“Poverty” pays better than middle-class employment

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    “Poverty” pays better than middle-class employment

    Exactly two years ago, some of the more politically biased progressive media outlets (who are quite adept at creating and taking down their own strawmen arguments, if not quite as adept at using an abacus, let alone a calculator) took offense at our article “In Entitlement America, The Head Of A Household Of Four Making Minimum Wage Has More Disposable Income Than A Family Making $60,000 A Year.” In it we merely explained what has become the painful reality in America: for increasingly more it is now more lucrative – in the form of actual disposable income – to sit, do nothing, and collect various welfare entitlements, than to work.

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    This is graphically, and very painfully confirmed, in the below chart from Gary Alexander, Secretary of Public Welfare, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (a state best known for its broke capital Harrisburg). As quantitied, and explained by Alexander, “the single mom is better off earnings gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income & benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income and benefits of $57,045.“


    The “welfare cliff” is far more dangerous than the “fiscal cliff” everyone is talking about these days. The welfare cliff nullifies the stated purpose of the social safety net – which, as noted, is recognized by most of the voters in all political parties. Dependency has become inescapable for too many people. The rational incentives for climbing out of that safety net have been removed, and it reaches well into what earlier generations would have called “the working poor,” rather than “welfare dependents.” There is simply no logical reason for someone on the wrong side of this cliff to climb over it, barring a remarkable turn of fortune that vaults them from the minimum wage to over $60,000 per year in a single mighty bound.

    This problem is particularly acute when the benefits piled up into that formidable cliff face are regarded as effectively “cost-free” by the beneficiaries. They simply do not believe that anyone suffers or sacrifices to provide the funding for those benefits. They think it’s all paid for with pennies skimmed from paychecks, idle loot confiscated from greedy fat cats who will never miss it, and money printed in the basement of the Treasury. Even the healthy degree of shame afforded by reliance upon private charity is removed, when benefits become “entitlements” dispensed by a soulless, impersonal bureaucracy. A lot of this stuff just shows up in your mailbox. And one of the crucial truths “compassionate” liberals have never accepted is that shame is an indispensable component of responsibility. Shame is a species of guilt, after all, and only the responsible are capable of feeling guilty.
     
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    Philadelphia has worst deep-poverty rate...
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    Of big cities, Phila. worst for people in deep poverty
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013, Philadelphia has the highest rate of deep poverty of any of the nation's 10 most populous cities; The annual salary for a single person at half the poverty line is around $5,700; for a family of four, it's around $11,700; Philadelphia's deep-poverty rate is 12.9 percent, or around 200,000 people.
     
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    This is why we can't grant citizenship to illegals. They are illiterate trash and cannot get high paying jobs and will all go on welfare given the chance. And then they will vote dem all their life as the dems well know.
     
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    That's very confusingly phrased. And there is no word "quantitied". Are we trying to say "quantized"?
     
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    The debunkery...

    Comparison of Benefits for Poor Families to Middle-Class Incomes Is Deeply Flawed ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
    Etc. follow link for more thorough trashing of OPs article, or just use common sense and look around you... how do does a single mom with in poverty with no income living off benefits compare to someone earning 67k?
     
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    What are you saying? The welfare is equivalent to a mere $50K?? Outside of health care, a single mom with say 3 kids should get a max payout ( food and shelter) of $10K a year.
     
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    I followed your link, and once I saw that one of the priorities of your source was the reduction of Greenhouse gasses:cuckoo:, well... Let's just say it isn't too hard to see which side of the fence their heart lies politically.
     
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    Just as it's not hard to see which side of the fence the OP lies on, yet you're willing to accept it and not this? Why?
     

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