes, while George H.W. Bush the renegade raised them. As Stockman recalls, "No one was authorized to talk about tax increases on Ronald Reagan’s watch, no matter what kind of tax, no matter how justified it was." Yet raising taxes is exactly what Reagan did. He did not always instigate those hikes or agree to them willingly–but he signed off on them. One year after his massive tax cut, Reagan agreed to a tax increase to reduce the deficit that restored fully one-third of the previous year’s reduction. (In a bizarre bit of self-deception, Reagan, who never came to terms with this episode of ideological apostasy, persuaded himself that the three-year, $100 billion tax hike–the largest since World War II–was actually "tax reform" that closed loopholes in his earlier cut and therefore didn’t count as raising taxes.)

Faced with looming deficits, Reagan raised taxes again in 1983 with a gasoline tax and once more in 1984, this time by $50 billion over three years, mainly through closing tax loopholes for business. Despite the fact that such increases were anathema to conservatives–and probably cost Reagan’s successor, George H.W. Bush, reelection–Reagan raised taxes a grand total of four times just between 1982-84. "

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The American Left will never forgive Reagan for Collapsing the USSR. He beat them so badly, he left them no choice but to complete their takeover of the Democrat Party.

 

[teapartysamurai]

You should learn the meaning of the word 'topic'.

In other words don't bring anything into this that refutes your BS?

Poor Carbiner. He believed some cut and paste without context and got his head handed to him.

Nothing new. This is typical Carbiner!

::

What does mentioning the assassination attempt on Reagan refute, Crazy Bird Lady?

Oh like that's the only thing he mentioned!

Nice try!

 

[Vanquish]

Reagan didn't shut down Russia single-handedly. Nor was he even the damn spearhead. He came in as cleanup to a history of policies of all the administrations and legislatures before him. That's a Republican myth.

It's amazing to watch the conservatives in this thread scramble so hard to say ... that was then this is now! Look at the principles BEHIND what he said and did. Today's conservative party would label him a RINO and move on. Though he might have his own reality show! HAHHAHA

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reagan called the USSR an Evil Empire, he dedicated his Presidency to three BIG THEMES:

1. Revitalize the US economy by cutting taxes and letting businesses get back to work

2. Build up US military and force projection

3. Roll back Soviet hegemony and collapse the whole fucking house of Soviet cards.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjWDrTXMgF8]YouTube - ‪Reagan - Tear Down This Wall‬‏[/ame]

 

[Vanquish]

Repeating talking points isn't proof, friend. You're obviously delusional, but let me clear things up for you with a quickness.


The idea to bring down the wall wasn't new policy by any means. Not only was it Reagan's policy much earlier, but it was American policy much earlier too. That speech didn't CAUSE the change in the Soviet Union, it was only possible because the Soviet Union had already begun to change with Gorbachev's changes. Imagine picking a fight with your biggest enemy and creating more tension! What that speech DID do...was allow him to start a dialog about how to slowly wind down and with more precision what was already happening thanks to a long history of U.S policy.

The bankrupting of the Soviet Union didn't happen in a few years of his presidency - it had been happening for decades (all sorts of leading economic indicators of the time bore that out).

You can google "Reagan Myth Soviet Union" and your whole little Jesusification crumbles. But keep thinking what you want to.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do0x-Egc6oA]YouTube - ‪President Ronald Reagan - "Evil Empire" Speech‬‏[/ame]

Reagan in 1983 correctly labeled the USSR an "Evil Empire", not Gorby and not Putin.

The Left had a FIT!!

And you know what?

TOO FUCKING BAD!

 

[DaGoose]

Would Reagan be a RINO today???

Reagan is dead. the promises he made 30 years ago are relevant to absolutely nothing. If he was alive today he would be calling for reforms in these programs. Only a certifiable moron doesn't understand that we can't pay what has been promised by sleazy unscrupulous Democrat politicians from the past.

Sorry, but a promise is a promise. Especially when people have paid into something their whole lives. And guess what?........

ANY POLITICIAN WHO VOTES TO END OR SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE SS OR MEDICARE WILL BE VOTED OUT.

Now there's some truth for you.

.

 

[DaGoose]

Would Reagan be a RINO today???

Reagan is dead. the promises he made 30 years ago are relevant to absolutely nothing. If he was alive today he would be calling for reforms in these programs. Only a certifiable moron doesn't understand that we can't pay what has been promised by sleazy unscrupulous Democrat politicians from the past.

YouTube - ‪President Ronald Reagan - "Evil Empire" Speech‬‏

Reagan in 1983 correctly labeled the USSR an "Evil Empire", not Gorby and not Putin.

The Left had a FIT!!

And you know what?

TOO FUCKING BAD!

He then sold arms to Iran and lied about it. He was a sorry bastard, plain and simple.

.

 

[DiamondDave]

Would Reagan be a RINO today???

Reagan is dead. the promises he made 30 years ago are relevant to absolutely nothing. If he was alive today he would be calling for reforms in these programs. Only a certifiable moron doesn't understand that we can't pay what has been promised by sleazy unscrupulous Democrat politicians from the past.

Sorry, but a promise is a promise. Especially when people have paid into something their whole lives. And guess what?........

ANY POLITICIAN WHO VOTES TO END OR SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE SS OR MEDICARE WILL BE VOTED OUT.

Now there's some truth for you.

.

Yeah... you either want your freebie.. or to get a payout that was less than you put in

Hell.. you can get more out of putting the same amount into a simple savings account.... It is supposed to be YOUR money, your lockbox... but it is nowhere close to that.. it is a slush fund, big government playground, and red tape machine where the government suckers you in the name of ever increasing power and presence

If it were so fucking great, why the fuck are they mandatory?? People would flock to it in DROVES if it were so damn awesome of a system

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Would Reagan be a RINO today???

Reagan is dead. the promises he made 30 years ago are relevant to absolutely nothing. If he was alive today he would be calling for reforms in these programs. Only a certifiable moron doesn't understand that we can't pay what has been promised by sleazy unscrupulous Democrat politicians from the past.

YouTube - ‪President Ronald Reagan - "Evil Empire" Speech‬‏

Reagan in 1983 correctly labeled the USSR an "Evil Empire", not Gorby and not Putin.

The Left had a FIT!!

And you know what?

TOO FUCKING BAD!

He then sold arms to Iran and lied about it. He was a sorry bastard, plain and simple.

.

He never sold arms to Iran you clueless fuckwit.

 

[DaGoose]

Reagan is dead. the promises he made 30 years ago are relevant to absolutely nothing. If he was alive today he would be calling for reforms in these programs. Only a certifiable moron doesn't understand that we can't pay what has been promised by sleazy unscrupulous Democrat politicians from the past.

Sorry, but a promise is a promise. Especially when people have paid into something their whole lives. And guess what?........

ANY POLITICIAN WHO VOTES TO END OR SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE SS OR MEDICARE WILL BE VOTED OUT.

Now there's some truth for you.

.

Yeah... you either want your freebie.. or to get a payout that was less than you put in

Hell.. you can get more out of putting the same amount into a simple savings account.... It is supposed to be YOUR money, your lockbox... but it is nowhere close to that.. it is a slush fund, big government playground, and red tape machine where the government suckers you in the name of ever increasing power and presence

If it were so fucking great, why the fuck are they mandatory?? People would flock to it in DROVES if it were so damn awesome of a system

Again....any politician who tries to fuck with it WILL get voted out. And THAT, my friend, is a FACT.

Oh, you may not like it, you may cry, you may bitch and you may moan. But it's still a FACT.

.

 

[DaGoose]

Reagan is dead. the promises he made 30 years ago are relevant to absolutely nothing. If he was alive today he would be calling for reforms in these programs. Only a certifiable moron doesn't understand that we can't pay what has been promised by sleazy unscrupulous Democrat politicians from the past.

YouTube - ‪President Ronald Reagan - "Evil Empire" Speech‬‏

Reagan in 1983 correctly labeled the USSR an "Evil Empire", not Gorby and not Putin.

The Left had a FIT!!

And you know what?

TOO FUCKING BAD!

He then sold arms to Iran and lied about it. He was a sorry bastard, plain and simple.

.

He never sold arms to Iran you clueless fuckwit.

HELLO!!!!! What planet are you from??? He not only sold arms to Iran he also removed Iraq from the terrorist and sold them chemical weapons.

Wow. You're really clueless, aren't you?

.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Would Reagan be a RINO today???

Reagan is dead. the promises he made 30 years ago are relevant to absolutely nothing. If he was alive today he would be calling for reforms in these programs. Only a certifiable moron doesn't understand that we can't pay what has been promised by sleazy unscrupulous Democrat politicians from the past.

Sorry, but a promise is a promise. Especially when people have paid into something their whole lives. And guess what?........

ANY POLITICIAN WHO VOTES TO END OR SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE SS OR MEDICARE WILL BE VOTED OUT.

Now there's some truth for you.

.

WTF are you talking about? Seriously, what alternate, hitherto reality do you exist in?

 

[DiamondDave]

Sorry, but a promise is a promise. Especially when people have paid into something their whole lives. And guess what?........

ANY POLITICIAN WHO VOTES TO END OR SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE SS OR MEDICARE WILL BE VOTED OUT.

Now there's some truth for you.

.

Yeah... you either want your freebie.. or to get a payout that was less than you put in

Hell.. you can get more out of putting the same amount into a simple savings account.... It is supposed to be YOUR money, your lockbox... but it is nowhere close to that.. it is a slush fund, big government playground, and red tape machine where the government suckers you in the name of ever increasing power and presence

If it were so fucking great, why the fuck are they mandatory?? People would flock to it in DROVES if it were so damn awesome of a system

Again....any politician who tries to fuck with it WILL get voted out. And THAT, my friend, is a FACT.

Oh, you may not like it, you may cry, you may bitch and you may moan. But it's still a FACT.

.

Your opinion or want, is not fact

And we notice you did not address what was asked