Porn is ok but safety of children is not.

[Ravi]

Nope, he's in his mom's basement. But he still might get arrested any minute if they pick up the heat signature from his grow lamp.

He's hopeless, isn't he?

 

[Shogun]

Nope, he's in his mom's basement. But he still might get arrested any minute if they pick up the heat signature from his grow lamp.

No, im in YOUR mom's basement, dude.. that that heat signature isn't being caused by a lamp so much as it is being caused by the friction created while she is working for this months rent money. I'll spare you the details because I don't want you calling me Daddy.

 

[Ravi]

What if the patron that requested the filter be turned off was a sixteen year old? Would the library have to comply?

 

[mattskramer]

No, im in YOUR mom's basement, dude.. that that heat signature isn't being caused by a lamp so much as it is being caused by the friction created while she is working for this months rent money. I'll spare you the details because I don't want you calling me Daddy.

Personal attacks. Shame on you. Show some class.

 

[mattskramer]

What if the patron that requested the filter be turned off was a sixteen year old? Would the library have to comply?

Not in my book.

 

[ReillyT]

Are you suggesting that their decision is not relevant? 5-4 decisions happen and are still relevant.


indeed, hows the 07 partial birth abortion ruling holding up?

5-4 is enough. You just need 5 justices to agree to a reasoning and it becomes the law. If 5 justices decide on the outcome, but 5 justices can't decide on the reasoning, then the outcome holds, but there is no binding precendent as to the reasoning.

 

[Ravi]

Not in my book.

How about with a waiver from the parent?

 

[manifold]

Not in my book.

In my best Shogun-esque condescending tone...

Thankfully, your book is not the standard by which we all must live.

 

[Ravi]

In my best Shogunesque condescending tone...

Thankfully, your book is not the standard by which we all must live.

Why, do you think the library would be obligated to comply?

 

[ReillyT]

yea.. I kinda thought thats what you were trying to achieve.


it's cool, dude. Your opinion of it's relevance is probably about as significant as those who work at planned parenthood this side of a particular 07 scotus 5-4 decision.

It is not my opinion, it is just the way the law works. 5 justices must agree on an outcome for it to be binding. 5 justices must also agree on a reasoning of the case in order for it to be binding precendent (unless perchance the court were short staffed and only 7 justices were presiding). As I said, 5-4 is fine - that is a majority of the court.

 

[mattskramer]

How about with a waiver from the parent?

Hmmm. Tough call. Is it legal for a parent to buy porn for an under age son? If so then I think that such should be permitted in this case.

 

[ReillyT]

or, rather, the FACT of it's ruling. Say, Reilly, what was the ruling breakdown of Pico since, apparently, THAT seems to meet your precedent criteria?

I will try to find out for you, but you will have to give me a minute.

 

[Shogun]

Okay, and then let’s turn this argument around. Don’t you think that a line should be drawn somewhere? I’ll try my best to explain through questions. If the public (read “public library”) is not responsible for providing you with porn (whatever porn is), then what is the public library responsible for? What if I think that pro-Republican books are just as dangerous and despicable and offensive as porn? The library is not supposed to provide us with said books then. What if other people are offended by other stuff or other things? Then the public library will be reduced to nothing but an empty building.

Your decisions would be made due to POLITICAL motivations. Ask Reilly about how scotus specifically separated POLITICIAL motivation from removing PORN.

The library is not your RIGHT. It's a benefit. We could close down every library in America and the nation would still move along. The Constitution says nothing about preserving your public access to information. Hell, Ben Franklin's Junta was the source of public librarys but even THESE were taken from PERSONAL COLLECTIONS of books. And, the general public did NOT have access. Joe the bum didn't get to tell Ben what book to stock.


An empty building? gimme a fucking break. Net labs make up what, 5-10% of any given library floor space? The Written word going to become instinct just because you cant get it via the net?

 

[mattskramer]

Why, do you think the library would be obligated to comply?

With respect to the theme of this thread, that which is legal in the private sector should be legal in the public sector.

 

[Ravi]

Hmmm. Tough call. Is it legal for a parent to buy porn for an under age son? If so then I think that such should be permitted in this case.

I don't know if that's legal or not. And I wasn't thinking about porn, just the ability to get the filter turned off. What if the kid was doing a research project for biology class, for example?

 

[manifold]

Why, do you think the library would be obligated to comply?

No comment.

I conceded the finer meaningless points of this debate yesterday...remember?

At this point everyone has said what they think, about 17 different ways...and then some. And very little consideration has been given by anyone to points that aren't their own. Therefore, I'm just here to be entertained and to heckle from the peanut gallery.

Carry on.

 

[Shogun]

Personal attacks. Shame on you. Show some class.

Ill remind you to what this was a reply to. If you feel like being the Marshal of personal attacks feel free to broaden your scope of application.

 

[mattskramer]

Your decisions would be made due to POLITICAL motivations. Ask Reilly about how scotus specifically separated POLITICIAL motivation from removing PORN.

The library is not your RIGHT. It's a benefit. We could close down every library in America and the nation would still move along. The Constitution says nothing about preserving your public access to information. Hell, Ben Franklin's Junta was the source of public librarys but even THESE were taken from PERSONAL COLLECTIONS of books. And, the general public did NOT have access. Joe the bum didn't get to tell Ben what book to stock.


An empty building? gimme a fucking break. Net labs make up what, 5-10% of any given library floor space? The Written word going to become instinct just because you cant get it via the net?

I guess that in a similar vein, public schools face similar issues. That’s why I am so in favor of private schools. Let us end the argument, and save tax money, by selling off the public libraries and resort to private libraries and services? Would you agree with that?

 

[Ravi]

And very little consideration has been given by anyone to points that aren't their own.

Are you joking? I've learned more about how the law and SCOTUS works on this thread than I've learned anywhere else.

 

[mattskramer]

I don't know if that's legal or not. And I wasn't thinking about porn, just the ability to get the filter turned off. What if the kid was doing a research project for biology class, for example?

I commented on that earlier. I was doing research on women’s health problems and was blocked most of the time at my public library on its Internet.