Probably Turkey's last years in NATO.

[computerliker]

Greetings to everyone sadly from Turkey. Religious radicalism in Turkey has proven itself again today, and it is also a sad indicator of what could happen in the long term. The opposition candidate, despite receiving 48% of the vote, is not entirely secular or against theocracy. In fact, the 30-40 conservatives and those who are closer to theocracy who won seats in the legislature with the opposition party are unfortunately the ones who in the long run could be on the side of theocracy in Turkey's potential theocracy vs secularism confrontation.

During the election campaign period, the radical religious parties included in the AKP's alliance announced in front of the cameras that they had agreed in writing and officially with the government that if they won the elections, they would be able to make changes to regulate issues such as women and homosexuality in accordance with "Islam".

By the way, even though the Fethullah Gülen sect and its members have been in serious disagreement with Akp since the wiretaps and the coup, it is a group that has been the biggest factor in Akp's current power. Even if they do not vote for Akp in this election, in a possible vote for theocracy and sharia, their preference will be for theocratic rule and sharia.

 

[JoeB131]

Greetings to everyone sadly from Turkey. Religious radicalism in Turkey has proven itself again today, and it is also a sad indicator of what could happen in the long term. The opposition candidate, despite receiving 48% of the vote, is not entirely secular or against theocracy. In fact, the 30-40 conservatives and those who are closer to theocracy who won seats in the legislature with the opposition party are unfortunately the ones who in the long run could be on the side of theocracy in Turkey's potential theocracy vs secularism confrontation.

During the election campaign period, the radical religious parties included in the AKP's alliance announced in front of the cameras that they had agreed in writing and officially with the government that if they won the elections, they would be able to make changes to regulate issues such as women and homosexuality in accordance with "Islam".

By the way, even though the Fethullah Gülen sect and its members have been in serious disagreement with Akp since the wiretaps and the coup, it is a group that has been the biggest factor in Akp's current power. Even if they do not vote for Akp in this election, in a possible vote for theocracy and sharia, their preference will be for theocratic rule and sharia.

Um, it sounds lie Ergodan won again, and he'll go back to being just as useless to NATO as he's always been.

 

[computerliker]

Um, it sounds lie Ergodan won again, and he'll go back to being just as useless to NATO as he's always been.

Erdogan did not win this election alone. We can also say that the so-called democratic-looking dictator opposition leader imposed his candidacy on the alliance and gave the election to Erdogan, whose votes dropped to 40% in the polls in 1 year.

The opposition candidate, Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, has been the head of the country's largest opposition party ( CHP ) since 2010.

 

[JoeB131]

Erdogan did not win this election alone. We can also say that the so-called democratic-looking dictator opposition leader imposed his candidacy on the alliance and gave the election to Erdogan, whose votes dropped to 40% in the polls in 1 year.

The opposition candidate, Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, has been the head of the country's largest opposition party ( CHP ) since 2010.

I guess.

If Turkey drops out of NATO, so what?

Frankly, I would be kind of a relief if it did. It's not really a democracy, it doesn't really share western values. During the Iraq War, they completely screwed us.

I'd swap Turkey for Sweden any day of the week.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Greetings to everyone sadly from Turkey. Religious radicalism in Turkey has proven itself again today, and it is also a sad indicator of what could happen in the long term. The opposition candidate, despite receiving 48% of the vote, is not entirely secular or against theocracy. In fact, the 30-40 conservatives and those who are closer to theocracy who won seats in the legislature with the opposition party are unfortunately the ones who in the long run could be on the side of theocracy in Turkey's potential theocracy vs secularism confrontation.

During the election campaign period, the radical religious parties included in the AKP's alliance announced in front of the cameras that they had agreed in writing and officially with the government that if they won the elections, they would be able to make changes to regulate issues such as women and homosexuality in accordance with "Islam".

By the way, even though the Fethullah Gülen sect and its members have been in serious disagreement with Akp since the wiretaps and the coup, it is a group that has been the biggest factor in Akp's current power. Even if they do not vote for Akp in this election, in a possible vote for theocracy and sharia, their preference will be for theocratic rule and sharia.

Why has Turkey gone more to the religious right? Probably because of the Iraq War, seeing what the US gets up to.

The US's warmongering puts some people off.

 

[Ringo]

Turkish Interior Minister: "Call us cowards if we don't destroy everyone who bothers this country, including American troops, within the next five years.
This is the first time we have had such an opportunity. This is the first time we have caught the West in a weak position. This is the first time we have seen America like this."

 

[JoeB131]

Why has Turkey gone more to the religious right? Probably because of the Iraq War, seeing what the US gets up to.

The US's warmongering puts some people off.

One Turkish intellectual recently said, "After centuries of looking down on the Arabs, we've become the Arabs."

 

[computerliker]

JoeB131 ; As a society in Turkey, we do not know what democracy is because we have not achieved democracy by demanding it as a society and fighting for it. No one knows the value of something that they get without needing it, without feeling its lack. It is the same in everyday - individual life and unfortunately also in any social, ordinary situation.

frigidweirdo ; Society in Turkey has always been closer to communism and socialism. Even though conservative - religious people dislike the word "communism" in the Ottoman period and in the Republic of Turkey, unfortunately there is no prejudice against state authority and totalitarianism. The narratives of heroism and epic history, both in the Ottoman Empire and in the achievements of the Republic of Turkey, lead people to perceive the concepts of diplomacy and alliance in foreign policy as unimportant.

Until the Cold War, the biggest social threat in Turkey was historically the Soviets/Russia. During the Cold War in Turkey, in response to the leftist groups' loyalty and cooperation with the Soviets due to their hostility towards the US ( because of the ideology of communism ), the US only established relations with and supported right-wing political groups.

Although religious radicalism is not so widespread in Turkish society, the US support for right-wing groups and the increasing success of these groups as they grow stronger, and the infrastructure in Turkey that is susceptible to radicalization in terms of the number of religious beliefs, even though religious radicalism is not widespread in the society, have allowed the snowball to move forward with the strengthening of religious groups - parties in Turkey.

After the end of the Cold War, even though the communists in Turkey had de facto failed, the traumas caused by the terror of the right-wing groups taking over the state and the government, compared to the terror of the left-wing groups, could not be erased in society. Radicalized right-wing groups and in order to justify themselves in politics and to win over left-wing people, first of all, a religious figure like Necmettin Erbakan, although he was a radical religious figure, started to garner votes and support with anti-US and anti-Israel conspiracy theories in the squares.

In other words, conspiracy theories and taboos have reached the level of schizophrenia in society and it is very difficult to expect any concrete - concrete development for the future. The sad part is that the spiritual, material and political influence of radical countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia has increased significantly in Turkish politics for years, regardless of left or right.

In this process, the politics of Europe and the United States have also contributed in a serious bad way, knowingly or unknowingly. Allowing or turning a blind eye to the fact that the AKP is operating together with the Fethullah Gülen sect and that they can take over the constitutional, legal and military institutions of a NATO country with their party members, as well as the empowerment of people with ties or sympathies with this sect in opposition politics in Turkey.

In a way to support the anti-U.S. sentiment in Turkey, the U.S. provided support to the Pkk during the Gulf Wars, and the perception that the U.S. protects the Pkk more than the Kurdistan Regional Government of Northern Iraq. (I am sure that Russia's propaganda efforts have a much bigger share in this, because the groups praising Russia in Turkey always blame the US for this situation and never say anything against Russia, even though Russia does not officially recognize the Pkk as a terrorist organization.

The March 1 Iraqi parliamentary resolution was not passed due to the perception that the US wanted to use us to divide both Iraq and us, the aggressive outbursts of the Chp administration, which was the main opposition at the time, and the support of some Akp deputies who supported it. In the long run, the perception that it is not possible for AKP and Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to do anything in Turkey with the opposition in my party or with other parties if I do not get stronger in his relations with the US and Europe has enabled Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to get more support from outside politically.

 

[ekrem]

One Turkish intellectual recently said, "After centuries of looking down on the Arabs, we've become the Arabs."

This intellectual slipped through the southern border like the other intellectuals you are receiving these days ?

 

[computerliker]

Why has Turkey gone more to the religious right? Probably because of the Iraq War, seeing what the US gets up to.

The US's warmongering puts some people off.

The mistakes and mistakes of the USA in Iraq and Afghanistan also have a large share, but I think that the main mistake is due to the fact that the USA takes England as a role model. In the past, I used to think that the US foreign policy failed because they did not take the UK as an example, on the contrary, I see that the USA is experiencing these problems because it repeats similar wrong solutions with the UK.

During the Cold War period, socialists-communists actually lost in Turkey, but radically contradictory discourses and thoughts against the United States were soon adopted by religious-conservatives and used for propaganda. The other big mistake is the initiatives like Moderate Islam, Arab Spring, Democratic Arab countries. Religious or political radicalism, totalitarianism are sensitive issues that should not be interfered with from the outside, people must pay the price for these issues and suffer so that they can learn where the results of radicalism independent of ideologies can lead to.

 

[luiza]

but I think that the main mistake is due to the fact that the USA takes England as a role model. In the past, I used to think that the US foreign policy failed because they did not take the UK as an example, on the contrary, I see that the USA is experiencing these problems because it repeats similar wrong solutions with the UK.

Not right unfortunately . UK is the leader of trouble in Khazaria and , as Ritter has detailed, the Midget War Criminal is personally handled by the Head of MI6 . The modern Deep State came from England and from Cecil Rhodes and pals . Check it out . It is all on public record. Eugenics and Fascism all rolled into one .In Germany it morphed into Nazism set up by the bankers and big hitters all over Europe and particularly America .

 

[computerliker]

This intellectual slipped through the southern border like the other intellectuals you are receiving these days ?

What would you advise there to do? Crying their eyes out at the funeral of the sheikh of the "Menzil" sect who openly violated the constitution of the Republic of Turkey in front of the cameras and the public?

The Fethullah Gülen sect was seen as sweet and honorable because it was "Muslim". The result: sectarian soldiers infiltrating the state and shooting down citizens of that state with state aircraft.

The "Menzil" sect has almost declared autonomy in its village, it has its own bus station, markets, free volunteer (!) children, private security guards, palaces and caliphs. It lacks a flag and a soldier.

Of course, just like the terrorists of Fetullah Gülen, when the Menzil sect declares war on society, then "Muslimness" falls, and the tender is left to the USA. What I resent about the US is its support for Fethullah Gülen and similar radical Islamic groups. . Saudi Arabia and Iran are looking forward to destroying each other sooner or later.

It is a huge gamble and a mistake to support religious radicalism in Turkey just to channel this radicalism a little bit better. Likewise, trying to create an alternative solution to the Islamic sectarian war by encouraging the Kurds towards ethnic racism, radicalism and the nation state is a serious mistake, just like the mujahideen who were supported and empowered in Afghanistan against the Soviets.