Silhouette
Gold Member
- Jul 15, 2013
- 25,815
- 1,938
- 265
The largest study of its kind, the Prince's Trust of the UK did a survey of over 2,000 young adults who were self-reporting and out of the influence of their formative environment. The topic was growing up without their own gender represented as a role model. The conclusion was that doing so was and is highly deterimental to their sense of self-worth and esteem and social adjustments. The net result was depression, drug use, a feeling of not belonging and even suicide.
Whereas in discussions about this survey, the LGBT's argue that the study "doesn't mention gay parents". I argue that it doesn't have to. 50% of children in any "gay marriage" would fit the category surveyed by the Prince's Trust study. Ergo, it applies to gay marriage.
I further argue that, according to the conclusion of the Prince's Trust survey, it would be better for a child to be in a single parent hetero home than a "gay married" home. My reasoning is simple and follows the line of inquiry in the survey. It is because of the "not feeling like they belong" finding in the conclusion. In a single parent home that is hetero, at least the parent would still be reaching out to the gender of the child. Take a single mother/son scenario. The mother would still be flirting with, dating and remembering the importance of the boy's gender in daily life. The boy would see this. He would internalize this. He would say to himself, "at least my gender still has a place in mom's heart".
A child of "gay parents" however would see not one iota of this message. Instead, daily this message would be to him: "your gender NEVER matters". And perhaps this is the source of this unfortunate boy's delusions: (and institutionalized child abuse in California, using the new fad "as the word of God"...more on that below) Boy Drugged By Lesbian Parents To Be A Girl US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Page 8 (the left side on the green background) http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/Youth_Index_jan2011.pdf
The next thing you will hear in this thread from the usual LGBT posters/spammers is that "you're ignoring a bunch of other studies that say gay parents do just fine!!".
And my answer to that is:
1. Those studies are affiliated with the APA, which was censured by Congress in 1999 for a study they published that depicted sexual contact between adults and minors as "benign or even good for the kids". (Page 3 at the top) http://www.nappp.org/pdf/nickcumno.pdf
2. The APA was taken over starting in the 1960s and culminating in the 1980s by what is basically a cult; gays who had even physically stormed APA conventions, knocking over booths and siezing the MC microphone to DEMAND they be taken off the crazy list (DSM manual), ironically. My Past Gay Musing and Stories 1973 WHEN HOMOSEXUALITY STOPPED BEING A MENTAL ILLNESS 1 Dec 2004 Volume 1 Issue 17 Also pay attention to the youtube video cue at 4:00
3. The APA after being so absorbed by this neo-cult simply disappeared the notion long held its governing ranks that all public positions on any topic must be backed by hard science. It was called the "Leona Tyler principle" and it was the ruling principle for decades before it was "disappeared" in the 1980s by the new ownership. A search on APA archives doesn't even find a passing reference to Leona Tyler Principle.
As to #4 below, start especially paying attention to the interveiw at 8:30 cue.
4. Now embraced by the APA is a method of "scientific survey" that is the antithesis of science. Those who know how science is done best (large surveys, objective inquiry, freedom of peer review and commentary without pressures to conform) will be shocked to learn about the APA's new cult-science methods:
(No, I'm not making this up, follow the link to the APA website)
Consensual Qualitative Research: A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena
Edited by Clara E. Hill, PhD Consensual Qualitative Research A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena
"
This lively and practical text presents a fresh and comprehensive approach to conducting consensual qualitative research (CQR). CQR is an inductive method that is characterized by open-ended interview questions, small samples, a reliance on words over numbers, the importance of context, an integration of multiple viewpoints, and consensus of the research team. It is especially well-suited to research that requires rich descriptions of inner experiences, attitudes, and convictions.
Written to help researchers navigate their way through qualitative techniques and methodology, leading expert Clara E. Hill and her associates provide readers with step-by-step practical guidance during each stage of the research process. Readers learn about adaptive ways of designing studies; collecting, coding, and analyzing data; and reporting findings.
Key aspects of the researcher's craft are addressed, such as establishing the research team, recruiting and interviewing participants, adhering to ethical standards, raising cultural awareness, auditing within case analyses and cross analyses, and writing up the study.
Intended as a user-friendly manual for graduate-level research courses and beyond, the text will be a valuable resource for both budding and experienced qualitative researchers for many years to come.
***************
Until now, the US Supreme Court has been reading APA funded/affiliated (including the AMA and many other...virtually all.. pediatric affiliates, who genuflect at the altar of the neo-APA as well as many other respectable science entitites...likely unknowing of the new APA protocols) and sponsored results in amicus briefs "as God's word" on the question of how appropriate "gay mariage" is for children's wellbeing. The Prince's Trust survey flies directly in contrast to those conclusions ; and since it is the largest survey of its kind, must by definition of "good science" be regarded as the best and most reliable source of answering how gay marriage would affect the formative environment of children (marriage).
Whereas in discussions about this survey, the LGBT's argue that the study "doesn't mention gay parents". I argue that it doesn't have to. 50% of children in any "gay marriage" would fit the category surveyed by the Prince's Trust study. Ergo, it applies to gay marriage.
I further argue that, according to the conclusion of the Prince's Trust survey, it would be better for a child to be in a single parent hetero home than a "gay married" home. My reasoning is simple and follows the line of inquiry in the survey. It is because of the "not feeling like they belong" finding in the conclusion. In a single parent home that is hetero, at least the parent would still be reaching out to the gender of the child. Take a single mother/son scenario. The mother would still be flirting with, dating and remembering the importance of the boy's gender in daily life. The boy would see this. He would internalize this. He would say to himself, "at least my gender still has a place in mom's heart".
A child of "gay parents" however would see not one iota of this message. Instead, daily this message would be to him: "your gender NEVER matters". And perhaps this is the source of this unfortunate boy's delusions: (and institutionalized child abuse in California, using the new fad "as the word of God"...more on that below) Boy Drugged By Lesbian Parents To Be A Girl US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Page 8 (the left side on the green background) http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/Youth_Index_jan2011.pdf
Page 10 (The bold largest heading above the material that followed it)In addition to indexing the happiness and wellbeing of young people, the report explores some significant demographic differences between young people. They include a comparison between those not in education employment or training with their peers...those without a positive role model of their gender in their lives (women without a positive female role model and men without a positive male role model) and their peers...those with fewer than five GCSEs graded A* to C (or equivalent) with their peers... Respondents are asked how happy and confident they are in different areas of their life. The responses are converted to a numerical scale, resulting in a number out of 100-- with 100 representing entirely happy or confident and zero being not at all happy or confident.
The Daily Mail article from the Prince's Trust study... Teens without parent role model are 67 per cent less likely to get a job Daily Mail OnlineYoung people without a role model of the same gender in their lives
Young men with no male role models in their lives and women without a mother figure struggle to keep their lives on track, a hard-hitting report warns today. The Prince’s Trust youth index, the largest survey of its kind, found that....67 per cent more likely to be unemployed than their counterparts. They are also significantly more likely to stay unemployed for longer than their peers, the report suggests....It found that young men with no male role model are 50 per cent more likely to abuse drugs and young females in the corresponding position are significantly more likely to drink to excess..
Young men with no male role model to look up to were twice as likely to turn or consider turning to crime as a result of being unemployed...The report, which was based on interviews with 2,170 16 to 25-year-olds...These young men are also three times more likely to feel down or depressed all of the time and significantly more likely to admit that they cannot remember the last time they felt proud...They are also significantly less likely to feel happy and confident than those with male role models, according to the figures....The Prince’s Trust report, which was carried out by YouGov, suggests young people without male role models are more than twice as likely to lack a sense of belonging.
The next thing you will hear in this thread from the usual LGBT posters/spammers is that "you're ignoring a bunch of other studies that say gay parents do just fine!!".
And my answer to that is:
1. Those studies are affiliated with the APA, which was censured by Congress in 1999 for a study they published that depicted sexual contact between adults and minors as "benign or even good for the kids". (Page 3 at the top) http://www.nappp.org/pdf/nickcumno.pdf
2. The APA was taken over starting in the 1960s and culminating in the 1980s by what is basically a cult; gays who had even physically stormed APA conventions, knocking over booths and siezing the MC microphone to DEMAND they be taken off the crazy list (DSM manual), ironically. My Past Gay Musing and Stories 1973 WHEN HOMOSEXUALITY STOPPED BEING A MENTAL ILLNESS 1 Dec 2004 Volume 1 Issue 17 Also pay attention to the youtube video cue at 4:00
3. The APA after being so absorbed by this neo-cult simply disappeared the notion long held its governing ranks that all public positions on any topic must be backed by hard science. It was called the "Leona Tyler principle" and it was the ruling principle for decades before it was "disappeared" in the 1980s by the new ownership. A search on APA archives doesn't even find a passing reference to Leona Tyler Principle.
As to #4 below, start especially paying attention to the interveiw at 8:30 cue.
4. Now embraced by the APA is a method of "scientific survey" that is the antithesis of science. Those who know how science is done best (large surveys, objective inquiry, freedom of peer review and commentary without pressures to conform) will be shocked to learn about the APA's new cult-science methods:
(No, I'm not making this up, follow the link to the APA website)
Consensual Qualitative Research: A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena
Edited by Clara E. Hill, PhD Consensual Qualitative Research A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena
"
This lively and practical text presents a fresh and comprehensive approach to conducting consensual qualitative research (CQR). CQR is an inductive method that is characterized by open-ended interview questions, small samples, a reliance on words over numbers, the importance of context, an integration of multiple viewpoints, and consensus of the research team. It is especially well-suited to research that requires rich descriptions of inner experiences, attitudes, and convictions.
Written to help researchers navigate their way through qualitative techniques and methodology, leading expert Clara E. Hill and her associates provide readers with step-by-step practical guidance during each stage of the research process. Readers learn about adaptive ways of designing studies; collecting, coding, and analyzing data; and reporting findings.
Key aspects of the researcher's craft are addressed, such as establishing the research team, recruiting and interviewing participants, adhering to ethical standards, raising cultural awareness, auditing within case analyses and cross analyses, and writing up the study.
Intended as a user-friendly manual for graduate-level research courses and beyond, the text will be a valuable resource for both budding and experienced qualitative researchers for many years to come.
***************
Until now, the US Supreme Court has been reading APA funded/affiliated (including the AMA and many other...virtually all.. pediatric affiliates, who genuflect at the altar of the neo-APA as well as many other respectable science entitites...likely unknowing of the new APA protocols) and sponsored results in amicus briefs "as God's word" on the question of how appropriate "gay mariage" is for children's wellbeing. The Prince's Trust survey flies directly in contrast to those conclusions ; and since it is the largest survey of its kind, must by definition of "good science" be regarded as the best and most reliable source of answering how gay marriage would affect the formative environment of children (marriage).
Last edited: