(Proto)Typical White Denial: Reflections on Racism and Uncomfortable Realities

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    (Proto)Typical White Denial: Reflections on Racism and Uncomfortable Realities | The LA Progressive


    by Tim Wise –

    Not long ago, after I had written an article in which I discussed white denial–the tendency for most white folks to reject the notion that racism is still a significant obstacle for people of color in the U.S.–I received an e-mail from a white man who insisted that my argument was itself racist.

    His reason? According to his message, simply by stating that most white folks remain in denial about the extent of racism and discrimination against people of color, I had engaged in anti-white bigotry, since I had made a generalization about a racial group: in this case, the one that both he and I share.

    He went on to offer an analogy that he felt proved my argument to be racist. “What if I were to write an article where I said ‘most black people are criminals’?” he asked. “Wouldn’t that be racist against blacks?” In other words, he argued, to make any comments about racial groups is inherently racist, and so my saying that most whites were in denial was every bit as bad as saying that most blacks are criminals.

    Of course, and as I explained to him at the time, such an argument makes no sense at all. The reason it is racist to say that “most blacks are criminals,” is because such a position is based on racial stereotypes rather than factual information: it casts aspersions upon an entire group of people, based not on truth, but on the basis of ignorant prejudice. Most blacks are not criminals; indeed, the vast majority are not. There are about 28 million African Americans over the age of 12 in the U.S. (and thus eligible for inclusion in crime data), and only a small number of these (fewer than five percent) will commit a crime in a given year.

    So while it would not be racist to note that black folks have a higher official crime rate than whites–this is a fact borne out by evidence, and which doesn’t necessarily cast a characterological judgment upon those it mentions–saying that most blacks are criminals is simply a lie, and to the extent it casts aspersions upon a racial group that can lead to their continued stereotyping, a racist lie at that.

    To say that “most white folks are in denial” is not racist, because such a belief is not based on stereotypes about whites; rather, the claim is supported by what white folks actually say when asked if we believe racism to be a significant problem: the vast majority, in poll after poll answer that it is not, irrespective of the evidence to the contrary. And we have long believed that, so even in the early 1960s, at a time when in retrospect all would agree the nation was profoundly unequal in its treatment of people of color, whites told pollsters in overwhelming numbers (anywhere from sixty-five to nearly ninety percent) that blacks had equal opportunities in employment and education. White denial has been a hallmark of the nation’s racial history. Saying that is not racist, it is an incontrovertible fact.
     
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    Is not.

    We White folks are not in denial.

    Not one bit.

    I've asked a number of my White friends and they all agree.

    Tim Wise must be misinformed.

    When White folks say that racism isn't a significant problem, they are 100% accurate.

    Racism isn't a significant problem...to them.
     
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    As long as the Democrats can profit from denigrating the African race there will still be racism.
     
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    What a crock of shit. Let's go ahead and generalize white people by hiding behind an assumed "fact" based on nothing more than the author's data-less observations while crying racism at the statistical data of prison populations by demographics. Laughable, really. And typical of the kind of one way reformers who are convinced that their black asses shit turds that don't stink and any suggestion thereof must be racism.

    An estimated 12 percent of African-American men ages 20 to 34 are in jail or prison, according to a report released yesterday by the Justice Department.


    By comparison, 1.6 percent of white men in the same age group are incarcerated.


    Prison Rates Among Blacks Reach a Peak, Report Finds - New York Times


    Don't blame white people because a significant portion of your CULTURE sells crack and robs liquor stores. No one forced a single black man to act like a fucking thug.
     
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    Shogun, Willowtree, Againsheila and Gunny are in dep denial to the point of absurdity.
     
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    A significant portion of Mr Bass' people are not crack dealers, it is your people who use crack the most, in fact, your people use drugs more than anyone and users buy their drugs from people of the same race all of the time if not almost all of the time. The reason a high percentage of blacks are behind bars is the because the way "The War of Drugs" is being wage, you sissified, punkdafied, devilish cracker liberal. Our culture isn't based on selling drugs and robbing liquor stores, you speak out of ignorance and racial stereotypes.
     
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    believe you me, it isn't only the Democrats and fake white liberals that are the proble, its also Uncle Toms and mentally ill republican conservatives that make the problem worse.
     
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    Please give examples of said "Uncle Toms" and "mentally ill republican conservatives".
     
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    Who forced you to act like a black thug? :badgrin:
     
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    Sean Hannity, Jesse Lee Peterson, Ward Connerly, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Buchanan, Juan Williams, Clarence Thomas, come on, there are conservatives out there that are just straight up looney coons.
     

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