Poll Shows Overwhelming US Support for Police Reform, Increased Accountability

[shockedcanadian]

There are only two types of police reform the American public want..

When they don't feel threatened by crime, they wonder why we need so many police at all.

When they become a victim of crime, they cry vociferously that we don't have enough police.

Naw, man, I've been a victim of crime, and frankly, never really wanted more cops.

Most of the time it's happened, the cops didn't show up until it was too late, and really didn't do that much to help. They were.. kind of useless for the amount of money we pay them for.

That's the inconvenient truth. I heard Hannity the other day say, "what are you going to do when someone is breaking in and you and your family are home"? It was an odd thing to say because clearly the cops aren't going to be at your home in 20 seconds even if you did call, so you better be armed. It will take you 30 seconds just to tell 9/11 your situation.

I support good police, and I prefer those in uniform who do a decent job compared to the plain clothed, who at least in Canada, are operating a racket that has destroyed our civil liberties and economy. When I heard a relatively conservative mayor of a major city say, "we had no choice, we had to decide whether to feed hungry children or meet the demands of the police union in the city', I knew we were being held over a barrel, and the guys doing it didn't give a damn about who paid a price. I've met many of these operatives in Canada, they are the most disgusting among it.

In Canada, we either choose to get police budgets in line, or, we choose to continue our downward spiral on GDP per capita and standard of living. If the UN or any group tries to convince the world Canada is going in the right direction, they are simply lying. I see it all with my own two eyes, and I hear the stories.

 

[SavannahMann]

Americans do NOT want soldiers patrolling their streets.
They do NOT want armored cars running around.
There IS a price to be paid for arming your population.
A militarized police could be it. If we disarm it, can they be effective?
Can social workers and psychologists be as effective as a good assault weapon?

Until the ENEMY is at the gates. You bleeding heart role players crack me up. Without a man with a gun somewhere out there patrolling your little world you wouldn't have the freedom to draw another breath, let alone spam post anti-civilization bullshit all over the net. Truth is . . . you and tens of millions of other citizens are too cowardly to rely on anyone but a man with a gun who is willing to die for you on a moment's notice, rather than arm yourselves and be prepared to defend loved ones and your own homes. Big words little bear . . . until the enemy arrives at your gates.

Nonsense. The police are not protecting you. There have been two Supreme Court Decisions argued by the Police that have shown that the police have no duty to protect anyone. To Protect and Serve is propaganda.

Take a step back, and look at the cops in a different light. Imagine them as a gang, that controls your neighborhood, or county. This gang is not chosen by you, but is in control of you. You may not stand up to the Made Men. If you do, you suffer the consequences. Lost businesses, lost revenue, lost freedom, and probably pain. The laws they enforce change on a daily basis, what they mean. Friends of the cops, do not get bothered with the same little laws you do.

Politicians do not rule the cops. The politicians are afraid of the cops too. They dare not appear soft on crime. If they do, they lose their elections. In almost every case, the cops get whatever they ask for from the legislatures and county or city fathers.

Obama decided to restrict what equipment the Police could get from the Military after Ferguson. He removed two items from the list of things the cops could get. He did not restrict armored vehicles. Nor weapons, nor uniforms. The cops could still get M-4 and M-16 fully automatic rifles. What Obama restricted was Bayonets, and Grenade Launchers. Obama was soft on crime. Anti Police. Hated the cops. The propaganda ran rampant. Really? The cops needed grenade launchers and bayonets? Without them the cops didn’t have a chance in the streets? Why not tanks? Anyone who argues against the police having M-1 Abrams Tanks is soft on crime right?

The most effective propaganda for the cops is Hollywood. In it the cops break the rules, but they have a sixth sense to know who is bad and guilty and all that. They just know, cop instincts. So when Gibbs breaks the law to get the baddie on NCIS, he is doing it because he knows who is guilty. When the cops on NYPD Blue break the rules, it is to get the guilty guy and keep him from getting away with it.

Sadly, the truth is that when the cops break the rules in real life, innocent people go to prison. Drugs planted in cars, and on people.

You want real reform? Try this. Make the penalty for planting evidence life without parole automatically. Watch the cops walk off the job in protest.

They aren’t protecting you. They aren’t sheepdogs. They are wolves, with a Public Relations budget.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Americans do NOT want soldiers patrolling their streets.
They do NOT want armored cars running around.
There IS a price to be paid for arming your population.
A militarized police could be it. If we disarm it, can they be effective?
Can social workers and psychologists be as effective as a good assault weapon?

Until the ENEMY is at the gates. You bleeding heart role players crack me up. Without a man with a gun somewhere out there patrolling your little world you wouldn't have the freedom to draw another breath, let alone spam post anti-civilization bullshit all over the net. Truth is . . . you and tens of millions of other citizens are too cowardly to rely on anyone but a man with a gun who is willing to die for you on a moment's notice, rather than arm yourselves and be prepared to defend loved ones and your own homes. Big words little bear . . . until the enemy arrives at your gates.

Nonsense. The police are not protecting you. There have been two Supreme Court Decisions argued by the Police that have shown that the police have no duty to protect anyone. To Protect and Serve is propaganda.

Take a step back, and look at the cops in a different light. Imagine them as a gang, that controls your neighborhood, or county. This gang is not chosen by you, but is in control of you. You may not stand up to the Made Men. If you do, you suffer the consequences. Lost businesses, lost revenue, lost freedom, and probably pain. The laws they enforce change on a daily basis, what they mean. Friends of the cops, do not get bothered with the same little laws you do.

Politicians do not rule the cops. The politicians are afraid of the cops too. They dare not appear soft on crime. If they do, they lose their elections. In almost every case, the cops get whatever they ask for from the legislatures and county or city fathers.

Obama decided to restrict what equipment the Police could get from the Military after Ferguson. He removed two items from the list of things the cops could get. He did not restrict armored vehicles. Nor weapons, nor uniforms. The cops could still get M-4 and M-16 fully automatic rifles. What Obama restricted was Bayonets, and Grenade Launchers. Obama was soft on crime. Anti Police. Hated the cops. The propaganda ran rampant. Really? The cops needed grenade launchers and bayonets? Without them the cops didn’t have a chance in the streets? Why not tanks? Anyone who argues against the police having M-1 Abrams Tanks is soft on crime right?

The most effective propaganda for the cops is Hollywood. In it the cops break the rules, but they have a sixth sense to know who is bad and guilty and all that. They just know, cop instincts. So when Gibbs breaks the law to get the baddie on NCIS, he is doing it because he knows who is guilty. When the cops on NYPD Blue break the rules, it is to get the guilty guy and keep him from getting away with it.

Sadly, the truth is that when the cops break the rules in real life, innocent people go to prison. Drugs planted in cars, and on people.

You want real reform? Try this. Make the penalty for planting evidence life without parole automatically. Watch the cops walk off the job in protest.

They aren’t protecting you. They aren’t sheepdogs. They are wolves, with a Public Relations budget.

This is a powerful post, and I say the same in Canada. You are soft on crime if you ever question a massive budget.

You are also correct, that if someone is caught planting something they must do steep jail time. If they are caught lying in a court, they should face a higher punishment level for the perjury due to their positions which give them special powers of arrest and detainment.

The Security Industrial Complex in Canada is far too strong for a democratic society. We have little accountability, cops with crimes on their records take 7-10 years to fire and they receive full pay. It is indefensible.

 

[fncceo]

In Canada, we either choose to get police budgets in line

If it wasn't for those fancy uniforms ... it would be much more cost effective.

 

[fncceo]

 

[JoeB131]

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Poll Shows Overwhelming US Support for Police Reform, Increased Accountability

The increasingly visible presence of heavily armed police units in American communities has stoked widespread concern over the militarization of local law enforcement.

National debates over these heavy-handed police tactics, including so-called “militarized” policing, are often framed as a trade-off between civil liberties and public safety. However, due to limited data the costs and benefits of these controversial police practices have motivated independent research.

Studies of wide ranging administrative data sources and original experiments have shown that militarized “special weapons and tactics” (SWAT) teams are more often deployed in communities of color. Advocates claim SWAT teams increase public and officer safety, reduce crime, and are of benefit over all. Not surprisingly, analyses of law enforcement’s own records contradict the advocates’ claims.

Researchers’ findings suggest that seeing militarized police in news reports erodes public opinion toward law enforcement. Taken together, these findings strongly indicate that curtailing militarized policing may be in the interest of both police and citizens. The final determination in the case of militarized policing offers a powerful conclusion that the often-cited trade-off between public safety and civil liberties is a false choice.

Unfortunately, congress rarely, if ever, relies on research for the good of the people, including the good of the police. Politicians are, first and foremost, obliged to serve the financial interests of those individuals and corporate entities that pay for their political campaigns.

Since reducing or eliminating the sale of military hardware that ends up in police stations nationwide would hurt those financial interests, any legislation regarding police reform will never see the light of day in the federal or state legislatures. Perhaps a few token efforts by states might be made, but nothing of significance.

As with any policy change that could hurt the corporate bottom line, politicians know they can wait out the public’s anger, because the American people (especially white people) quickly lose interest in any issue that does not impact them personally.

“Black Lives Matter” and the current movement for police reform will be no different. Before summer’s end, there will be more crises to draw the public’s eye away from issues the politicians intend to ignore. In the end, actions taken by congress on other issues will, again, screw average Americans, and further enrich the billionaire class.

This recurring cycle is always easy to see, just don’t get emotionally involved and follow the money. Sadly, the politicians know, very few Americans can remain unemotional during these crises. Americans are either inspired to hatred, or empathy, and this division is the tool politicians use against average Americans to get reelected, to pass legislation hurtful to their constituents, etc. It’s been going on for decades and most people are suckers and cannot escape the scams.

Just look at the two crooks running for president in 2020. If you defend either one...sorry, you are one of those suckers.

'This Is Why We March': Poll Shows Overwhelming US Support for Police Reform, Increased Accountability








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Twinkie, obviously, you don't understand what "Defund the Police" means. It doesn't mean getting rid of them, it means diverting their fund to useful programs...

 

[Gantlemagne]

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Poll Shows Overwhelming US Support for Police Reform, Increased Accountability

The increasingly visible presence of heavily armed police units in American communities has stoked widespread concern over the militarization of local law enforcement.

National debates over these heavy-handed police tactics, including so-called “militarized” policing, are often framed as a trade-off between civil liberties and public safety. However, due to limited data the costs and benefits of these controversial police practices have motivated independent research.

Studies of wide ranging administrative data sources and original experiments have shown that militarized “special weapons and tactics” (SWAT) teams are more often deployed in communities of color. Advocates claim SWAT teams increase public and officer safety, reduce crime, and are of benefit over all. Not surprisingly, analyses of law enforcement’s own records contradict the advocates’ claims.

Researchers’ findings suggest that seeing militarized police in news reports erodes public opinion toward law enforcement. Taken together, these findings strongly indicate that curtailing militarized policing may be in the interest of both police and citizens. The final determination in the case of militarized policing offers a powerful conclusion that the often-cited trade-off between public safety and civil liberties is a false choice.

Unfortunately, congress rarely, if ever, relies on research for the good of the people, including the good of the police. Politicians are, first and foremost, obliged to serve the financial interests of those individuals and corporate entities that pay for their political campaigns.

Since reducing or eliminating the sale of military hardware that ends up in police stations nationwide would hurt those financial interests, any legislation regarding police reform will never see the light of day in the federal or state legislatures. Perhaps a few token efforts by states might be made, but nothing of significance.

As with any policy change that could hurt the corporate bottom line, politicians know they can wait out the public’s anger, because the American people (especially white people) quickly lose interest in any issue that does not impact them personally.

“Black Lives Matter” and the current movement for police reform will be no different. Before summer’s end, there will be more crises to draw the public’s eye away from issues the politicians intend to ignore. In the end, actions taken by congress on other issues will, again, screw average Americans, and further enrich the billionaire class.

This recurring cycle is always easy to see, just don’t get emotionally involved and follow the money. Sadly, the politicians know, very few Americans can remain unemotional during these crises. Americans are either inspired to hatred, or empathy, and this division is the tool politicians use against average Americans to get reelected, to pass legislation hurtful to their constituents, etc. It’s been going on for decades and most people are suckers and cannot escape the scams.

Just look at the two crooks running for president in 2020. If you defend either one...sorry, you are one of those suckers.

'This Is Why We March': Poll Shows Overwhelming US Support for Police Reform, Increased Accountability








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What I propose is a militarization of the police. Greater accountability as a branch of the National Guard. More oversight. The police budget as part of the military/National Guard budget. The ability to deploy police officers as one deploys military troops, an actually war on crime.

But in My Police State, cannabis and samesexed marriages are legal. Alcohol drinking in public is legal. A state akin to a prostitute free Amsterdam nation. Everyone have fun and get along with your neighbors, but if you are a genocidal maniac, the hammer will strike you. They, the National Guard Police will be lions among Us.

 

[Gantlemagne]

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Poll Shows Overwhelming US Support for Police Reform, Increased Accountability

The increasingly visible presence of heavily armed police units in American communities has stoked widespread concern over the militarization of local law enforcement.

National debates over these heavy-handed police tactics, including so-called “militarized” policing, are often framed as a trade-off between civil liberties and public safety. However, due to limited data the costs and benefits of these controversial police practices have motivated independent research.

Studies of wide ranging administrative data sources and original experiments have shown that militarized “special weapons and tactics” (SWAT) teams are more often deployed in communities of color. Advocates claim SWAT teams increase public and officer safety, reduce crime, and are of benefit over all. Not surprisingly, analyses of law enforcement’s own records contradict the advocates’ claims.

Researchers’ findings suggest that seeing militarized police in news reports erodes public opinion toward law enforcement. Taken together, these findings strongly indicate that curtailing militarized policing may be in the interest of both police and citizens. The final determination in the case of militarized policing offers a powerful conclusion that the often-cited trade-off between public safety and civil liberties is a false choice.

Unfortunately, congress rarely, if ever, relies on research for the good of the people, including the good of the police. Politicians are, first and foremost, obliged to serve the financial interests of those individuals and corporate entities that pay for their political campaigns.

Since reducing or eliminating the sale of military hardware that ends up in police stations nationwide would hurt those financial interests, any legislation regarding police reform will never see the light of day in the federal or state legislatures. Perhaps a few token efforts by states might be made, but nothing of significance.

As with any policy change that could hurt the corporate bottom line, politicians know they can wait out the public’s anger, because the American people (especially white people) quickly lose interest in any issue that does not impact them personally.

“Black Lives Matter” and the current movement for police reform will be no different. Before summer’s end, there will be more crises to draw the public’s eye away from issues the politicians intend to ignore. In the end, actions taken by congress on other issues will, again, screw average Americans, and further enrich the billionaire class.

This recurring cycle is always easy to see, just don’t get emotionally involved and follow the money. Sadly, the politicians know, very few Americans can remain unemotional during these crises. Americans are either inspired to hatred, or empathy, and this division is the tool politicians use against average Americans to get reelected, to pass legislation hurtful to their constituents, etc. It’s been going on for decades and most people are suckers and cannot escape the scams.

Just look at the two crooks running for president in 2020. If you defend either one...sorry, you are one of those suckers.

'This Is Why We March': Poll Shows Overwhelming US Support for Police Reform, Increased Accountability








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What I propose is a militarization of the police. Greater accountability as a branch of the National Guard. More oversight. The police budget as part of the military/National Guard budget. The ability to deploy police officers as one deploys military troops, an actually war on crime.

But in My Police State, cannabis and samesexed marriages are legal. Alcohol drinking in public is legal. A state akin to a prostitute free Amsterdam nation. Everyone have fun and get along with your neighbors, but if you are a genocidal maniac, the hammer will strike you. They, the National Guard Police will be lions among Us.

We can call it, Hippie Fascism, and I'm ok with that.

 

[KoalaCorp]

And how OFTEN do cops shoot people?
99% of their job is conflict resolution!
Treating cops like soldiers is ridiculous. Being able to shoot, should be WAY down on their list of abilities.
And using a Home Invasion scenario as an example is NOT realistic, because they do NOT happen very often.

 

[Agit8r]

https://www.newsweek.com/54-americans-think-burning-down-minneapolis-police-precinct-was-justified-after-george-floyds-1508452

 

[pknopp]

https://www.newsweek.com/54-americans-think-burning-down-minneapolis-police-precinct-was-justified-after-george-floyds-1508452

Even considering the poor standing of polls that is pretty strong. The cold dead glassy stare of Officer Cauvin has woke a lot of people up.