[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[PMZ]

Bri, honey, you are never going to convince this dingleberry that the State is not God and does not own by divine right everything as far as the eye can see, including him. He doesn't even possess the necessary mental reference points to compute the idea, so you two aren't speaking the same language and never will. Some people are just born to be chattel, and will insist on being chattel no matter how hard you try to make them free.

Back off on the bottle.

Hit a little too close to home, eh PMS?

I recognize the symptoms having heard from my share of sufferers.

 

[bripat9643]

Back off on the bottle.

Hit a little too close to home, eh PMS?

I recognize the symptoms having heard from my share of sufferers.

No, she displays no "symptoms." You're obviously just a spiteful, resentful little putz.

 

[PMZ]

Hit a little too close to home, eh PMS?

I recognize the symptoms having heard from my share of sufferers.

No, she displays no "symptoms." You're obviously just a spitefully, resentful little putz.

Another what you wish was true. You are a slow learner of the fact that you aren't entitled to the truth. It is what it is, not what you want it to be. Tough lesson.

Keep working on it.

 

[bripat9643]

I recognize the symptoms having heard from my share of sufferers.

No, she displays no "symptoms." You're obviously just a spitefully, resentful little putz.

Another what you wish was true. You are a slow learner of the fact that you aren't entitled to the truth. It is what it is, not what you want it to be. Tough lesson.

Keep working on it.

You're posts are all so ironic.

 

[PMZ]

No, she displays no "symptoms." You're obviously just a spitefully, resentful little putz.

Another what you wish was true. You are a slow learner of the fact that you aren't entitled to the truth. It is what it is, not what you want it to be. Tough lesson.

Keep working on it.

You're posts are all so ironic.

Yours so idiotic.

 

[bripat9643]

Another what you wish was true. You are a slow learner of the fact that you aren't entitled to the truth. It is what it is, not what you want it to be. Tough lesson.

Keep working on it.

You're posts are all so ironic.

Yours so idiotic.

More irony.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You only have to pay US taxes if you live here.

You apparently think that you have to pay US taxes even if you don't live here?

I'm curious. Where did that idea come from?

US Taxes While Living Abroad FAQ :: American Citizens Abroad (ACA)

I am an American living and working abroad. Do I need to file a US tax return?

Regardless of where you live now, being a United States citizen requires that you file a yearly tax return with the IRS.

You were really stupid enough to think the US government was going to take its sticky little fingers out of people's pockets JUST because they moved?

 

[Gadawg73]

I happen to believe that redistributing money from the wealthy and transferring to others is unAmerican.

I like the idea of going somewhere like Canada and redistributing their money to all of us equally.
That would be "fair".

 

[PMZ]

You apparently think that you have to pay US taxes even if you don't live here?

I'm curious. Where did that idea come from?

US Taxes While Living Abroad FAQ :: American Citizens Abroad (ACA)

I am an American living and working abroad. Do I need to file a US tax return?

Regardless of where you live now, being a United States citizen requires that you file a yearly tax return with the IRS.

You were really stupid enough to think the US government was going to take its sticky little fingers out of people's pockets JUST because they moved?

Filing a tax return is not paying a tax.

 

[PMZ]

I happen to believe that redistributing money from the wealthy and transferring to others is unAmerican.

I like the idea of going somewhere like Canada and redistributing their money to all of us equally.
That would be "fair".

So, you believe that wealth redistribution should be up only?

 

[dcraelin]

For 35 years there have been polls on 'what do you think taxes ought to be?' Large majorities have held that the corporations and the wealthy should pay higher taxes.

Yet taxes have been going down in this same period, and debt has been going up. Our government needs to start listening to the public

 

[bripat9643]

For 35 years there have been polls on 'what do you think taxes ought to be?' Large majorities have held that the corporations and the wealthy should pay higher taxes.

Yet taxes have been going down in this same period, and debt has been going up. Our government needs to start listening to the public

When asked how much a person should pay in taxes, those same people said "10%."

So much for your claim that people want anyone's taxes raised.

 

[dcraelin]

For 35 years there have been polls on 'what do you think taxes ought to be?' Large majorities have held that the corporations and the wealthy should pay higher taxes.

Yet taxes have been going down in this same period, and debt has been going up. Our government needs to start listening to the public

When asked how much a person should pay in taxes, those same people said "10%."

So much for your claim that people want anyone's taxes raised.

I think you just made that up.

However I think I once saw once how if the richest 20% just paid 5% more the bottom 80% would have to pay NO income taxes at all. (to stay revenue neutral). Doing that would greatly simplify the job of the IRS and make a lot of people very happy.

 

[Indeependent]

One out of every four MNCs doesn't pay taxes.
But that's not the biggest issue if they want Chinese and Indian slave labor both in Asia and as business-visas here in the US.
The first question is the acceptable quality of infrastructure and it's accompanying costs.

 

[bripat9643]

For 35 years there have been polls on 'what do you think taxes ought to be?' Large majorities have held that the corporations and the wealthy should pay higher taxes.

Yet taxes have been going down in this same period, and debt has been going up. Our government needs to start listening to the public

When asked how much a person should pay in taxes, those same people said "10%."

So much for your claim that people want anyone's taxes raised.

I think you just made that up.

However I think I once saw once how if the richest 20% just paid 5% more the bottom 80% would have to pay NO income taxes at all. (to stay revenue neutral). Doing that would greatly simplify the job of the IRS and make a lot of people very happy.

47% already pay no income taxes, and that has taught them that there is no cost to government. I think that's a bad lesson to teach people. Why shouldn't they all pay taxes?

Once again the liberal demonstrates beyond all doubt that he supports other people paying taxes, not himself.

Liberalism is hypocrisy made into an ideology.

 

[Indeependent]

When asked how much a person should pay in taxes, those same people said "10%."

So much for your claim that people want anyone's taxes raised.

I think you just made that up.

However I think I once saw once how if the richest 20% just paid 5% more the bottom 80% would have to pay NO income taxes at all. (to stay revenue neutral). Doing that would greatly simplify the job of the IRS and make a lot of people very happy.

47% already pay no income taxes, and that has taught them that there is no cost to government. I think that's a bad lesson to teach people. Why shouldn't they all pay taxes?

Once again the liberal demonstrates beyond all doubt that he supports other people paying taxes, not himself.

Liberalism is hypocrisy made into an ideology.

Yawn! In fact, double yawn.
Once again...
One out of every four MNCs doesn't pay taxes.
But that's not the biggest issue if they want Chinese and Indian slave labor both in Asia and as business-visas here in the US.
The first question is the acceptable quality of infrastructure and it's accompanying costs.

 

[bripat9643]

I think you just made that up.

However I think I once saw once how if the richest 20% just paid 5% more the bottom 80% would have to pay NO income taxes at all. (to stay revenue neutral). Doing that would greatly simplify the job of the IRS and make a lot of people very happy.

47% already pay no income taxes, and that has taught them that there is no cost to government. I think that's a bad lesson to teach people. Why shouldn't they all pay taxes?

Once again the liberal demonstrates beyond all doubt that he supports other people paying taxes, not himself.

Liberalism is hypocrisy made into an ideology.

Yawn! In fact, double yawn.
Once again...
One out of every four MNCs doesn't pay taxes.

That's probably because they made no profits. However, this discussion is about individual income taxes, not corporate taxes. The bottom line is that corporations don't pay taxes. Only people pay taxes.

But that's not the biggest issue if they want Chinese and Indian slave labor both in Asia and as business-visas here in the US.

Huh? Was that supposed to communicate something?

The first question is the acceptable quality of infrastructure and it's accompanying costs.

That vast bulk of taxation goes to pay for transfer payments, not infrastructure, so that claim is a red herring.

 

[ShawnChris13]

I keep hearing liberals say day after day, "the rich need to pay their fair share!"

But when asked how much the "fair share" actually is, they have no idea and never come out with a specific number. Others just beat around the bush and talk about periods in our history when top marginal tax rates were in the 90% range (even though nobody ever paid that rate), but say that's not really what they want. Maybe out of fear they'll get called communists.

Anyways, I thought I'd put an end to the confusion once and for all with this poll.

Liberals, what should be the "fair share" the rich have to pay in taxes?

Conservatives, feel free to chime in as well.

If anything I think this thread has proven that "fair share" is undebatable as there is no true consensus. Those who believe 10-15% is fair for everyone are cried greedy by those who wish to take 30-60% (which apparently isn't greedy).

Fair share is in the eye of the beholder it would seem, and those at the lowest brackets that feel disadvantaged will continue to cry for those with advantage, luck, or high work ethic to pay a higher percentage out of spite. All the while it is ignored that the government is receiving these moneys. With their high salaries and expensive vacations, those earning money from the taxpayer are all too eager to raise the taxes in order to find more of their 'programs'. They only project ten years down the road in order to muddy the waters we swim in. And we swim straight into the trap we never see.

 

[Indeependent]

47% already pay no income taxes, and that has taught them that there is no cost to government. I think that's a bad lesson to teach people. Why shouldn't they all pay taxes?

Once again the liberal demonstrates beyond all doubt that he supports other people paying taxes, not himself.

Liberalism is hypocrisy made into an ideology.

Yawn! In fact, double yawn.
Once again...
One out of every four MNCs doesn't pay taxes.

That's probably because they made no profits. However, this discussion is about individual income taxes, not corporate taxes. The bottom line is that corporations don't pay taxes. Only people pay taxes.

But that's not the biggest issue if they want Chinese and Indian slave labor both in Asia and as business-visas here in the US.

Huh? Was that supposed to communicate something?

The first question is the acceptable quality of infrastructure and it's accompanying costs.

That vast bulk of taxation goes to pay for transfer payments, not infrastructure, so that claim is a red herring.

You understand nothing because you're probably making a fortune from off-shoring and the rampant use of business visas that are replacing Americans en masse.

In terms of "fair taxation", taxation without cost accounting and auditing is wasteful.
Taxation is needed to maintain an infrastructure, but when a large corporation abandons the US, it feels it need not contribute to infrastructure.

So good, let the MNCs provide their own TSA and military escorts for their shipments from China to the US; not to mention patent protection and other services.

 

[bripat9643]

Yawn! In fact, double yawn.
Once again...
One out of every four MNCs doesn't pay taxes.

That's probably because they made no profits. However, this discussion is about individual income taxes, not corporate taxes. The bottom line is that corporations don't pay taxes. Only people pay taxes.



Huh? Was that supposed to communicate something?

The first question is the acceptable quality of infrastructure and it's accompanying costs.

That vast bulk of taxation goes to pay for transfer payments, not infrastructure, so that claim is a red herring.

You understand nothing because you're probably making a fortune from off-shoring and the rampant use of business visas that are replacing Americans en masse.

What the heck is a "business visa?" I think you mean an H1-B. I don't make a dime off of them.

In terms of "fair taxation", taxation without cost accounting and auditing is wasteful. Taxation is needed to maintain an infrastructure, but when a large corporation abandons the US, it feels it need not contribute to infrastructure.

Most taxation goes to pay ticks on the ass of society. Very little goes to infrastructure. When a corporation leaves the United States, it doesn't use U.S. infrastructure. So why should it pay for it? As for "cost accounting and auditing," what does that have to do with this discussion?

So good, let the MNCs provide their own TSA and military escorts for their shipments from China to the US; not to mention patent protection and other services.

That would probably be 1/10th the cost of paying for all the ticks on the ass of society like they do now.