Powell admits some intelligence intentionally misleading

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    Here's the story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997766/

    There is dissension within the ranks of the Bush administration. Colin Powell obviously does not expect to be brought back for a second term as Sec. of State if Bush wins.

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    I am confused as to how you get from that article that there is dissension in the ranks and the Powell "obviously does not to be brought back for a second term..."

    As is clearly stated in the article:
    The article then goes on to say:
    Powell is just stating a fact that others in the administration have acknowledged. I think you are reading too much into this!
     
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    Powell also overruled an aide who tried to stop the interview. He said these things in contradiction to what has come out of the rest of the Bush administration. That's how you can tell there is dissension.

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    lol, you are digging now. The aide turned the camera because the allotted time was over. And that was from Russert (the interviewer) during an interview that he did today. Russert said, "we were over our time limit and the Secretary was on a tight time schedule, it is NOT UNCOMMON for such things to happen, but the Secretary was gracious and agreed to complete the interview even though WE overstepped our allotted time..."

    Russert admitted that the incident could have been edited out as it was a taped interview, but he kept it in to show how gracious the Secretary was in completing the interview.
     
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    Actually you are wrong...if you read the transcript of the interview which you can do here http://countdown.msnbc.com you here the aide saying that "they can't use it...they're editing it". It had nothing to do with time, it had to do with the fact that Powell was saying the wrong things.

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    According to Russert on Hannity yesterday they were speaking of time when she said, "they are editing it". She had no idea how he was going to reply, so why would she assume? Even Russert said it had to do with the fact he had gone over his time limit. So call him a liar if you want, but I believe him.


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    If I understand the original post is this that Powell has a new story perfectly in lockstep with the Democratic view?

    We all know how much at odds he's been with the administration since day one. But it just strikes me as odd that anyone with an anti-Bush agenda is going to really use Powell as a source for the WMD issue (at least until he retires AND doesn't sell any books).


    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,88863,00.html



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    Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical-weapons agent. We have no indication that Saddam Hussein has ever abandoned his nuclear weapons program.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    SNOW: Do you still stand by each of those statements?

    COLIN POWELL, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: Yes. I spent -- not only have I been studying this for many, many years, but, as I prepared that statement, I worked very closely with the director of central intelligence, George Tenet...

    SNOW: Who was sitting right behind you.

    POWELL: Sitting right behind me.

    That statement was vetted thoroughly by all of the analysts who are responsible for this account. We spent four days and nights out at the CIA, making sure that whatever I said was supported by our intelligence holdings. Because it wasn't the president's credibility and my credibility in line, it was the credibility of the United States of America.

    And we are sure of what we said, because he does have this kind of capability.

    Now, suddenly this week there's a big firestorm about, well, we haven't found anything yet. Well, we are going to intensify our search.

    In my statement, I also said they are masters of deception and hiding. So we are sending in an Iraqi survey group of 1,300 people who will be looking in all the places, they'll be exploiting all the documents, they'll be interviewing people.

    And I would put before you exhibit A, the mobile biological labs that we have found. Now, people are saying, well, are they truly mobile biological labs? Yes, they are.

    POWELL: And the DCI, George Tenet, director of central intelligence, stands behind that assessment.

    And my best justification for the fact that they are -- well, he said they were biological labs -- is, if they were not biological labs, I can assure you, the very next morning, the Iraqis would have pulled them out and presented them to UNMOVIC and presented them to the whole international press corps to demonstrate what they were, if they weren't that.

    SNOW: So you have no doubt that there were weapons before the war. How about now?

    POWELL: There can be no question there were weapons before the war. They have had weapons throughout their history. They have used chemical weapons. They have admitted that they had biological weapons. And they never accounted for all that they had or what they might or might not have done with it."


    He's been on the record well after the "Mission Accomplished" speech and still backed the intelligence 100%. A change of heart at this moment, signifies he's only come begging for handouts ala Bob Woodward
     
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    The conservative talk shows, etc. had to jump on this yesterday as they knew the mainstream media was going to do just as the author of this thread has done.... try to make the incident look like Powell is on the outs with the admin and being "controlled".

    If one would look for sources other than CNN or MSNBC, they might find the truth. But then again, the left usually only looks for what they "want" to hear.
     
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    its been stated before that the reason the president has Pwoell around is because he has different POV on certain situations. IF you have advisers that always agree with you, then why have advisors? This is not dissension. This is having a cabinet that can effectively advise you through a crisis. Something you wouldnt know about after 8 years of clintons "top notch" advisors.
     
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    Exactamundo. Bush made sure he has not surrounded himself with "yes men" as Clinton did.
     

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