Polls Vs. Clout

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    Clout wins.

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007220
     
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    immigration is the most troublesome issue for Mr. Bush because he is at odds with many Republicans. He is passionately pro-immigrant, while they are fixated on securing America's southern border. The president has little influence on Republicans on immigration and wouldn't have it even if his approval rating were 20 points higher. Instead, congressional Republicans are responding to grassroots pressure to stop the flow of illegal aliens.


    Hmm in a republic public sentiment should have some say .

    The sellout to mexico, the creeping in of spanish as a second
    language. Maybe its my German roots but it feels wrong.

    Does it help to enable the dems, nope bigger sellouts.

    Still one country on language (yes lets ignore switzerland (histoical context))
     
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    I have to agree with you on illegal immigration. I think he will be unable to avoid that fight, the people want it and 'all politics are local.' The legislators must listen to an ennervated constituency. He may just settle for 'letting his plan sit, but not sure the people will go along with that.'

    At the same time, he does seem very able to get the big things done he wants, for the most part. No doubt, it's easier to focus on the 'misses' such as immigration and so far, social security. But Roberts may well get the SCOTUS position by October and like what Bush's doing or not, he got through many tax reductions, changes in enviromental laws, too much in education laws, etc.
     
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    I am not a fan of any courts.

    I prefer politicans decide, as biased as they
    are then unelected assholes.

    When the court support my oppion I might be happy but
    I would hope the senate would take the position of common sense
    and decency.
     
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    Oh the courts have their place, just shouldn't be making laws. Congress should be stepping up to their responsibility, whether making laws that can stand judicial scrutiny or declaring war.
     
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    they well might interpretate law,but when they make up new
    policies, they have no mandate.

    While I can live with the abortion compromise that pretty much
    copies old europe, (which was subject to a political compromise there
    mostly) they just put it down the peoples throats here.

    Being that the US is more religiously fundamental it might
    not represent the peoples will.

    Not ok in my book.
     
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    Exactly, Roe V Wade MADE law, bad law. There has been a ton of journal articles on the very topic. Here's one:

    http://www.nrlc.org/news/1998/NRL2.98/kmiec298.html
     
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    I think the article has the immigration issue. I don't know any Republican conservative that is Anti immigration. We are just anti ILLEGAL immigration. I'm very pro immigration. I think we need to cut alot of the red tape for those we know aren't threats to this country. Especially Mexican immigrants. They want to come here. Let them just allow them to come here through the proper means and secude the dang boarder.

    I still think the simplist solution for the mexican illegal problem is to annex mexico. It's obvious that they want to be part of the US. The Mexican President isn't doing anything to help their problem. Let's annex Mexico. Open up investment opportunities south of the boarder. It would open a whole new labor and investment market to the American economy. Plus it would significantly shorten our southern boarder making it alot easier to maintain. I mean we are after all The United States of America, and Mexico is part of America. So why not let them unite with us? The Constitution provides a way for other states to be annexed. Why complicate things with red tape?
     

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