Progressive Economics = Poverty

[Dragon]

Norway is a small sample, a rounding error. Look at China, Vietnam, USSR, North Korea, Haiti, East Germany...all Progressive failures

All of those except Haiti are Communist, not progressive, and Haiti is just a basket case, definitely not progressive either.

Progressive nations include: the U.S. 1940-1980, and all EU member states today, plus Switzerland, Japan, Canada, and Australia. All successes. (That includes but is not limited to Norway.)

 

[Toro]

Norway is a small sample, a rounding error. Look at China, Vietnam, USSR, North Korea, Haiti, East Germany...all Progressive failures

Actually, other examples are;

The UK, Holland, Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Canada.

Oh, and America.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Norway: a country the size of Montana with a homogeneous population less than Brooklyn and Queens. As a nation, it's a rounding error. Without North Sea Crude it would be totally irrelevant.

None of which supported your original contention.

Norway is a small sample, a rounding error. Look at China, Vietnam, USSR, North Korea, Haiti, East Germany...all Progressive failures

Look at the USA from 2001 to 2008, a failure of almost unregulated capitalism. Witness since 2009, a recovering from failure example.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Norway is a small sample, a rounding error. Look at China, Vietnam, USSR, North Korea, Haiti, East Germany...all Progressive failures

All of those except Haiti are Communist, not progressive, and Haiti is just a basket case, definitely not progressive either.

Progressive nations include: the U.S. 1940-1980, and all EU member states today, plus Switzerland, Japan, Canada, and Australia. All successes. (That includes but is not limited to Norway.)

Progressive = Communist.

get a clue.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

None of which supported your original contention.

Norway is a small sample, a rounding error. Look at China, Vietnam, USSR, North Korea, Haiti, East Germany...all Progressive failures

Look at the USA from 2001 to 2008, a failure of almost unregulated capitalism. Witness since 2009, a recovering from failure example.

Jake <3's Obama

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank is < Hitler.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Norway is a small sample, a rounding error. Look at China, Vietnam, USSR, North Korea, Haiti, East Germany...all Progressive failures

Actually, other examples are;

The UK, Holland, Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Canada.

Oh, and America.

Yes America, annual Trillion deficits, downgraded and Debt=GDP...were you trying to say Progressives were failures?

France and Italy? Are they success stories? They are one downgraded away from WWIII

 

[JakeStarkey]

Germany and the USA are the ones holding up the failures of the right and left economically.

Frank wants to put us right there with Haiti and North Korea.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Frank is < Hitler.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank loves his Dear Leader, Obama.

 

[Toro]

Norway is a small sample, a rounding error. Look at China, Vietnam, USSR, North Korea, Haiti, East Germany...all Progressive failures

Actually, other examples are;

The UK, Holland, Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Canada.

Oh, and America.

Yes America, annual Trillion deficits, downgraded and Debt=GDP...were you trying to say Progressives were failures?

France and Italy? Are they success stories? They are one downgraded away from WWIII

Are France and Italy success stories? Yes, of course. There are over 200 countries in the world. They are in the top 30 in terms of GDP per capita. That's not as good as America but its better than most places in the world.

 

[Oddball]

Norway is a small sample, a rounding error. Look at China, Vietnam, USSR, North Korea, Haiti, East Germany...all Progressive failures

Actually, other examples are;

The UK, Holland, Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Canada.

Oh, and America.

Haven't been keeping up on current events, have you?...The Euro zone is on the precipice of total collapse....Besides that, they have either NATO (heavily carried by America) or benefit directly from American military bases to provide significantly to their national defense....Let the Euroweenies and Japan pay the full freight for their militaries and let's see how much longer that they can keep their socialist moocher states afloat.

 

[Toro]

Norway is a small sample, a rounding error. Look at China, Vietnam, USSR, North Korea, Haiti, East Germany...all Progressive failures

Actually, other examples are;

The UK, Holland, Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Canada.

Oh, and America.

Haven't been keeping up on current events, have you?...The Euro zone is on the precipice of total collapse....Besides that, they have either NATO (heavily carried by America) or benefit directly from American military bases to provide significantly to their national defense....Let the Euroweenies and Japan pay the full freight for their militaries and let's see how much longer that they can keep their socialist moocher states afloat.

The Eurozone is on the precipice because of productivity differentials between nations and no mechanism to transfer capital and labour between regions.

But that's not the point. These progressive "failures" are among the richest countries in the world, which will not change even if there are defaults.

 

[Oddball]

It's on the brink because socialism doesn't work....Too many trying to ride in the wagon and nobody wants to pull it...In the case of France, they even have laws against you trying to pull the wagon too much.

America is surviving despite Fabian socialism/progressivism, not because of it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

None of which supported your original contention.

Norway is a small sample, a rounding error. Look at China, Vietnam, USSR, North Korea, Haiti, East Germany...all Progressive failures

Look at the USA from 2001 to 2008, a failure of almost unregulated capitalism. Witness since 2009, a recovering from failure example.

Almost unregulated? Which regulations did Bush eliminate? Link?

 

[Care4all]

Norway is a small sample, a rounding error. Look at China, Vietnam, USSR, North Korea, Haiti, East Germany...all Progressive failures

Look at the USA from 2001 to 2008, a failure of almost unregulated capitalism. Witness since 2009, a recovering from failure example.

Almost unregulated? Which regulations did Bush eliminate? Link?

did he say bush eliminated the regulations during 2001-2008 and would that matter? if it does matter on whether Bush deregulated... on his own, by turning a blind eye, or if his congress deregulated, or the congress before his presidency deregulated, why does it matter?

 

[Dragon]

The U.S. has turned away from progressive economics in large part since 1981. That was when we began lowering taxes on the rich and flattening the tax system. It wasn't when we began turning away from support for organized labor (that started under Carter rather than Reagan), but it intensified under Reagan. Those two changes more than anything else have inverted a policy that used to aim at keeping wages high and income gaps narrow; now we aim at keeping wages low and encouraging income gaps to soar. As for deregulation, some of that happened under Reagan, some under his successors (including Clinton). So did free-trade agreements that encourage outsourcing.

We still have some of the institutionalized measures of the old liberal policies, particularly Social Security, unemployment insurance, and Medicare. Good thing, too -- the Lesser Recession would probably have been the Second Great Depression otherwise. But the focus of the U.S. government's economic policy has changed. And our economy has suffered as a result. We're on our way down. Our rich people are richer than ever, but they're getting that way by cannibalizing the economy. Most Americans are hurting.

It remains to be seen whether we'll come to our senses before we descend into third-world-country territory. Hopefully so.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Look at the USA from 2001 to 2008, a failure of almost unregulated capitalism. Witness since 2009, a recovering from failure example.

Almost unregulated? Which regulations did Bush eliminate? Link?

did he say bush eliminated the regulations during 2001-2008 and would that matter? if it does matter on whether Bush deregulated... on his own, by turning a blind eye, or if his congress deregulated, or the congress before his presidency deregulated, why does it matter?

I'd be willing to see how many fewer regulations we had after Clinton left office, compared to before. But I know we had a lot more.

Maybe you missed Sarbanes Oxley? Capitalism became more regulated under Bush, not less.
It matters because it's a stupid claim. Banking and real estate are 2 of the most regulated things in America. The problem isn't too few regulations. If anything, it's too many stupid, counterproductive, expensive, confusing and conflicting regulations.
Unless you think anything is almost unregulated in America today?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Todd is lying through his teeth. The poorly regulated system of business allowed the corporatists to take us all for ride, and now the weirdos of the far right want to go back to less regulation.

Not going to happen.

 

[DSGE]

Todd is lying through his teeth. The poorly regulated system of business allowed the corporatists to take us all for ride, and now the weirdos of the far right want to go back to less regulation.

Not going to happen.

What regulations would you have liked?