Poll reveals what a huge blunder Iraq was

[Camp]

You can't blame Vice President Dick Cheney for being upset that President Obama threw away the U.S. victory in Iraq just because he was hell bent on getting out of a war because it "wasn't his".

Remember, Iraq was pretty secure and stable in Jan. 2009 when President Obama took over. If President Obama had agreed to leave 23,000 troops in Baghdad it almost certainly would be.

Remember also, people defending Obama said he could not agree to leave U.S. troops in Iraq because Iraq would not agree to a status of forces agreement that kept U.S. troops from being tried in Iraqi courts.

What they forget is that the U.S. military recommended keeping 23,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. Obama refused.

They then recommended 14-18,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. Obama refused.

They then took their recommendation down to 10,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. Obama refused.

Obama eventually agreed to keep only 3,000 U.S. soldiers in Iraq. Malaki was not going to go to bat politically just to keep only 3,000 U.S. troops in country so he said the hell with it.

No matter how you cut it, President Obama had plenty of opportunities to keep a decent sized U.S. force in Iraq that would have prevented all this from even being attempted.

But Obama threw it all away.

When you have 10,000 civilian casualties from combat collateral and random bombings in a year and on average have one American killed in action every day you don't get to claim your area of operations to be secure and stable.

 

[PredFan]

Iraq

CNN/ORC Poll. Sept. 6-8, 2013. N=1,022 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.

The poll found that the majority of Americans have felt Iraq was a mistake from the beginning.

"In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq, do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or not?"

And to see DICK defend such a misguided and contrived decision is just sickening. He is a rich, old, delusional old man that needs to just go away.

Are you REALLY stupid enough to think that an opinion poll actually determines wether a military strategy or action was worthless or not?

I mean I know you are a democrat but even taking that level of stupidity into account, I still am shocked that you could be that brain dead.

 

[KNB]

The military strategy in Iraq was worthless because of the fact that the CIA created the modern jihad specifically to be able to fight a prolonged guerrilla war against an invading world superpower.

The war was lost when Bush invaded. The fact that Bush lied to invade Iraq makes it criminal. The fact that Bush tortured POWs makes him a war criminal.

 

[JimH52]

Our venture into Iraq will go down in history as one of the greatest blunders of all time. W did not understand the religious and tribal divides in the country. He thought, as any good cowboy would, that he could throw some missiles at Saddam and replace him and then the people would fall at his feet in admiration. His "war of choice" costs about a trillion dollars, over 4500 millitary lives, and an untold number of innocent Iraqis.

WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE CAN NEVER WIN A WAR OF CHOICE.

If McCain or Romney had won the WH, we will be bombing northern Iraq right now.

 

[mascale]

The concept of taking what amounts to three nations, on its face, as One-Iraq--without a Baathist faction--was likely the basis flaw in attempting to oust Saddam Hussein in the first place. The Cult of Personality, moderately socialist to boot, was easily a moderninzing foil against the various religious factions. There was a true Uniter, as opposed to, "They really do long division at Yale University?" or however that was said.

Once the Sunni's were out, then the next best course was to keep the Baathists, intact, running the bureaucracy and army. Probably no Saudi Prince will ever again visit Texas, likely ever in history. Stupid was to actually prevent the technocrats, from continued roles in the post-Saddam regime. The Saudis were alarmed at the time!

So the selected alternative was to do a George Armstrong Custer. Go in armed to the teeth and see if anyone at all. . . .gets really pissed off! How, in fact, can anyone explain a Republican foreign policy, even to Israel(?). The GOP idea will be to send in General Sherman to free the Palestinians(?)! Then even when the military leaves, then all the high tech ordinance fails to leave along with them(?). NRA will be on board!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Great Spirit now rising again, even, in the newly enriched, Penny Stocks arena!)

 

[MaryL]

Please...I remember back after the invasion in 03, chat boards were abuzz with support of the invasion, and neigh sayers characterized as stupid uniformed bad people that didn't understand the situation. I opposed the Bush administration's reasoning for the invasion, and was appalled that so many people caved into mass delusion. I feel the same about illegal immigration and the homosexual rights agenda NOW. Mass delusions. One day, most of you will realize just what a mistake cottoning to those agendas is similar and just as cowardly. Not now though, it takes time.

 

[JimH52]

Please...I remember back after the invasion in 03, chat boards were abuzz with support of the invasion, and neigh sayers characterized as stupid uniformed bad people that didn't understand the situation. I opposed the Bush administration's reasoning for the invasion, and was appalled that so many people caved into mass delusion. I feel the same about illegal immigration and the homosexual rights agenda NOW. Mass delusions. One day, most of you will realize just what a mistake cottoning to those agendas is similar and just as cowardly. Not now though, it takes time.

Recall how the French told W he was full of sh*t and he and DICK started a trend calling French fries, American fries? It seems many people were drinking the Kool-Aid in those days.

Well, the French were right. W and DICK were lying about the WMDs.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Wait. So Saddam wasn't a murderous evil motherfucker?

He DIDN'T have rape rooms?

He didn't invade Kuwait?

He never used WMDs on the Kurds?

It was ALL just a lie?

Wow.

That's real news.

Link therefore needed.

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But we needed a new Hitler to justify a huge military, the USSR had fallen apart.

So we snookered him into invading Kuwait by pretending not to care.

^

No. Of course. Clearly. That's what "we" did. We "snookered" Saddam into invading another country by pretending not to care.

That's beyond your usual depth of stupidity, blind deaf and dumb dog poo. But, let's pretend that you have a point.

If so, then what the FUCK is Obama's cavalier disregard of foreign affairs snookering Russia, China, the ISIS and others into believing?

 

[Darkwind]

Iraq

CNN/ORC Poll. Sept. 6-8, 2013. N=1,022 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.

The poll found that the majority of Americans have felt Iraq was a mistake from the beginning.

"In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq, do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or not?"

And to see DICK defend such a misguided and contrived decision is just sickening. He is a rich, old, delusional old man that needs to just go away.

A predetermined answer to a question.....I wonder who wanted that answer?



BTW....more people have died under Obama than Bush....yet, I hear no outcry from the left.....I wonder why.

 

[paperview]

Iraq

CNN/ORC Poll. Sept. 6-8, 2013. N=1,022 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.

The poll found that the majority of Americans have felt Iraq was a mistake from the beginning.

"In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq, do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or not?"

And to see DICK defend such a misguided and contrived decision is just sickening. He is a rich, old, delusional old man that needs to just go away.

A predetermined answer to a question.....I wonder who wanted that answer?



BTW....more people have died under Obama than Bush....yet, I hear no outcry from the left.....I wonder why.

Er....Oh really?

You want to back that up with a link, big boy?

 

[The Rabbi]

Iraq

CNN/ORC Poll. Sept. 6-8, 2013. N=1,022 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.

The poll found that the majority of Americans have felt Iraq was a mistake from the beginning.

"In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq, do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or not?"

And to see DICK defend such a misguided and contrived decision is just sickening. He is a rich, old, delusional old man that needs to just go away.

A predetermined answer to a question.....I wonder who wanted that answer?



BTW....more people have died under Obama than Bush....yet, I hear no outcry from the left.....I wonder why.

Er....Oh really?

You want to back that up with a link, big boy?

Hey, go disprove it yourself. You can't make yourslef look any more foolish, uninformed, and hopeless than you have already.

 

[Camp]

A predetermined answer to a question.....I wonder who wanted that answer?



BTW....more people have died under Obama than Bush....yet, I hear no outcry from the left.....I wonder why.

Er....Oh really?

You want to back that up with a link, big boy?

Hey, go disprove it yourself. You can't make yourslef look any more foolish, uninformed, and hopeless than you have already.

No, you should have to prove it because most of us probably understand that you are making a mistake by only thinking about the American KIA's in Afghanistan and the allegation of more people died was made about deaths in general, to include Iraq, Afghan security forces,civilians, and of course, Iraq civilians and security forces.

Unless your are talking about "most" al Qaeda and Taliban killed, in that case you may be correct in accessing that Obama has killed more.

 

[paperview]

A predetermined answer to a question.....I wonder who wanted that answer?



BTW....more people have died under Obama than Bush....yet, I hear no outcry from the left.....I wonder why.

Er....Oh really?

You want to back that up with a link, big boy?

Hey, go disprove it yourself. You can't make yourslef look any more foolish, uninformed, and hopeless than you have already.

Ah, The Rabbi is here to suck on Darkwind's dick I see.

Maybe Darkwind can push your head away and speak for himself to back up his claim.

Let's see.

 

[Kosh]

Oh my the far left still thinks the history of Iraq started in 2003.

 

[Stephanie]

well whoopee, you could find a poll for any war that say's they were a huge blunder

now that you found this how many more of our Iraq vets you all care to spit on to make yourself and Obama out to be some hero

We had Iraq on its way to freeing the people from a dictator, holding their first FREE and fair elections, to voting for a GOVERNMENT


and Obama and you supporting him has let it go all to hell and our military and their families efforts and Sacrifices is all in Vain

be proud you think this something you have to beat your chest like apes over...

You Obama supporters and Obama be damned

 

[asaratis]

Iraq

CNN/ORC Poll. Sept. 6-8, 2013. N=1,022 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.

The poll found that the majority of Americans have felt Iraq was a mistake from the beginning.

"In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq, do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or not?"

And to see DICK defend such a misguided and contrived decision is just sickening. He is a rich, old, delusional old man that needs to just go away.

A post-war poll on the decision to enter it means NOTHING! Entering Iraq was a bi-lateral move, backed by Congress on both sides of the aisle. The results can be nothing more than a compilation of opinions based upon happenings up to the date of the poll.

Had this latest upheaval not come about, the results would be completely different. It is Obama's total removal of U.S. troops that caused the reappearance of violence in the ethnic struggle that was predicted to happen in the absence of peacekeeping forces.

We have thousands of troops permanently based in Korea, Germany and other countries around the world. Obama offered such meager presence in Iraq (after cutting the recommendation of his generals that 30,000 troops be left behind) that the Iraqis turned it down. Obama wants you to think they refused it from the beginning.

This battle belongs to Obama....not on the original decision to enter and oust Saddam Hussein....something that was passed in Congress and signed into law by BILL CLINTON....before Bush and Cheney got in office.

Dimwitted libs seem to forget the FACTS!

 

[asaratis]

Our venture into Iraq will go down in history as one of the greatest blunders of all time. W did not understand the religious and tribal divides in the country. He thought, as any good cowboy would, that he could throw some missiles at Saddam and replace him and then the people would fall at his feet in admiration. His "war of choice" costs about a trillion dollars, over 4500 military lives, and an untold number of innocent Iraqis.

WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE CAN NEVER WIN A WAR OF CHOICE.

If McCain or Romney had won the WH, we will be bombing northern Iraq right now.

Our "election" of the first black President, a community organizer from the festering sore of the Chicago political machine will go down as THE GREATEST blunder in the history of the United States!

Your boy Obama seems too stupid to realize that he should have taken the advice of his military leaders and left 30,000 troops there for a while longer.