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Putin's Evasions On Flight MH-17 Are a Disgrace
Litwin
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USA is always backing progress , whats wrong with it? what support your Mongols Juchi ? tell me Putlerist?" US sponsored " bla . bla, bla. i see you point OlginoYeah NATO is to be believed. LMFAO!NATO Chief WantsMaybe but with all the propaganda against Putin and Russia by western governments and their state run media, one should be skeptical.
Russia 'To Admit
Responsibility' In
MH17 Case
Statement by the
NATO Secretary
General on MH17
investigation
There is truth in what you are saying. The US sponsored getting the Ukraine
into NATO. The Europeans balked at that idea.
If the Ukraine had been in NATO none of that stuff would have happened.
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The Internet Research Agency (IRA) is a Russian company, based in Saint Petersburg, ... The terms "Trolls from Olgino" and "Olgino's trolls" have become general terms denoting trolls who spread pro-Russian propaganda, not only necessarily ...
Here...read this...stupid ass European...
Bush backs Ukraine and Georgia for Nato membership
MH-17 happened on Barry Hussein's watch. Were Obama intell people out of the loop or was bisexual little Barry intimidated by Putin?
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NATO should have been dissolved. It is a Cold War relic designed primarily to oppose and threaten Russia. Russia is not our enemy, but the ruling class needs an enemy to keep the Military Industry Complex humming and to start wars the ruling class can profit from.Yeah NATO is to be believed. LMFAO!NATO Chief WantsMaybe but with all the propaganda against Putin and Russia by western governments and their state run media, one should be skeptical.
Russia 'To Admit
Responsibility' In
MH17 Case
Statement by the
NATO Secretary
General on MH17
investigation
There is truth in what you are saying. The US sponsored getting the Ukraine
into NATO. The Europeans balked at that idea.
If the Ukraine had been in NATO none of that stuff would have happened.
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And remember when the shoot down happened, Obama and Kerry IMMEDIATELY blamed Russia without ever providing any proof. Then they imposed economic sanctions on Russia. This is what diplomacy was like under the Great Obama. Blame a nation without providing proof and then impose sanctions. This is not diplomacy, it is stupidity. Obama was always good for doing what the ruling class told him to do.MH-17 happened on Barry Hussein's watch. Were Obama intell people out of the loop or was bisexual little Barry intimidated by Putin?
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Maybe Trumptards love PutinMaybe but with all the propaganda against Putin and Russia by western governments and their state run media, one should be skeptical.
This is the extent of thinking by those with Trump Delusion Syndrome. Anyone who opposes war and provocations for war, is a Putin puppet.
So goes the debate in the good ole USA.
Proof the state run media still has the power to dupe millions of Americans.
Litwin
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does not matter what you putlerist want , your afro' asia is only 1% of world GDP , like Mexico or Brazil , so new its just matter of time when ulus of juchi will collapse , not my words, but your MF Siluanov´sNATO should have been dissolved. It is a Cold War relic designed primarily to oppose and threaten Russia. Russia is not our enemy, but the ruling class needs an enemy to keep the Military Industry Complex humming and to start wars the ruling class can profit from.Yeah NATO is to be believed. LMFAO!NATO Chief WantsMaybe but with all the propaganda against Putin and Russia by western governments and their state run media, one should be skeptical.
Russia 'To Admit
Responsibility' In
MH17 Case
Statement by the
NATO Secretary
General on MH17
investigation
There is truth in what you are saying. The US sponsored getting the Ukraine
into NATO. The Europeans balked at that idea.
If the Ukraine had been in NATO none of that stuff would have happened.
Litwin
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" The United States has complete confidence in the findings of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) as presented today by the Dutch Public Prosecutor: the missile launcher used to shoot down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 originated from the 53rd Anti-aircraft Brigade of the Russian Federation, stationed in Kursk.
Today’s announcement confirms and adds detail to what we have said from the earliest days of this tragedy: MH17 was shot down by a Russian-made BUK surface-to-air missile fired from territory in eastern Ukraine controlled by Russia and Russia-led forces.
We recall the UN Security Council’s demand that “those responsible … be held to account and that all States cooperate fully with efforts to establish accountability.” We call upon Russia, in particular, to respect and adhere to UN Security Council Resolution 2166 (2014). It is time for Russia to cease its lies and account for its role in the shoot down.
We remain confident in the ability of the Dutch criminal justice system to prosecute those responsible in a manner that is fair and just.
We again extend our deepest sympathies to the families and friends of the victims and call for justice on behalf of the 298 innocent civilians who lost their lives on that day.
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https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/05/282498.htm
Litwin
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"Australia and the Netherlands say they are holding Russia responsible for downing a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet in 2014.
All 298 people on board MH17, which was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, died when it was shot down over rebel-held territory in Ukraine.
On Thursday, Dutch-led international investigators concluded that the missile belonged to a Russian brigade.
Russia has denied any involvement in the plane's destruction.
Moscow's defence ministry said it "rejects the version of the Dutch investigators". It has previously insisted that none of its weapons were used to bring down MH17.
The team of international investigators, however, found that "all the vehicles in a convoy carrying the missile were part of the Russian armed forces". It was fired from rebel-held territory in eastern Ukraine.
When it hit the Malaysia Airlines plane, it killed 193 Dutch nationals, 43 people from Malaysia, and 27 from Australia. Other victims came from countries including Indonesia, the UK, Belgium, Germany and the Philippines."
MH17: Russia 'liable' for downing airliner over Ukraine - BBC News
All 298 people on board MH17, which was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, died when it was shot down over rebel-held territory in Ukraine.
On Thursday, Dutch-led international investigators concluded that the missile belonged to a Russian brigade.
Russia has denied any involvement in the plane's destruction.
Moscow's defence ministry said it "rejects the version of the Dutch investigators". It has previously insisted that none of its weapons were used to bring down MH17.
The team of international investigators, however, found that "all the vehicles in a convoy carrying the missile were part of the Russian armed forces". It was fired from rebel-held territory in eastern Ukraine.
When it hit the Malaysia Airlines plane, it killed 193 Dutch nationals, 43 people from Malaysia, and 27 from Australia. Other victims came from countries including Indonesia, the UK, Belgium, Germany and the Philippines."
MH17: Russia 'liable' for downing airliner over Ukraine - BBC News
Litwin
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MH17 – Russian GRU Commander ‘Orion’ Identified as Oleg Ivannikov
May 25, 2018
By Bellingcat Investigation Team
A joint investigation between Bellingcat, The Insider, and McClatchy DC Bureau has conclusively identified another key person of interest in the ongoing investigation of the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 (MH17). The person known as ’Andrey Ivanovich’, a.k.a. call sign ‘Orion’, is in fact a high-ranking Russian GRU officer named Oleg Vladimirovich Ivannikov.
Read McClatchy’s article here.
Research and report by Moritz Rakuszitzky, Daniel Romein, and Roman Dobrokhotov.
Additional research and editing by Aric Toler and Klement Anders.
Summary
A joint international open source investigation led by Bellingcat has identified conclusively that the person of interest known as ‘Andrey Ivanovich’ or ‘Orion’ whose identity is sought by the Joint Investigating Team in connection with the criminal investigation into the downing of MH17, is in fact Russian citizen Oleg Vladimirovich Ivannikov, born on 2 April 1967.
Bellingcat has determined with very high certainty that at the time of the downing of MH17, Oleg Ivannikov was an officer of the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Ministry of Defence (GRU), and served in that function until at least as late as September 2017.
Bellingcat has also established with very high certainty that Oleg Ivannikov, using the alias ‘Andrey Ivanovich Laptev’ in a covert operation for the Russian intelligence services, served as chairman of the Security Council (2004-2006), and as Minister of Defense and Emergencies (2006-2008) of the self-proclaimed Republic of South Ossetia.
The Bellingcat-led investigating team used primarily open source data sources to reconstruct a curriculum vitae of Oleg Ivannikov. As detailed in the biographical timeline below, Ivannikov was born in Eastern Germany as son of a decorated Russian major general, before attending a Soviet military academy in Kyiv, and graduating from the Aerospace Faculty of the Moscow Aviation Institute in Moscow in 1990. At an undetermined stage between his graduation and 2003, Ivannikov became a military officer working for GRU.
During his undercover deployment in South Ossetia from 2004 to 2008, Ivannikov provided military guidance to the breakaway region at a time when both Russia and Georgia competed for its closer reintegration. During his term in office, military tensions between South Ossetia and Georgia escalated, with Russian mercenaries joining South Ossetian militias in attacking Georgian peacekeeping forces, and at one point shooting down a Georgian reconnaissance drone.
After stepping down from ministerial position in 2008, Ivannikov pursued a PhD degree in Russia with a thesis titled “The Complex Nature of the Information War in the Caucasus”. From 2012, Ivannikov served – under his real name and credentials as ‘military expert’ – as director of the Russia-Caucasus Research Center of the state-funded International Institute of the Newly Established States. In this capacity he published more than twenty articles, mainly about the war in Syria and the conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia. Simultaneously, he continued to play a limited role in South Ossetian political life via his alter ego, establishing a research institute in South Ossetia, and at one point publicly endorsing a presidential candidate. Ivannikov continued publishing articles as director of the Russia-Caucuses Center until late 2013.
The reporting team has also determined with high certainty that Oleg Ivannikov was the person behind the covert name ‘Andrey Ivanovich’ who, according to multiple reports by Russian militant commanders and separatists fighting in the so-called ‘Luhansk People’s Republic’ (‘LNR’), was military adviser and de facto handler of the political leadership of the LNR in 2014. Ivannikov was deployed to Ukraine at an undetermined point in the first half of 2014, and remained there at least until early 2015. During his undercover deployment to LNR, he coordinated and supervised the military activities of Russian militants, pro-Russian separatists and “private army” contingents from the Wagner group. Ivannikov also supervised the procurement and transport of weapons across the Russia Ukraine border. He held these functions at the time of the downing of MH17.
The findings in this report for the first time establish the direct or indirect involvement of a high-ranking Russian military officer on active duty operating on the territory of Ukraine in the destruction of the airliner.
Andrey Ivanovich ‘Orion’: SBU intercepts and the JIT Call for Witnesses
One day after the downing of MH17 over eastern Ukraine, on 18 July 2014, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) published intercepted telephone conversations allegedly related to the criminal act that led to the deaths of all 298 people on board the plane. One conversation dated 14 July 2014 – three days before the downing – was reported to be between Oleg Bugrov, former Deputy Minister of Defense of the LNR, and a man referred to as ‘Andrey Ivanovich’ with the call sign ‘Oreon’, who, according to SBU’s description to the call, was a Russian citizen and officer of the GRU. In this conversation, ‘Oreon’ is heard boasting that “they” have come into possession of a ‘Buk’ and will start shooting down [Ukrainian military] planes with it. According to a 18 July 2014 statement by the SBU, the Buk-M1 missile launcher that downed MH17 was transported from Russia to Ukraine during the night of 16 to 17 July 2014. It is unclear from the call whether ‘Oreon’ was referring to a different Buk that had been procured in Eastern Ukraine on or before 14 July 2014, or about the Buk that was expected to arrive later that week.
MH17 - Russian GRU Commander ‘Orion’ Identified as Oleg Ivannikov - bellingcat
MH17 – Russian GRU Commander ‘Orion’ Identified as Oleg Ivannikov
May 25, 2018
By Bellingcat Investigation Team
A joint investigation between Bellingcat, The Insider, and McClatchy DC Bureau has conclusively identified another key person of interest in the ongoing investigation of the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 (MH17). The person known as ’Andrey Ivanovich’, a.k.a. call sign ‘Orion’, is in fact a high-ranking Russian GRU officer named Oleg Vladimirovich Ivannikov.
Read McClatchy’s article here.
Research and report by Moritz Rakuszitzky, Daniel Romein, and Roman Dobrokhotov.
Additional research and editing by Aric Toler and Klement Anders.
Summary
A joint international open source investigation led by Bellingcat has identified conclusively that the person of interest known as ‘Andrey Ivanovich’ or ‘Orion’ whose identity is sought by the Joint Investigating Team in connection with the criminal investigation into the downing of MH17, is in fact Russian citizen Oleg Vladimirovich Ivannikov, born on 2 April 1967.
Bellingcat has determined with very high certainty that at the time of the downing of MH17, Oleg Ivannikov was an officer of the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Ministry of Defence (GRU), and served in that function until at least as late as September 2017.
Bellingcat has also established with very high certainty that Oleg Ivannikov, using the alias ‘Andrey Ivanovich Laptev’ in a covert operation for the Russian intelligence services, served as chairman of the Security Council (2004-2006), and as Minister of Defense and Emergencies (2006-2008) of the self-proclaimed Republic of South Ossetia.
The Bellingcat-led investigating team used primarily open source data sources to reconstruct a curriculum vitae of Oleg Ivannikov. As detailed in the biographical timeline below, Ivannikov was born in Eastern Germany as son of a decorated Russian major general, before attending a Soviet military academy in Kyiv, and graduating from the Aerospace Faculty of the Moscow Aviation Institute in Moscow in 1990. At an undetermined stage between his graduation and 2003, Ivannikov became a military officer working for GRU.
During his undercover deployment in South Ossetia from 2004 to 2008, Ivannikov provided military guidance to the breakaway region at a time when both Russia and Georgia competed for its closer reintegration. During his term in office, military tensions between South Ossetia and Georgia escalated, with Russian mercenaries joining South Ossetian militias in attacking Georgian peacekeeping forces, and at one point shooting down a Georgian reconnaissance drone.
After stepping down from ministerial position in 2008, Ivannikov pursued a PhD degree in Russia with a thesis titled “The Complex Nature of the Information War in the Caucasus”. From 2012, Ivannikov served – under his real name and credentials as ‘military expert’ – as director of the Russia-Caucasus Research Center of the state-funded International Institute of the Newly Established States. In this capacity he published more than twenty articles, mainly about the war in Syria and the conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia. Simultaneously, he continued to play a limited role in South Ossetian political life via his alter ego, establishing a research institute in South Ossetia, and at one point publicly endorsing a presidential candidate. Ivannikov continued publishing articles as director of the Russia-Caucuses Center until late 2013.
The reporting team has also determined with high certainty that Oleg Ivannikov was the person behind the covert name ‘Andrey Ivanovich’ who, according to multiple reports by Russian militant commanders and separatists fighting in the so-called ‘Luhansk People’s Republic’ (‘LNR’), was military adviser and de facto handler of the political leadership of the LNR in 2014. Ivannikov was deployed to Ukraine at an undetermined point in the first half of 2014, and remained there at least until early 2015. During his undercover deployment to LNR, he coordinated and supervised the military activities of Russian militants, pro-Russian separatists and “private army” contingents from the Wagner group. Ivannikov also supervised the procurement and transport of weapons across the Russia Ukraine border. He held these functions at the time of the downing of MH17.
The findings in this report for the first time establish the direct or indirect involvement of a high-ranking Russian military officer on active duty operating on the territory of Ukraine in the destruction of the airliner.
Andrey Ivanovich ‘Orion’: SBU intercepts and the JIT Call for Witnesses
One day after the downing of MH17 over eastern Ukraine, on 18 July 2014, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) published intercepted telephone conversations allegedly related to the criminal act that led to the deaths of all 298 people on board the plane. One conversation dated 14 July 2014 – three days before the downing – was reported to be between Oleg Bugrov, former Deputy Minister of Defense of the LNR, and a man referred to as ‘Andrey Ivanovich’ with the call sign ‘Oreon’, who, according to SBU’s description to the call, was a Russian citizen and officer of the GRU. In this conversation, ‘Oreon’ is heard boasting that “they” have come into possession of a ‘Buk’ and will start shooting down [Ukrainian military] planes with it. According to a 18 July 2014 statement by the SBU, the Buk-M1 missile launcher that downed MH17 was transported from Russia to Ukraine during the night of 16 to 17 July 2014. It is unclear from the call whether ‘Oreon’ was referring to a different Buk that had been procured in Eastern Ukraine on or before 14 July 2014, or about the Buk that was expected to arrive later that week.
MH17 - Russian GRU Commander ‘Orion’ Identified as Oleg Ivannikov - bellingcat
Litwin
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Bellingcat Links High-Ranking Russian GRU Officer To Downing Of MH17
HE HAGUE, Netherlands -- Researchers from the British-based group Bellingcat have published a report that, for the first time, establishes what they say is the involvement of a high-ranking Russian military intelligence officer in connection with the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17) over eastern Ukraine in 2014.
The May 25 report comes a day after the Dutch-led international Joint Investigative Team (JIT) said it had concluded the Buk missile that downed the MH17 was fired by Russia's 53rd Antiaircraft Missile Brigade from separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine.
Meanwhile, the Dutch government said on May 25 that the Netherlands and Australia will hold Russia legally responsible for shooting down MH17 and the deaths of all 298 people on board.
"The government is now taking the next step by formally holding Russia accountable," Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok said, adding that holding a nation-state responsible for a breach of international law would involve "a complex legal process."
Bellingcat Links High-Ranking Russian GRU Officer To Downing Of MH17
Bellingcat Links High-Ranking Russian GRU Officer To Downing Of MH17
HE HAGUE, Netherlands -- Researchers from the British-based group Bellingcat have published a report that, for the first time, establishes what they say is the involvement of a high-ranking Russian military intelligence officer in connection with the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17) over eastern Ukraine in 2014.
The May 25 report comes a day after the Dutch-led international Joint Investigative Team (JIT) said it had concluded the Buk missile that downed the MH17 was fired by Russia's 53rd Antiaircraft Missile Brigade from separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine.
Meanwhile, the Dutch government said on May 25 that the Netherlands and Australia will hold Russia legally responsible for shooting down MH17 and the deaths of all 298 people on board.
"The government is now taking the next step by formally holding Russia accountable," Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok said, adding that holding a nation-state responsible for a breach of international law would involve "a complex legal process."
Bellingcat Links High-Ranking Russian GRU Officer To Downing Of MH17
theliq
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Obama was a Great Man..Putin is a Curr...what R UAnd remember when the shoot down happened, Obama and Kerry IMMEDIATELY blamed Russia without ever providing any proof. Then they imposed economic sanctions on Russia. This is what diplomacy was like under the Great Obama. Blame a nation without providing proof and then impose sanctions. This is not diplomacy, it is stupidity. Obama was always good for doing what the ruling class told him to do.MH-17 happened on Barry Hussein's watch. Were Obama intell people out of the loop or was bisexual little Barry intimidated by Putin?
"The government is now taking the next step by formally holding Russia accountable," Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok said, adding that holding a nation-state responsible for a breach of international law would involve "a complex legal process."
Bellingcat Links High-Ranking Russian GRU Officer To Downing Of MH17
Stef Blok is totally delusional, thinking Bellingcat propaganda is actual evidence
The whole investigation is a joke since Ukraine (a major suspect) is a part of it with veto power over the conclusions
Meanwhile, we're still waiting on Kerry's evidence that proved the Russians did it, the ATC conversation with MH-17, the Ukranian radar evidence (oh wait, they were off line for maintenance), an explanation why Ukrainian BUKs were in the area (since the rebels didn't have an airforce), why the JIT ignored Russian supplied evidence from the BUK manufacturer etc.
Also, any serious investigation looks at motive and opportunity..... and in that case the main suspects would be the ukkie neo nazis...
Oh, and I am Dutch btw so don't tell me I don't care about the people that died
theliq
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You are a disgrace,with greetings from an Australian,,,NOT"The government is now taking the next step by formally holding Russia accountable," Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok said, adding that holding a nation-state responsible for a breach of international law would involve "a complex legal process."
Bellingcat Links High-Ranking Russian GRU Officer To Downing Of MH17
Stef Blok is totally delusional, thinking Bellingcat propaganda is actual evidence
The whole investigation is a joke since Ukraine (a major suspect) is a part of it with veto power over the conclusions
Meanwhile, we're still waiting on Kerry's evidence that proved the Russians did it, the ATC conversation with MH-17, the Ukranian radar evidence (oh wait, they were off line for maintenance), an explanation why Ukrainian BUKs were in the area (since the rebels didn't have an airforce), why the JIT ignored Russian supplied evidence from the BUK manufacturer etc.
Also, any serious investigation looks at motive and opportunity..... and in that case the main suspects would be the ukkie neo nazis...
Oh, and I am Dutch btw so don't tell me I don't care about the people that died
One wonders at your Motivation and State of Mind to speak such NONSENSE(NO SENSE),at the hearing of this news,I and our nation,knew Putin backed anti Ukraine Forces were patrolling this area and they did it.WE WERE RIGHT.
You need to take a good look at yourself...Putin is a Curr........theliq ps The only thing you are a member of...Is the "Toilet Bloc"
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I have two questions:"The government is now taking the next step by formally holding Russia accountable," Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok said, adding that holding a nation-state responsible for a breach of international law would involve "a complex legal process."
Bellingcat Links High-Ranking Russian GRU Officer To Downing Of MH17
Stef Blok is totally delusional, thinking Bellingcat propaganda is actual evidence
The whole investigation is a joke since Ukraine (a major suspect) is a part of it with veto power over the conclusions
Meanwhile, we're still waiting on Kerry's evidence that proved the Russians did it, the ATC conversation with MH-17, the Ukranian radar evidence (oh wait, they were off line for maintenance), an explanation why Ukrainian BUKs were in the area (since the rebels didn't have an airforce), why the JIT ignored Russian supplied evidence from the BUK manufacturer etc.
Also, any serious investigation looks at motive and opportunity..... and in that case the main suspects would be the ukkie neo nazis...
Oh, and I am Dutch btw so don't tell me I don't care about the people that died
Why did Russia blame Ukraine shortly afterwards the downing happened saying it was the Ukrainian Su-25 who did it (a jet that almost doesnt have capacity to do that)?
Why did Russia block the creation of an UN international court in this case?
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Maybe but with all the propaganda against Putin and Russia by western governments and their state run media, one should be skeptical.
Yes, but with the Russians reporting things that are clearly FAKE, like pictures of airplanes from supposed satellites at just the moment some supposed Ukrainian aircraft fired a missile at the MA flight, yet we know it came from the ground and the Russians even then accepted this.
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