Qaddafi and sons leave libya

[JoeB131]

I believe in Democracy.

When you do it means you believe that it is the finest form of government and can transform a society to its best behavior.

What form of government would you perfer they have?

Fascism, socialism, dictatorship?

Probably like most Democrats, or republicans, for that matter, you believe in Democracy when your guy wins. Somehow, I really doubt you looked at the 2010 midterms as "Wow, what a great day for Democracy". Don't picture you doing that based on what I've seen of your postings here.

I frankly don't care what kind of government the backwards, superstitious savage tribes of Libya have for themselves. They'll still be the same backward savages they were before Qadaffi left. We should stay out of it. We should stay out of the entire middle east. All we've managed to do is insert ourselves in their affairs, and who do you think they are going to blame when Allah doesnt' bless them with instant prosperity?

Many of these rebels are linked to Al Qaeda. I have a hard time wanting to get on any side of a fight when I think both sides are equally bad.

The only thing this conflict did is expose that NATO is a paper tiger. If it could barely impose its will on Libya (a country with less people in it than Metropolitian Chicago), an alliance with five of the richest countries on Earth, how could it really mount a defense against a real threat- Russia, China or Iran?

 

[California Girl]

I believe in Democracy.

When you do it means you believe that it is the finest form of government and can transform a society to its best behavior.

What form of government would you perfer they have?

Fascism, socialism, dictatorship?

Probably like most Democrats, or republicans, for that matter, you believe in Democracy when your guy wins. Somehow, I really doubt you looked at the 2010 midterms as "Wow, what a great day for Democracy". Don't picture you doing that based on what I've seen of your postings here.

I frankly don't care what kind of government the backwards, superstitious savage tribes of Libya have for themselves. They'll still be the same backward savages they were before Qadaffi left. We should stay out of it. We should stay out of the entire middle east. All we've managed to do is insert ourselves in their affairs, and who do you think they are going to blame when Allah doesnt' bless them with instant prosperity?

Many of these rebels are linked to Al Qaeda. I have a hard time wanting to get on any side of a fight when I think both sides are equally bad.

The only thing this conflict did is expose that NATO is a paper tiger. If it could barely impose its will on Libya (a country with less people in it than Metropolitian Chicago), an alliance with five of the richest countries on Earth, how could it really mount a defense against a real threat- Russia, China or Iran?

Again, we live in a Republic.

 

[BoycottTheday]

Im sure the enemies of the West see all this "success" in Libya and tremble in fear now.

[/sarcasm]

 

[Truthmatters]

I believe in Democracy.

When you do it means you believe that it is the finest form of government and can transform a society to its best behavior.

What form of government would you perfer they have?

Fascism, socialism, dictatorship?

Probably like most Democrats, or republicans, for that matter, you believe in Democracy when your guy wins. Somehow, I really doubt you looked at the 2010 midterms as "Wow, what a great day for Democracy". Don't picture you doing that based on what I've seen of your postings here.

I frankly don't care what kind of government the backwards, superstitious savage tribes of Libya have for themselves. They'll still be the same backward savages they were before Qadaffi left. We should stay out of it. We should stay out of the entire middle east. All we've managed to do is insert ourselves in their affairs, and who do you think they are going to blame when Allah doesnt' bless them with instant prosperity?

Many of these rebels are linked to Al Qaeda. I have a hard time wanting to get on any side of a fight when I think both sides are equally bad.

The only thing this conflict did is expose that NATO is a paper tiger. If it could barely impose its will on Libya (a country with less people in it than Metropolitian Chicago), an alliance with five of the richest countries on Earth, how could it really mount a defense against a real threat- Russia, China or Iran?

Believing in democracy is not believing you get your way every time.

Its not about YOUR approval of all they do.

Its about believing man can rise to his best intentions with democracy.

Light and air infused in the debate will always produce the Better nature of mans progress.

Democracy is mans best hope, these people ( no matter how prejudice you are) are just people.

 

[Dot Com]

It reminds me of when Carter got the Shah to leave Iran

The shah was a terrorist?

he terrorized his own people...did he not?

The Shah was also installed after a CIA instigated take-over Trajan. How'd that work out
publicly the Repubs will just mumble some incoherent babble but privately they'll be seething

 

[WillowTree]

Republicans screamed at Obama to help the Libyan Population.

Republicans screamed at Obama for helping the Libyan Population.

The operative words, "Republicans screamed at Obama".

I'm glad you people don't have problems helping people out. Because soon Israel is going to need our help. Soon.

9 billion in aid for their military isn't enough?

not when the missiles start flying.. oh wait,, those darn Palestinians are letting loose with the missiles again izzin't they/

 

[Dot Com]

yup...I'd have no problem talking about the issue, but when you start off by saying something stupid. Well then i dont see a point.

In other words, you can't deal with the substance in his post so you are ignoring it completely.

no i actually can see his point and see it as a possible outcome,but his retarded first comment took all that away...

here we go with Avatar doing her/his stupid assumption game, in which everytime gets proven wrong over and over again.

Yeah. Whats the deal w/ Avatar?

 

[JoeB131]

Believing in democracy is not believing you get your way every time.

Its not about YOUR approval of all they do.

Its about believing man can rise to his best intentions with democracy.

Light and air infused in the debate will always produce the Better nature of mans progress.

Democracy is mans best hope, these people ( no matter how prejudice you are) are just people.

pardon my Godwins, but Hitler was democratically elected. Democracy is not all that and a bag of chips. Some of the worst things in history have had full support of the people. oh, afterwards, they all blamed the leaders, like children who got sick after eating too much candy.

Democracy works well if people are educated enough to understand what they are voting for. Otherwise, it's just a popularity contest, and anyone from High School remembers how valid those were..

These are people who mutilate their daughter's genitals so they won't shame the family by enjoying sex outside their pre-arranged marriages, who think it is perfectly acceptable to strap bombs onto their children to blow up people they don't like or don't worship the same sky pixie they do. "Democracy" isn't going to elevate them.

"And then, there's the noble man bullshit; that man is a noble creature that can order his own world; who needs God? Well, if there's anybody out there that can look around this demented slaughterhouse of a world we live in and tell me that man is a noble creature, believe me: That man is full of bullshit."- Howard Beale

 

[Missourian]

NATO succeeds!



Hope this isn't just a rumor.

NATO - Topic: NATO and Libya - Operation Unified Protector​

 

[Conservative]

Qaddafi and Two Sons Rumored To Have Fled Libya - Ujala Sehgal, The Atlantic Wire - NationalJournal.com

It's interesting that your title states it as a fact, but the article you links says it is rumors.

One source also indicated that Al-Jazeera wrote that Qaddafi "reportedly" left for Italy, although there is no mention of this on its Libya liveblog yet (only that a top Qaddafi aide fled to Italy)

More recently, Engel tweeted that "Rebels themselves don't know if reports of qaddafi's departure are true. 'we hope' they say..."

Update: Top rebel commander in west can NOT confirm Qaddafi has left, according to Engel.

consider the source of the OP. Rumor = fact to TM

 

[Conservative]

How is it a lie.

Its the subject of the article.

Unless you have PROOF, it is a lie.

Even a dip shit like you should be able to comprehend that.

 

[Conservative]

Its the subject of the article.

I linked to the article.

you're a lying moron.

 

[Conservative]

Its the subject of the article.

I linked to the article.

You made a statement, namely 'Gaddafi and sons leave Lybia'. The article is a rumor. There is nothing to substantiate your statement that they have left.

This is why you struggle with even basic arguments. You can't tell the difference between a 'fact' and a 'rumor'.

Grow up.

WHY do you ignore the preponderance of evidence that you lied?

 

[Dot Com]

It is NATO (Britain & France for the most part at this stage) led but the gains made have been a direct result of the U.S. CINC taking decisive action from the beginning of the operation.

 

[Truthmatters]

why are you people so emotionally involved with finding fault in the title of a thread.

The thread title correctly discribes the subject of the article.

I never anywhere claimed that the article was wrong and that Gaddfi was proven to have left Libya.

 

[editec]

Yeah?

Did he take the nation's 144 metric tons of gold with him, too?

 

[Kuros]

How is it a lie.

Its the subject of the article.

Unless you have PROOF, it is a lie.

Even a dip shit like you should be able to comprehend that.

She linked to the article. Within the article it says 'rumors' which evolve into 'unconfirmed reports.'

You guys are being way too harsh.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

How is it a lie.

Its the subject of the article.

Unless you have PROOF, it is a lie.

Even a dip shit like you should be able to comprehend that.

She linked to the article. Within the article it says 'rumors' which evolve into 'unconfirmed reports.'

You guys are being way too harsh.

But she didn't say it was a rumor in her title. She was trying to imply that they had left already.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Oh my, it seems that the statement

Qaddafi and sons leave libya

was false after all.

TRIPOLI, Libya — Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi said Sunday he will stay in Tripoli "until the end" and called on his supporters around the country to help liberate the capital from a rebel offensive.

He said in an audio message played over state television he was "afraid that Tripoli will burn" and he said he would provide weapons to supporters to fight off the rebels.

Gadhafi says he'll stay in Tripoli 'until the end' - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com

 

[Liability]

President Obama will someday tell us the compelling and principled U.S. National interest in getting militarily involved in Libya.