Progressives

[Procrustes Stretched]

I stole this one.

As some of us well know, there are many types of "progressives" in the world today. Some are really liberals in the purest sense, which is fine with me. Others are a varying mix of liberalism, libertarianism, and conservativism [sic]. To say that one is "progressive" does not always mean that they are liberal.

there are others like me where I once lived

 

[Father Time]

I'd say you were catching on, but I'm not quite sure what you were saying because my sarcas-o-meter alarm was ringing so loud.

You still have not presented any evidence that refutes they all want the same thing, making them similar flavors of the same philosophy. Chocolate, vanilla, strawberry.... it's all still frogurt and tastes like crap.

And what proof do you have that they all want the same thing? It's your bullshit claim, you back it up.

 

[Flopper]

Wow. Kudos to you, most people would be ashamed to show off such massive ignorance in a subject.

And yet, nobody's proven me wrong yet... and many smarter have tried.

self delusion on a massive scale.


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I doubt that anyone can prove you wrong, but you can't prove you're right. If no one can prove your statements are wrong and no one can prove they are right, then your statements are just a matter of opinion.

 

[Charles_Main]

All the progressives I've dealt with want the United States to "progress" to the condition of the USSR circa 1958.

I'll pass, thanks.

Be fair most of them don't want it to be like the USSR was. They are just stupid enough to think they are the people who can finally make Marxism actually work and not become totalitarianism.

Dumb Fuckers

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

and just cause it pees in Dante's pool

Liberalism = Socialism = Marxism = Communism = Progressivism = Fascism

They all desire to create a state run totalitarian collectivist 'utopia' powered by revenge, envy, hate and hypocrisy.

Wow. Kudos to you, most people would be ashamed to show off such massive ignorance in a subject.

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And yet, nobody's proven me wrong yet... and many smarter have tried.

self delusion on a massive scale.


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I doubt that anyone can prove you wrong, but you can't prove you're right. If no one can prove your statements are wrong and no one can prove they are right, then your statements are just a matter of opinion.

here is the opinion:
"Liberalism = Socialism = Marxism = Communism = Progressivism = Fascism"

it's ignorance on a massive scale. It's provable to be shit talkin'

and

methinks you are confused here. it happens.

 

[Big Fitz]

I'd say you were catching on, but I'm not quite sure what you were saying because my sarcas-o-meter alarm was ringing so loud.

You still have not presented any evidence that refutes they all want the same thing, making them similar flavors of the same philosophy. Chocolate, vanilla, strawberry.... it's all still frogurt and tastes like crap.

And what proof do you have that they all want the same thing? It's your bullshit claim, you back it up.

Read the thread. Use some common sense and logic and it's easy to see. I'm not going to restate everything for you. Its all there between the flame fest.

 

[Big Fitz]

And yet, nobody's proven me wrong yet... and many smarter have tried.

self delusion on a massive scale.


pos rep for this one!

I doubt that anyone can prove you wrong, but you can't prove you're right. If no one can prove your statements are wrong and no one can prove they are right, then your statements are just a matter of opinion.

When you will accept no proof or argument illustrating it, of course not.

 

[daveman]

All the progressives I've dealt with want the United States to "progress" to the condition of the USSR circa 1958.

I'll pass, thanks.

Be fair most of them don't want it to be like the USSR was. They are just stupid enough to think they are the people who can finally make Marxism actually work and not become totalitarianism.

Dumb Fuckers

Indeed. "Oh, Communism never worked because the US always interfered! When WE'RE in charge, it'll be GREAT!!"

 

[rikules]

and just cause it pees in Dante's pool

Liberalism = Socialism = Marxism = Communism = Progressivism = Fascism

They all desire to create a state run totalitarian collectivist 'utopia' powered by revenge, envy, hate and hypocrisy.

which is why we need to have LAWS to deal with these scum

we need to shut them up
we need to watch them
and follow them
we need to deny them access to our schools (where they try and brainwash our children whom we have so carefully indoctrinated with our beliefs)
we need to deny them access to politics so they can't manipulate our laws and our government
we might even need to round them up
place them in indoctrination centers
or deport them
or, for the very worst of them, try them, find them guilty of whatever crimes we can dream up and then execute them LEGALLY

because
we conservatives won't be TRUELY free until we are FREE of everything and everyone we hate and fear!

when we finally have a nation of like minded conservative christians who ONLY do what we WANT them to do

who only say what we ALLOW them to say

who will believe with all of their hearts what we TELL them to believe

THEN we will truely be a FREE NATION!

 

[Big Fitz]

and just cause it pees in Dante's pool

Liberalism = Socialism = Marxism = Communism = Progressivism = Fascism

They all desire to create a state run totalitarian collectivist 'utopia' powered by revenge, envy, hate and hypocrisy.

which is why we need to have LAWS to deal with these scum

we need to shut them up
we need to watch them
and follow them
we need to deny them access to our schools (where they try and brainwash our children whom we have so carefully indoctrinated with our beliefs)
we need to deny them access to politics so they can't manipulate our laws and our government
we might even need to round them up
place them in indoctrination centers
or deport them
or, for the very worst of them, try them, find them guilty of whatever crimes we can dream up and then execute them LEGALLY

because
we conservatives won't be TRUELY free until we are FREE of everything and everyone we hate and fear!

when we finally have a nation of like minded conservative christians who ONLY do what we WANT them to do

who only say what we ALLOW them to say

who will believe with all of their hearts what we TELL them to believe

THEN we will truely be a FREE NATION!

Although you attempt sarcasm and idological reversal... yes. You're right. You libsocioprogressomarxicommiefascists will do all these things.

It's going to be a sour day for you when you realize that's exactly what your ideology does as compared to conservatism/libertarianism.

I also expect Orwellian double think from the left. So what else is new?

But thanks for proving my point even if you thought it was a jest.

 

[Father Time]

I'd say you were catching on, but I'm not quite sure what you were saying because my sarcas-o-meter alarm was ringing so loud.

You still have not presented any evidence that refutes they all want the same thing, making them similar flavors of the same philosophy. Chocolate, vanilla, strawberry.... it's all still frogurt and tastes like crap.

And what proof do you have that they all want the same thing? It's your bullshit claim, you back it up.

Read the thread. Use some common sense and logic and it's easy to see. I'm not going to restate everything for you. Its all there between the flame fest.

Which thread did you attempt to prove such crap?

 

[Father Time]

and just cause it pees in Dante's pool

Liberalism = Socialism = Marxism = Communism = Progressivism = Fascism

They all desire to create a state run totalitarian collectivist 'utopia' powered by revenge, envy, hate and hypocrisy.

Liberalism | Define Liberalism at Dictionary.com

Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com

Marxism | Define Marxism at Dictionary.com

Communism | Define Communism at Dictionary.com

Progressive | Define Progressive at Dictionary.com

Fascism | Define Fascism at Dictionary.com

Notice how all these definitions are not the same.

 

[Woyzeck]

and just cause it pees in Dante's pool

Liberalism = Socialism = Marxism = Communism = Progressivism = Fascism

They all desire to create a state run totalitarian collectivist 'utopia' powered by revenge, envy, hate and hypocrisy.

Liberalism | Define Liberalism at Dictionary.com

Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com

Marxism | Define Marxism at Dictionary.com

Communism | Define Communism at Dictionary.com

Progressive | Define Progressive at Dictionary.com

Fascism | Define Fascism at Dictionary.com

Notice how all these definitions are not the same.

I've got a bet with myself that his answer is liberal bias or something in that vein.

Just wait until you provide detailed arguments that Fitz won't bother to read, not counter those arguments with anything substantial behind it outside "No, you're wrong," call you a child, and proclaims no one's proved him wrong. It's fun, I've been on that ride two or three times now.

 

[JBeukema]

If Fitz can read Locke and Marx (let alone Smith, Schachtman, Bakunin, Lenin, Guevara, Hobbes, Trotsky, et al) and conclude that they're the same, I question Fit's functional literacy and overall intelligence.

 

[Big Fitz]

As everyone who went to college and graduated and finally gets a REAL job learns...

Application is not the same as theory. And outcomes that are essentially the same can be reached by different tactics... making little difference to those suffering their effects.

 

[JBeukema]

So Locke and Marx are the same in practice?


Are you fucking retarded?

 

[Big Fitz]

So Locke and Marx are the same in practice?


Are you fucking retarded?

I'm not entertaining your delusions anymore, dipshit. I've explained it fine, multiple times to you and your plebiscites, but you are not ignorant, you are obstinately stupid and I have no intent on spoon feeding you reality 101. There is no need to prove anything to a blind nobody.

 

[Woyzeck]

So Locke and Marx are the same in practice?


Are you fucking retarded?

I'm not entertaining your delusions anymore, dipshit. I've explained it fine, multiple times to you and your plebiscites, but you are not ignorant, you are obstinately stupid and I have no intent on spoon feeding you reality 101. There is no need to prove anything to a blind nobody.

Yeah, you can't be proven wrong when making assertions if you never back them up in the first place. No wonder you've never been proven wrong, you've never even bothered to prove yourself right.

 

[Father Time]

As everyone who went to college and graduated and finally gets a REAL job learns...

Application is not the same as theory. And outcomes that are essentially the same can be reached by different tactics... making little difference to those suffering their effects.

So what you're saying is that if say Fascism can turn to Communism then they are the same thing?

 

[EdwardHill]

and just cause it pees in Dante's pool

Liberalism = Socialism = Marxism = Communism = Progressivism = Fascism

They all desire to create a state run totalitarian collectivist 'utopia' powered by revenge, envy, hate and hypocrisy.

THERFORE:

Conservatism = Authoritarianism= Miltonianism = Oligarchy = Regression = Anarchy