Poll: Republican House Majority Vulnerable In 2012

[thereisnospoon]

A recent CBS/New York Times poll

what's the matter, honey? it's not from rasmussen or fauxnews?

you know that people fund their own polls to design strategy.

that said, they also do it to intimidate their adversaries. repubs do it all the time. it's part of the game.

politics is a full contact team sport.

You really want to go down that road?
OK, since you have admitted your side works in the gutter, is it your opinion that it is appropriate for a democrat candidate ti use any means necessary to get elected?
On to polls.
You admit polls are essentially not based in the truth. Ok.. SO why is it when a poll is favorable to democrats, your people live and die by it as though it were the gospel?
Look, intelligent and logical people who keep themselves informed realize that polls are for those who do not pay attention to anything that does directly affect them. Polls are for the Two car two kid two job family that except to cart their little cupcakes to all their structured activities never leave their house except to go to work. These people are what 10 second sound bites were made for. These are the people polls try to reach. These are the most dangerous people in the nation. The uninformed electorate.
I don't care if they vote R or D...People like this should not be allowed to vote because they don't take the time to learn about the issues and the news of the day. 75% of these people could not name their US House district member or one of their two US Senators. Ans they damned well could not name their local state house rep either. These people are the dummies for which polls are made.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Tea Party is at it's most unpopular. Nobody should be surprised

Poll: Tea Party approval reaches new low - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

Hey sewer dweller...Anyone can write what their viewpoint and put it in a blog. Doesn't make it true.
Really? How many times are you people on the left going to post blogs and opinions from your favorite liberal sources like the huffandpuffington post and pass them off as news?
How many times are you going to get busted making up stuff?
Unreal.
I could go to right wing blogs find opinions 180 degrees from yours and post them here as well. I am not going to do that because I know it is just one person's viewpoint. That is a waste of time. Besides, we do not get our news from opinionated sources we do not post opinions and try to pass them off as news You people do that.
I think the methane gas is getting to you ,Norton.

CNN/Opinion Research is not a blog. Now I know it doesn't bear the weight of a FoxNews or Rassmussen poll but across the board, Tea Baggers are not polling well. Not just as a member of the Tea Party but as individual candidates.
Individual Tea Baggers are poorly organized and poorly funded. More important they are blundering on critical issues like the economy (not just taxes and spending), their willingness to bring the country to it's knees to make a point, social issues and being anti labor

Polls are for the uninformed. They don't count.
This is wishful thinking on your part CNN is a liberal biased news outlet. That is a fact.
Just what the hell kind of results do you think CNN is going to publish?
Have you seen the questions? How many people participated? OF what demographic groups? What parts of the country? How many questions were asked? How were they worded?..
You see Norton, none of this matters. Because on Nov 7 2012 the people of the US are going to look to blame someone for their economic troubles. And the party in the majority ALWAYS gets the blame. That means the Senate goes GOP and the White House as well.
One other thing, the democrats will be desperate to come up with viable candidates for US House because incumbency is tougher in the House.
You don't like my response, do your own research. On the history of elections regarding economy and other factors. And stop it with the polls. Polls are a narcotic for the stupid wishful thinkers.

 

[Dragon]

Polls are for the uninformed. They don't count.

This has to rank with the most ignorant statements I've ever seen, in that it is an actual endorsement of ignorance itself.

Re the poll in the OP, yes, the Republicans are extremely vulnerable right now, but that will not automatically translate into a Democratic victory. To understand this, you need to realize that most Americans want something now that neither party is offering.

On issue after economic issue, the American voters' political center is substantially to the left of the Democrats.

Not between the Dems and Reps. To the left of the Dems. (On social issues that's not true, but on economic issues it is.)

Someone mentioned health care reform above and that most people wanted the ACA to do more than it does. That's true. In fact, this is true:

Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer

A majority wants higher taxes on the rich. A HUGE majority thinks that corporations have far too much influence on the government, and another HUGE majority thinks that our economic system gives too much to the rich and wants narrower income gaps. A majority wants the government to focus on jobs at this time rather than the deficit. A majority supports collective bargaining rights for workers.

The opportunity for Democrats, if they really were the progressive party they claim to be, is obvious. But will they take advantage of it? Will they listen to the voice of the people, or continue instead to toe the lines drawn by the corporations that fund their reelection campaigns?

It's in their hands. Given the unrest on the ground and the demand among the voters for progressive solutions, if the Democrats are ready to make their pretended liberalism real, Wall Street be damned, then they will win in a landslide.

If not, they won't.

 

[BenNatuf]

Seriously, you liberals live in a fantasy world. yes, IL and CA made redistricting plans that will unseat a few GOP congressmen, and NC made a few that will go the other way, and IN, OH, MI and PA all elliminated dem seats. The house is more likely to be a wash than a victory for either side with either the GOP or Democratics picking up 1 or 2 seats.

 

[rightwinger]

Hey sewer dweller...Anyone can write what their viewpoint and put it in a blog. Doesn't make it true.
Really? How many times are you people on the left going to post blogs and opinions from your favorite liberal sources like the huffandpuffington post and pass them off as news?
How many times are you going to get busted making up stuff?
Unreal.
I could go to right wing blogs find opinions 180 degrees from yours and post them here as well. I am not going to do that because I know it is just one person's viewpoint. That is a waste of time. Besides, we do not get our news from opinionated sources we do not post opinions and try to pass them off as news You people do that.
I think the methane gas is getting to you ,Norton.

CNN/Opinion Research is not a blog. Now I know it doesn't bear the weight of a FoxNews or Rassmussen poll but across the board, Tea Baggers are not polling well. Not just as a member of the Tea Party but as individual candidates.
Individual Tea Baggers are poorly organized and poorly funded. More important they are blundering on critical issues like the economy (not just taxes and spending), their willingness to bring the country to it's knees to make a point, social issues and being anti labor

Polls are for the uninformed. They don't count.
This is wishful thinking on your part CNN is a liberal biased news outlet. That is a fact.
Just what the hell kind of results do you think CNN is going to publish?
Have you seen the questions? How many people participated? OF what demographic groups? What parts of the country? How many questions were asked? How were they worded?..
You see Norton, none of this matters. Because on Nov 7 2012 the people of the US are going to look to blame someone for their economic troubles. And the party in the majority ALWAYS gets the blame. That means the Senate goes GOP and the White House as well.
One other thing, the democrats will be desperate to come up with viable candidates for US House because incumbency is tougher in the House.
You don't like my response, do your own research. On the history of elections regarding economy and other factors. And stop it with the polls. Polls are a narcotic for the stupid wishful thinkers.

Polls are snapshots of a point in time. While they don't show the big picture or predict the future, they are useful in showing where you are right now.

Right now, the Tea Baggers are not that popular. Their lack of qualifications and simplistic policies to go along with their unwillingness to play well with others are going to hurt them. Buyers remorse on what a Tea Bagging representative really means are going to be reflected in the polls.

 

[Flopper]

More: Republican House Majority Vulnerable In 2012: Poll

In spite of the efforts of house republicans, economic recovery appears to be accelerating. Each uptick in the economy is a nail in the Republican coffin.

That's your opinion.
Tell that bullshit to the 15 million people who are out of work, underemployed or working part time temporary. THAT is Obama's legacy.
Unlike you lefties, the rest of us do not look to government to do things for us. We want government the hell out of our way. Businesses do not expand and consumers do not open their wallets on the say so of some new government program. They do these things when they are confident government IS NOT going to come up with some new program.
Do you really think Obama's latest spending scheme( jobs bill which is just another stimulus) is going to make a significant difference in the economy or unemployment or the housing market? Are you really that naive?
Obama is in full campaign mode. First it's this silly tax inc....oops, jobs bill. Then he panders to college students and grads who are whining like little brats that they can't pay off their student loans. Well boo fucking hoo hoo. Everyone else before them did it. Even in poor economic times. There was no student bail out. Again, Obama using the Office of POTUS in full campaign mode. Now Obama is threatening the Congress and the American people with his pen. He has had it with everyone and he's putting his foot down. The AKOTUS is BACK....Yes the Ass Kicker in Chief is going to leave no stone unturned. He will have his attorneys find every loophole in the federal law and the US Constitution that allows him with the stroke of a pen to change the entire country.
Just who the fuck does this guy think he is.
With the first unpopular executive order, it is the end of any chance Obama has of winning a second term. Americans do not like being backed into a corner. They do not like feeling powerless. And a president that acts unilaterally and without the consent of Congress will make them feel powerless. And that will make them angry.
You lefties yelled a collective "Yippie" when Obama made the announcement he was going to rule by executive order. Be careful what you wish for. NO one ,I mean no one gets things their own way all the time. If they do, they will eventually pay for it. And that payback is usually very very unpleasant.

And that's your opinion. There is a time for austerity in government and there is a time for government stimulus. When the economy is expanding rapidly, we should cut government spending. Only a fool would argue for massive cuts in government spending when we have massive unemployment.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

And this will only get worse for the GOP during the next year as the House continues to do nothing and the American people continue to suffer accordingly.

Guess, again!!

House GOP DESTROYED
370,000 Job$

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[thereisnospoon]

Polls are for the uninformed. They don't count.

This has to rank with the most ignorant statements I've ever seen, in that it is an actual endorsement of ignorance itself.

Re the poll in the OP, yes, the Republicans are extremely vulnerable right now, but that will not automatically translate into a Democratic victory. To understand this, you need to realize that most Americans want something now that neither party is offering.

On issue after economic issue, the American voters' political center is substantially to the left of the Democrats.

Not between the Dems and Reps. To the left of the Dems. (On social issues that's not true, but on economic issues it is.)

Someone mentioned health care reform above and that most people wanted the ACA to do more than it does. That's true. In fact, this is true:

Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer

A majority wants higher taxes on the rich. A HUGE majority thinks that corporations have far too much influence on the government, and another HUGE majority thinks that our economic system gives too much to the rich and wants narrower income gaps. A majority wants the government to focus on jobs at this time rather than the deficit. A majority supports collective bargaining rights for workers.

The opportunity for Democrats, if they really were the progressive party they claim to be, is obvious. But will they take advantage of it? Will they listen to the voice of the people, or continue instead to toe the lines drawn by the corporations that fund their reelection campaigns?

It's in their hands. Given the unrest on the ground and the demand among the voters for progressive solutions, if the Democrats are ready to make their pretended liberalism real, Wall Street be damned, then they will win in a landslide.

If not, they won't.

Fine. Your opinion. It's the truth. And it's a fact. Question....If the majority of people kept themselves informed what then would be the use of polls?.
Polls used to be about current events. Now polls ARE the news. In the event of a particular political agenda, those supporting that agenda will commission a poll to gain support for said agenda. Clinton governed by polls. Polls are simply an extension of the ten second sound bite.
You have an opinion that you crafted based on this poll. Essentially the poll results told you what to think. You liked the results of the poll and how those results were reported. Then you simply said to yourself "Uh huh, See I knew it!"..
Now...Since you opened the door ( I love these little traps in which you people ensnare yourselves), you stated "Americans want something now". What is it that Americans want done, now.
Here's the rub. You people insist on believing government is the answer to your problems
You are convinced that all prosperity flows through the actions of government. You people despise the idea of individualism and self determination. Your view is popular among those who have no stake in anything except the arrival date of their next government check.
Next item. " the American voters' political center is substantially to the left of the Democrats."....That has to be USMB quote of the year. Not only is it amusing stupid. It's patently false. Since you seem to be easily led by polls. I will throw this at you....Duck.
After the 2010 elections, democrats and liberals were shocked over losing a combined 600 seats to the GOP taking into account for federal and state contests. There were two or three polls commissioned to find out just what went wrong. The polls all signified that about 20% of the respondents identified themselves as Liberal. Nearly 50% identified themselves as right leaning moderate or conservative. While the remainder gave no ideological preference. Fact, most Americans are fiscally conservative and socially moderate.
I want you to prove your claim that the majority of us are "substantially to the left of the democrats"...Umm one thing that stops that theory in it's tracks is if that were true, election of conservative candidates would be almost impossible.
BTW, WHAT is father to the left of the democrats?.
I am not going to acknowledge liberal blogs. Americans want single payer. Please don't even go there. That's ridiculous. I could only imagine the question by which they arrived at that result. "Would you be in favor a health insurance system that allows you to receive care with no out of pocket expense?"....Gee I wonder what the answer to that would be. Christ, you people are living in a parallel universe.
Newsflash..The people support socialized medicine are the ones who've already been told it won;t cost them a dime. They have also been told "don't worry, the rich will pay for it.
Here's another newsflash....Both parties need funding to run n and win elections. Based on that, as long as there are laws which protect the rights of the well monied to participate in the political process, there will not be any change.
It is not corporate donations or influence that keeps people from voting the way they do, it is the economy. If the economy is going well, voters are happy and they vote incumbent. A down economy has voters blaming the party of the President. That is the way it has always been. Did it ever occur to you why Obama is looking so desperate? His so called Jobs bill, the calling of the Congress to assembly to hear him speak, the deal with student loans and now the latest campaign move, the executive order...Obama knows he is in the big water with the voters. If the economy, jobs and housing market do not improve the voters will blame Obama. That's the way it has always been. And this time will be no different.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

By Jordan Howard

WASHINGTON -- A new survey sponsored by a Democratic super PAC reveals that several Republican-held House seats could be competitive next year as Democrats look to gain 25 seats to take back the House of Representatives.

The poll, conducted by Public Policy Polling on behalf of the Democratic super PAC, "House Majority PAC," shows 12 Republican incumbents in a vulnerable position heading into their reelection campaigns: fewer than 50 percent of voters in their districts would vote to reelect them.

"These polls illustrate that Republican incumbents running in swing districts across the country are in serious trouble and Republican control of the House is in serious jeopardy," House Majority PAC Executive Director Alixandria Lapp said in a press release.

More: Republican House Majority Vulnerable In 2012: Poll

Ok, a survey by Democrat SuperPAC posted on the Huff 'n Puff Post?

That's rich.

 

[thereisnospoon]

In spite of the efforts of house republicans, economic recovery appears to be accelerating. Each uptick in the economy is a nail in the Republican coffin.

That's your opinion.
Tell that bullshit to the 15 million people who are out of work, underemployed or working part time temporary. THAT is Obama's legacy.
Unlike you lefties, the rest of us do not look to government to do things for us. We want government the hell out of our way. Businesses do not expand and consumers do not open their wallets on the say so of some new government program. They do these things when they are confident government IS NOT going to come up with some new program.
Do you really think Obama's latest spending scheme( jobs bill which is just another stimulus) is going to make a significant difference in the economy or unemployment or the housing market? Are you really that naive?
Obama is in full campaign mode. First it's this silly tax inc....oops, jobs bill. Then he panders to college students and grads who are whining like little brats that they can't pay off their student loans. Well boo fucking hoo hoo. Everyone else before them did it. Even in poor economic times. There was no student bail out. Again, Obama using the Office of POTUS in full campaign mode. Now Obama is threatening the Congress and the American people with his pen. He has had it with everyone and he's putting his foot down. The AKOTUS is BACK....Yes the Ass Kicker in Chief is going to leave no stone unturned. He will have his attorneys find every loophole in the federal law and the US Constitution that allows him with the stroke of a pen to change the entire country.
Just who the fuck does this guy think he is.
With the first unpopular executive order, it is the end of any chance Obama has of winning a second term. Americans do not like being backed into a corner. They do not like feeling powerless. And a president that acts unilaterally and without the consent of Congress will make them feel powerless. And that will make them angry.
You lefties yelled a collective "Yippie" when Obama made the announcement he was going to rule by executive order. Be careful what you wish for. NO one ,I mean no one gets things their own way all the time. If they do, they will eventually pay for it. And that payback is usually very very unpleasant.

And that's your opinion. There is a time for austerity in government and there is a time for government stimulus. When the economy is expanding rapidly, we should cut government spending. Only a fool would argue for massive cuts in government spending when we have massive unemployment.

HUH?!!! Government only impedes the private sector. Government spending and tax increases during a down economy creates more debt and deficit. Unreal.
The reason why the economy is in this state is BECAUSE of government.
I must ask...What makes you think government needs to spend more (even though in a down economy it is taking in less revenue) in poor economic times and how that can positively affect the private sector?

 

[thereisnospoon]

In spite of the efforts of house republicans, economic recovery appears to be accelerating. Each uptick in the economy is a nail in the Republican coffin.

That's your opinion.
Tell that bullshit to the 15 million people who are out of work, underemployed or working part time temporary. THAT is Obama's legacy.
Unlike you lefties, the rest of us do not look to government to do things for us. We want government the hell out of our way. Businesses do not expand and consumers do not open their wallets on the say so of some new government program. They do these things when they are confident government IS NOT going to come up with some new program.
Do you really think Obama's latest spending scheme( jobs bill which is just another stimulus) is going to make a significant difference in the economy or unemployment or the housing market? Are you really that naive?
Obama is in full campaign mode. First it's this silly tax inc....oops, jobs bill. Then he panders to college students and grads who are whining like little brats that they can't pay off their student loans. Well boo fucking hoo hoo. Everyone else before them did it. Even in poor economic times. There was no student bail out. Again, Obama using the Office of POTUS in full campaign mode. Now Obama is threatening the Congress and the American people with his pen. He has had it with everyone and he's putting his foot down. The AKOTUS is BACK....Yes the Ass Kicker in Chief is going to leave no stone unturned. He will have his attorneys find every loophole in the federal law and the US Constitution that allows him with the stroke of a pen to change the entire country.
Just who the fuck does this guy think he is.
With the first unpopular executive order, it is the end of any chance Obama has of winning a second term. Americans do not like being backed into a corner. They do not like feeling powerless. And a president that acts unilaterally and without the consent of Congress will make them feel powerless. And that will make them angry.
You lefties yelled a collective "Yippie" when Obama made the announcement he was going to rule by executive order. Be careful what you wish for. NO one ,I mean no one gets things their own way all the time. If they do, they will eventually pay for it. And that payback is usually very very unpleasant.

And that's your opinion. There is a time for austerity in government and there is a time for government stimulus. When the economy is expanding rapidly, we should cut government spending. Only a fool would argue for massive cuts in government spending when we have massive unemployment.

These are FACTS.

 

[Dragon]

Question....If the majority of people kept themselves informed what then would be the use of polls?.

Same use as now, only the people would be even further to the left.

You have an opinion that you crafted based on this poll. Essentially the poll results told you what to think.

Wrong. I do happen to agree with the majority of the people on all of those issues, but that's not WHY I agree with them. I support a single-payer plan because I know that it will lower health care costs across the board and provide universal coverage in a way that Obamacare will not. I know this because most advanced nations other than the U.S. already have a single payer plan and they work beautifully.

I believe we need to narrow income gaps not only because people are suffering and it would be fair, but also because doing so would cause the economy itself to perform better by increasing consumer demand. Most people aren't aware of how that works, but I am.

So no, my opinions don't come from polls, except my opinions as to what the people think, where polls are a good source of data.

After the 2010 elections, democrats and liberals were shocked over losing a combined 600 seats to the GOP taking into account for federal and state contests. There were two or three polls commissioned to find out just what went wrong. The polls all signified that about 20% of the respondents identified themselves as Liberal.

May as well stop there. First of all, you have the timing way wrong. Those polls on self-identification by ideology are much older than that and significantly predate the 2010 election. I know because I have had discussions with them on other forums that took place long before that election.

The problem here is that asking people to label themselves is usually not a good way to know where they really stand. If you ask people issue questions, what you find is that many people who don't call themselves liberals actually are liberal. Or, as I put it in that other discussion, liberals outnumber self-identified liberals by more than two to one.

It really doesn't matter what a person chooses to call himself. What matters is what policies he would support. Judged that way, the country at present is in a progressive mood on the economy. Not too surprising, considering the shape things are in. When the economy's in a shambles, when the rich are flying high and corporate profits are soaring while ordinary people are hurting, economic conservatism is not a winning brand.

Here's a 20% figure that has more significance. Just slightly more than that is the percentage of the electorate who voted Republican in 2010. That's because that election had a 41% voter turnout.

I want you to prove your claim that the majority of us are "substantially to the left of the democrats"...Umm one thing that stops that theory in it's tracks is if that were true, election of conservative candidates would be almost impossible.

I've partly proven the claim above, and provided other evidence elsewhere; I'm not going to go look it up again just for you. I will explain the fallacy in your argument by election, though. The problem here is that the Democrats, like the Republicans, are corrupt and on the take from corporate campaign cash. As a result, truly progressive positions on the issues are seldom offered at the polls. We do not have a real democracy anymore. We have a plutocracy that offers artificial choices between the Democrats, who are economically right of center and socially moderate to liberal, and the Republicans who are far to the right across the board. Given that choice, progressive voters tend to stay home. That's how conservative candidates can be elected and indeed it's how they WERE elected last year.

Of course, there's also the fact that House elections are local, and there are conservative Congressional districts, so even if that problem is fixed there will still be SOME conservatives elected.

When it seems like the voters are being offered a genuinely progressive choice, though, as happened in 2008, the Democrats can win big. Unfortunately, that offering was an illusion; Obama was a huge disappointment and the Democrats even with big majorities in Congress failed to deliver.

BTW, WHAT is father to the left of the democrats?

The policies that the American people want on the economy are not being advocated or campaigned on by most Democrats, definitely not by the president. I didn't mean there was a third party or something, although of course there is (the Greens for example).

Here's another newsflash....Both parties need funding to run n and win elections. Based on that, as long as there are laws which protect the rights of the well monied to participate in the political process, there will not be any change.

That doesn't follow. There are three ways those laws could be undone. One is by pressuring the Democrats to move against the corporate donors. That's being tried now. The second is through a Constitutional convention to amend the Constitution so those laws no longer apply in the way they do. That will be the second attempt, I predict, if this fails.

The third is revolution.

One way or another, the plutocracy will not endure. But I don't know if it will fall in next year's election.

 

[Flopper]

Government spending and tax increases during a down economy creates more debt and deficit.

Yes, government spending does increase debt but it also makes possible the increase in demand for consumer goods and demand for more employees to meet consumer demand. A tax increase may either lower or increase the deficit depending on the type of tax and the reaction of the taxpayer.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Question....If the majority of people kept themselves informed what then would be the use of polls?.

Same use as now, only the people would be even further to the left.

You have an opinion that you crafted based on this poll. Essentially the poll results told you what to think.

Wrong. I do happen to agree with the majority of the people on all of those issues, but that's not WHY I agree with them. I support a single-payer plan because I know that it will lower health care costs across the board and provide universal coverage in a way that Obamacare will not. I know this because most advanced nations other than the U.S. already have a single payer plan and they work beautifully.

I believe we need to narrow income gaps not only because people are suffering and it would be fair, but also because doing so would cause the economy itself to perform better by increasing consumer demand. Most people aren't aware of how that works, but I am.

So no, my opinions don't come from polls, except my opinions as to what the people think, where polls are a good source of data.



May as well stop there. First of all, you have the timing way wrong. Those polls on self-identification by ideology are much older than that and significantly predate the 2010 election. I know because I have had discussions with them on other forums that took place long before that election.

The problem here is that asking people to label themselves is usually not a good way to know where they really stand. If you ask people issue questions, what you find is that many people who don't call themselves liberals actually are liberal. Or, as I put it in that other discussion, liberals outnumber self-identified liberals by more than two to one.

It really doesn't matter what a person chooses to call himself. What matters is what policies he would support. Judged that way, the country at present is in a progressive mood on the economy. Not too surprising, considering the shape things are in. When the economy's in a shambles, when the rich are flying high and corporate profits are soaring while ordinary people are hurting, economic conservatism is not a winning brand.

Here's a 20% figure that has more significance. Just slightly more than that is the percentage of the electorate who voted Republican in 2010. That's because that election had a 41% voter turnout.



I've partly proven the claim above, and provided other evidence elsewhere; I'm not going to go look it up again just for you. I will explain the fallacy in your argument by election, though. The problem here is that the Democrats, like the Republicans, are corrupt and on the take from corporate campaign cash. As a result, truly progressive positions on the issues are seldom offered at the polls. We do not have a real democracy anymore. We have a plutocracy that offers artificial choices between the Democrats, who are economically right of center and socially moderate to liberal, and the Republicans who are far to the right across the board. Given that choice, progressive voters tend to stay home. That's how conservative candidates can be elected and indeed it's how they WERE elected last year.

Of course, there's also the fact that House elections are local, and there are conservative Congressional districts, so even if that problem is fixed there will still be SOME conservatives elected.

When it seems like the voters are being offered a genuinely progressive choice, though, as happened in 2008, the Democrats can win big. Unfortunately, that offering was an illusion; Obama was a huge disappointment and the Democrats even with big majorities in Congress failed to deliver.

BTW, WHAT is father to the left of the democrats?

The policies that the American people want on the economy are not being advocated or campaigned on by most Democrats, definitely not by the president. I didn't mean there was a third party or something, although of course there is (the Greens for example).

Here's another newsflash....Both parties need funding to run n and win elections. Based on that, as long as there are laws which protect the rights of the well monied to participate in the political process, there will not be any change.

That doesn't follow. There are three ways those laws could be undone. One is by pressuring the Democrats to move against the corporate donors. That's being tried now. The second is through a Constitutional convention to amend the Constitution so those laws no longer apply in the way they do. That will be the second attempt, I predict, if this fails.

The third is revolution.

One way or another, the plutocracy will not endure. But I don't know if it will fall in next year's election.

This is a conservative country. It will never move any farther to the left.
The majority of which people?
IN what way would single payer lower prices? Do you think the costs of care will suddenly vanish? In the Western European socialized medicine countries costs are contained by essentially having the government be the employer of every medical professional by setting prices that can be charged for treatment. The governments have bureaucracies which dispense life or death decisions based on raw numbers. Cancer patients with rarre but treatable cancers are denied treatment. Older people who are retired or no longer as productive are denied care for things that we here in the US consider routine. Today, my father who is in his late 70's just had surgery to remove cancerous lesions. He will make a full recovery. In the UK he would have been told to get his affairs in order.
Those WE socialized medicine countries are trying to figure out how to sustain their systems under the crushing weight of rising costs.
Those are the results of single payer. Single payer is supported by extremely high taxes with half the population getting free treatment with no responsibility.
Look, the desire for government to by law render the largess of others is pure greed. Yes, GREED.
Single payer may seem like a good idea to you and those like you because it won;t cost YOU anything, but for the rest of us, it's a financial disaster.
Page Not Found so the poll did predate the election. The election results of 2010 were accurate in that the numbers reflected the Nov 2010 results. Your point?
41% voter turnout..And who's fault is THAT?....If you don't bother to vote, you have no right to an opinion and no right to bitch. By mentioning voter turnout as a reason for democrat defeats you are implying "well if we really wanted to re-elect our people we could have. We just didn't show up to help"...Uh huh. More excuses than the South has Kudzu. Why is it you libs cannot accept responsibility for your faults.
This county is not a democracy. It is a representative republic. A true democracy is strict majority rule. That would squash the rights of the minority 100% of the time.

 

[rightwinger]

. This is a conservative country. It will never move any farther to the left

You mean like allowing gay marriage?

Ten years ago it would gave been unheard of......now, most Americans support it

 

[Lakhota]

. This is a conservative country. It will never move any farther to the left

You mean like allowing gay marriage?

Ten years ago it would gave been unheard of......now, most Americans support it

America is clearly moving to the left.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Government spending and tax increases during a down economy creates more debt and deficit.

Yes, government spending does increase debt but it also makes possible the increase in demand for consumer goods and demand for more employees to meet consumer demand. A tax increase may either lower or increase the deficit depending on the type of tax and the reaction of the taxpayer.

Where do you get this stuff from?
Government spending has nothing to do with consumer demand. Government spending removes wealth from the private sector. The return on the confiscation never turns back to the economy. Oh, government hiring may create a few more consumers, but in reality, government is not hiring people that were previously unemployed at the time of hire. So government normally does not create NEW jobs. It simply takes workers from the private sector and places them in the public sector.
New taxes invariably cause a negative reaction from the private sector.
I cannot believe you people are so programmed to worship at the altar of big government.

 

[FactFinder]

Poll: Republican House Majority Vulnerable In 2012

i WOULD HAVE TO AGREE. ESPECIALLY AFTER THE BULLCRAP bOEHNER CAME OUT WITH TODAY. lOOK IT UP. and mind you I actually like Boehner as a person. I just don't think he belongs in Congress. Want a beer?

 

[SAT]

The current crop of Democrats are anything but extreme liberals. They're hardly even liberals.

 

[SAT]

Government spending naturally spurs the private economy. It's been pointed out, correctly, that food stamps issued by the government do a great deal for a struggling economy. The money goes right into the hands of private business-grocery stores-which is then used to pay their private employees, etc.